Re: Java or HTML

From: tim@leaphome.pelican.org (Tim Franklin)

Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Henry Penninkilampi <spamfree@metropolis.net.au> wrote:
>In article <slrn7tmssc.832.tim@leaphome.pelican.org>,
>tim@leaphome.pelican.org (Tim Franklin) wrote:
>
>> >Java applets are compiled (using commercial software) into bytecode which
>>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Why?  Java is under an almost-free-but-not-quite license in the sense of
>> free speech, and is free in the sense of free beer.  You can download the
>> JDK for Solaris and Windows (and others?) from Sun, and for Linux from
>> java.blackdown.org.
>>
>> There *are* commercial Java development tools, but they're not *required*.
>
>Yeah, technically you're right.  But when over 95% of the compilers for
>95% of desktops (Win/Mac) are commercial, and the rest are crap or
>crippled, I think a generalisation is allowable, don't you?

Nope.  They're not.  The JDK javac is the reference compiler, it's free,
it's the closest thing to the 'official' Java compiler, and it's neither crap
nor crippled.  The JDK *is* Java.  *Everything* else is optional.

>
>Rather than encourage someone to seek out a free and marginalised
>compiler, with which he'd undoubtedly have problems, I made a judgement
>call and started preparing him for the fact that if he wants to do serious
>Java development, then he's gonna have to buy commercial software.

JDK javac is in no way marginal.  It's a reference 'standard'.

>>
>> Treat HTML as a markup language, not as a page description language, and
>> you'll get reasonable results everywhere.
>
>Treat HTML as a markup language, not as a page description language, and
>you won't have a chance of building a successful games site.  Guess what
>he's trying to do?  Build a games site.

He could write the game in Java, not HTML, and go for delivering content, not
eye candy.

I know it's a way-out idea for the web, but by the fact that Usenet still
exists, there has to be *some* market for content[0] out there...

Regards,
Tim.

[0]  Yes, I fully appreciate how shite the signal:noise ratio on Usenet is
since September, but it's about the furthest thing I can think of from the
singing, dancing, modem-crunching, 99.9~% crap web.

References

Java or HTML
Sam Palmer <Sam@Bitton.homeway.demon.co.uk>
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
graham@DELETETHISaffordable-leather.co.uk
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
spamfree@metropolis.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
tim@leaphome.pelican.org (Tim Franklin)
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
spamfree@metropolis.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Referenced By

Java or HTML
Sam Palmer <Sam@Bitton.homeway.demon.co.uk>
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
graham@DELETETHISaffordable-leather.co.uk
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
spamfree@metropolis.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
tim@leaphome.pelican.org (Tim Franklin)
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
spamfree@metropolis.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)
Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000