Re: stat trains

From: ccs012@yogi.ucdavis.edu (Riff-Raff)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1992 11:21:02 +0000

In article <1992Mar6.232538.5265@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum) writes:
>Now, from what I gather from Riff-Raff's argument he says the first 3 trains
>are at normal rates.  Wrong!  The very first stat train is at 100%, then the
>next one is halved, the next one is halved after that.  So a warrior training

You didn't quote my article, so I don't remember exactly what I said, but
I think I referred to it as the normal chance, i.e. WL*5.  Thus, a 20 WL
character would have a 100% chance of raising a stat on the first try,
50% the second try, 25% the third try, and so on...

>the next time, a 25% chance the 3rd time, etc...  When you reach AD, the first
>3 trains are at 100%, then halved every time thereafter.

If you mean 100% as in, WL * 5, then yes it's true.  If you mean 100% as
in you always gets your first three trains in AD, then no you're not.  I've
missed quite a few trains in AD. My first waste there had a 17 WL, and
couldn't get his CN from 14 (original) to 17 in AD, even though hehad
trained it to 16 in regular DM.

>This system allows
>characters with will's above 20 to get six stat raises on average in AD.
>Example, my 18 WL tp raised his ST 2 times in regular DM, then had no problem
>at all raising his ST 3 consecutive fights in AD.  Extremely lucky, not!

Extremely lucky?  How much luck do you need?  An 18 WL means that hehad
a 90% base chance of getting his first three stat raises, which he got.
His next train was at 45% (almost 1 in 2) and his last train at 22.5%
(about 1 in 4).  So, looking at it, he had a 1 in 8 chance or so of getting
5 stat raises in a row.  I would call those good enough odds to account
for his "extreme luck."

>It's very rare that you see regular DM characters raising stats 3 times before
>they go to AD for this very reason.  Another example, before I understood the
>rule, I had a 17 WL lunger try to raise ST a 3rd time.  Theoretically, if you
>follow Riff-Raff's argument, he had an 85% chance to raise it.

Not unless you got the terms mixed up.  AD means Advanced Duelmasters,
and DM means simply Duelmasters (the Basic game).  I did my best to
distinguish between the two systems.  I guess I didn't distinguish
clearly enough.

In DM (Basic Duelmasters): (WL*5)/number of raises
In ADM (Adv. Game): If number of raises <= 3
	WL * 5
else
	(WL*5)/number of raises - 2

Hope this clears up any confusion,

Trump

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stat trains
sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum)
Fri, 06 Mar 1992 23:25:38 +0000

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stat trains
sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum)
Fri, 06 Mar 1992 23:25:38 +0000