Re: Java or HTML

From: spamfree@metropolis.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)

Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000

In article <slrn7tmssc.832.tim@leaphome.pelican.org>,
tim@leaphome.pelican.org (Tim Franklin) wrote:

> >Java applets are compiled (using commercial software) into bytecode which
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why?  Java is under an almost-free-but-not-quite license in the sense of
> free speech, and is free in the sense of free beer.  You can download the
> JDK for Solaris and Windows (and others?) from Sun, and for Linux from
> java.blackdown.org.
>
> There *are* commercial Java development tools, but they're not *required*.

Yeah, technically you're right.  But when over 95% of the compilers for
95% of desktops (Win/Mac) are commercial, and the rest are crap or
crippled, I think a generalisation is allowable, don't you?

Rather than encourage someone to seek out a free and marginalised
compiler, with which he'd undoubtedly have problems, I made a judgement
call and started preparing him for the fact that if he wants to do serious
Java development, then he's gonna have to buy commercial software.

(The headers in his post did not suggest he was posting from a
Solaris/Linux box, in which case my answer would have been different -
probably more like yours.)

> >Forget mastery at this point.  Until Microsoft and Netscape start building
> >browsers that comply to (W3C) standards, you'll spend far more of your
> >time (and lose far more of your hair) ironing out incompatibilities which
> >makes your code crash browsers or just look plain crappy on partial
> >subsets thereof.
>
> Treat HTML as a markup language, not as a page description language, and
> you'll get reasonable results everywhere.

Treat HTML as a markup language, not as a page description language, and
you won't have a chance of building a successful games site.  Guess what
he's trying to do?  Build a games site.

Henry.

References

Java or HTML
Sam Palmer <Sam@Bitton.homeway.demon.co.uk>
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
graham@DELETETHISaffordable-leather.co.uk
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
spamfree@metropolis.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
tim@leaphome.pelican.org (Tim Franklin)
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Referenced By

Java or HTML
Sam Palmer <Sam@Bitton.homeway.demon.co.uk>
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
graham@DELETETHISaffordable-leather.co.uk
Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
spamfree@metropolis.net.au (Henry Penninkilampi)
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Java or HTML
tim@leaphome.pelican.org (Tim Franklin)
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:00 +0000