Re: 2 more rollups

From: crip@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Garth Werner)

Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 09:30:39 +0000

itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes:

> In article <186231@pyramid.pyramid.com> khearn@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Keith
> I would go...
>
>             PR
> ST 10 + 1 = 11
> CN 13 + 0 = 13
> SZ  6 + 0 =  6
> WT 16 + 1 = 17
> WL  8 + 1 =  9
> SP  8 + 5 = 13
> DF  9 + 6 = 15
>
> I don't often go around telling people to make PR's, but this roll-up
> pretty much screams it out loud.
>
> 11 strength is enough for *all* the PR weapons.  How many styles can say
> 	that?
>
> 13 con will make him survivable, allow him to take a couple lunger hits,
> 	and even give a bit of extra endurance against TPs.  Not nec-
> 	essary, but nice to have when you can get it.
>
> 6 size is perfect.  You can still get great damage, you get defensive
> 	bonuses, and you don't fall down *every* time you get hit.
>
> 17 wit is okay.  21 would be better, but I happen to believe that a high
> 	speed is necessary for rippers.  In the long run, a higher speed
> 	is better, since a 17 wit is easily trainable to 25 in AD.
>
> 9 will is pretty good for rippers, who conserve endurance well.  You can
> 	take down TPs in 6-7 minutes with 5 attacks/min, so you don't need
> 	ungodly endurance, and those fights vs. lungers usually last about
> 	30 seconds, or 3 minutes.  Guess which one you win. :)
>
> 13 speed is essential for riposting and dodging.  Rippers always try to
> 	riposte anyway, so why not facilitate it?  It helps with defending
> 	the defend location, with decisiveness, and with with the dodge.
> 	Combined, these can make a very deadly ripper indeed.
>
> 15 deftness is barebones minimum.  Usually, I prefer a 17, but in this
> 	case the rest of the roll-up looks good enough to overcome this
> 	initial problem.

I don't mean to stab you in the back or anything, your advice
here is pretty much right on the money, but there are some subtle points
which you made that I think will essentially weaken this character.  Once
again, this is my opinion, but the PR's I've run who fit my criteria, but
fall outside of yours have records of approx (55-31 in Primus, 53-33 in
Primus, 45-22 Primus eligible, 27-17-1 in Home Guard and 9-3 still
floating in regular)

The basic beef I have is with the requirement for speed.  It is
not required for a PR.  As you know, he is going to riposte, you can't
avoid it, so use the points on other areas.   You may not improve his
skill base, but you will improve him.  My belief is that Speed should be
between 5 and 9 for a PR, although my highest is 7 in the above mentioned
group.  Now those 5 points that were added should be taken off (IMO) and
redistributed.  A 21 Wit would be nice, but to be honest, the only 21 WT
PR I've ever run ended up croaking.  The wit should give you improved
skill learning thus a better warrior once he has about 10 fights under
his belt, but it will make it more risky for you in the short term.
Where I think the points should go is onto the will, at least 4 more onto
will.  This will NOT improve his skill base, infact those will points
give a total of 0 skills, but it will improve your warriors
characteristics for dueling.  His endurance will be better, and he is
more apt to shake off those hits from the lungers without simply calling
it quits (Very important for a PR, for despite having Parry in the name,
is not a skill they are overly adept with).  Your extra point could then
be added to the area of your choice, and in this case I do think going up
to a 9 Spd outweighs the benefits of a 14 Will.

Just my passing thoughts.

Crip
        Hiding on and off in 8,39,44,45,47,50,52,54,73,100,101,102 and
106 when it opens.

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Re: 2 more rollups
itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump)
Fri, 23 Apr 1993 17:55:08 +0000