Re: BSE-L Digest 24

From: markg@anshar.shadow.net (Mark G.)

Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 20:33:53 +0000

Kerry Harrison (kerry@freeside.fc.net) wrote:
: Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List  <BSE-L@consensus.com>

: 			    BSE-L Digest 24

: Topics covered in this issue include:

:   1) Re: Messed up reports
: 	by mhughes@pms144.pms.ford.com (Mark Hughes)
:   2) News Flash
: 	by Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
:   3) Starship Revisited
: 	by Jim Gagliardi <73377.2042@compuserve.com>
:   4) Re: Starship Revisited
: 	by Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
:   5) Quman Debree...er...zhipz
: 	by "NARD'ZARD'ZHOK" <74551.3412@compuserve.com>
:   6) ICN Sunrise - Market
: 	by v176@rex.uokhsc.edu (Todd D. Clapp)
:   7) Re: Quman Debree...er...zhipz
: 	by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
:   8) Re: BSE-L digest 23
: 	by Wayne Alexander <71470.344@compuserve.com>
:   9) Re: BSE-L digest 20
: 	by StephMarte@aol.com
:  10) Re: News Flash
: 	by Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>

: ----------------------------------------------------------------------

: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 7:46:57 EST
: From: mhughes@pms144.pms.ford.com (Mark Hughes)
: To: BSE-L@consensus.com
: Subject: Re: Messed up reports
: Message-ID: <9502141246.AA20308@pms144.pms.ford.com>

: >   Sorry for the look of the reports, we need to gripe at AOL or come up
: > with a new convention for writing tabular data that will please both
: > groups.  Ideas welcome here folks!

: This problem would go away if AOL users could use a non-proportional font.
: I don't know if that's possible when displaying to the screen, but I do
: know that when I print to my printer while viewing AOL news I get a non-
: proportional font and everything is swell.

: Mark

: ------------------------------

: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:43:51 -0400
: From: Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
: To: bse-l@consensus.com
: Subject: News Flash
: Message-ID: <sf406d69.094@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>

: Dateline: Alippon--  Observers here were agape with
: surprise when, at 0200 local time, a Samillian War
: Cruiser, a Flagritz Baseship, and a WCE Man o War,
: pulled into the stardocks at IND Alippon, and then
: offloaded the Heads of State from the three empires.
: Local Alipponian officials ushered the dignataries into
: the Alipponian statehouse, where the three met behind
: closed doors for several hours.  When the three
: emerged at 1330 the next day, they exchanged
: somber handshakes all around, and then proceeded to
: their respective ships, which then lifted into the
: blazing afternoon sun.

:     No official announcement was forthcoming from any
: of the three governments, but insiders here speculate
: that the purpose of the summit was to help ensure the
: political stability of the Transhole region, especially
: with regards to the recent attempts by several
: affiliations to establish a powerbase within the
: Transhole itself.  IND Alippon is renowned for its
: political neutrality, and so was a natural choice to be
: host of such a summit.

: Tyrone "Ty" Meup
: Ringbone Independent News Agency

: ------------------------------

: Date: 14 Feb 95 16:35:34 EST
: From: Jim Gagliardi <73377.2042@compuserve.com>
: To: BSE Mailing List <bse-l@consensus.com>
: Subject: Starship Revisited
: Message-ID: <950214213533_73377.2042_CHK87-1@CompuServe.COM>

: [OOC]

: Sorry, Kerry, but my vote would be to leave the all of the current ships and
: hulls alone.  If you want changes, then submit research proposals.  I especially
: don't like changes that are retro-active and as sweeping as you propose.  Even
: though, being in the EEM, the changes you propose would aid us the most since we
: can build ship classes 1 - 20 inclusive.  I would rather create new and
: different ships than have "god" (RTG) come in and perform such changes.

: Jim G.

: aka	Dr. Noa Krieger
: 	Director of Engineering and Research
: 	Empire Engineering and Manufacturing (EEM)

: ------------------------------

: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:01:06 -0600 (CST)
: From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
: To: BSE-L@consensus.com
: Subject: Re: Starship Revisited
: Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502141719.B20787-0100000@pentagon.io.com>

: On 14 Feb 1995, Jim Gagliardi wrote:

: > [OOC]
: >
: > Sorry, Kerry, but my vote would be to leave the all of the current ships and
: > hulls alone.  If you want changes, then submit research proposals.  I especially
: > don't like changes that are retro-active and as sweeping as you propose.  Even
: > though, being in the EEM, the changes you propose would aid us the most since we
: > can build ship classes 1 - 20 inclusive.  I would rather create new and
: > different ships than have "god" (RTG) come in and perform such changes.
: >

: Jim,

: In an ideal situation I would agree with you, but this is not an ideal
: situation and we need to make for several years of neglect by taking some
: radical steps to but ships and colonies back in line with each other.

: Kerry

: ------------------------------

: Date: 14 Feb 95 21:47:17 EST
: From: "NARD'ZARD'ZHOK" <74551.3412@compuserve.com>
: To: BSEPOSTS <BSE-L@consensus.com>
: Subject: Quman Debree...er...zhipz
: Message-ID: <950215024717_74551.3412_EHH26-1@CompuServe.COM>

: jgrewgiuhuheauuyewrechhhhzjzlzlzzzzzzzzzzzzz --- ALIGNMENT COMPLETE ---
: ***** MESSAGE INBOUND FROM FLAGRITZ-COM  LOCATION UNDEFINED *****
: TO:ALL
: THIS iz FLAGRITZ final wordz on Quman debriee...er...zhipz.
: They did not move when told to move by FLAGRITZ. FLAGRITZ do not take
: prhizhonerz. FLAGRITZ Ataman whuz zhowing diplomacy by allowing zhipz
: time to leave. They did not. They choze to zhtay. FLAGRITZ zhalute their
: bravery, laugh at zhtupidity of choozing to fight with no mizzlez. That
: enz dizcuzzion on thiz matter ahz far ahz FLAGRITZ TRANSHOLE WARLORD iz
: cunzerned. More lip flapping iz zimply wind-making.

: Want make war with FLAGRITZ? Expect to pay prhice.

: NARD'ZARD'ZHOK
: FGZ BATON RUZE
: FGZ TH WARLORD

: ------------------------------

: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 22:50:00 -0600 (CST)
: From: v176@rex.uokhsc.edu (Todd D. Clapp)
: To: BSE-L@consensus.com
: Subject: ICN Sunrise - Market
: Message-ID: <9502150450.AA22574@rex.re.uokhsc.edu>

: ICN Sunrise (Tesni System, Planet Ekill, spsq 2258)

: Starport Facilities: repair, maintenance(5), ship yards, restaurant,
: gambling, recreation, hospital, hiport

: Market Buy      Quantity/Price
: BCM    500/200
: Biolab 50/100
: Consumer Goods 5000/5
: Crew   500/5
: Farms 43/1000
: Fibrillium  1000/80
: Hvy Tanks  508/200
: Lux Goods 500/15
: MCM  497/200
: Mines 100/1200
: Missles 5000/8
: Phys Lab  20/100
: Pulsar Beams  400/100
: Repairbots  1000/6
: Shields  1000/20
: Space Ftrs  1000/100
: Strion  500/30
: Structural Units 10000/5
: Transport Mod 500/200
: Factories  100/2400

: Market Sell        Quan/Price
: Biolabs  8/120
: Cond M/NM 7000/10
: Crew  30/15
: ECM  2000/10
: Fission 10000/1
: Food  10000/1
: GPI  12/12
: Green Troops  4000/3
: ICM  250/200
: Ion Cannon 105/100
: Korondite  5000/20
: Phys Lab 25/120
: Planet Probes 50/8
: Power 10000/1
: Pulac Crystals 1000/3
: Pulsar Beams  50/150
: Shuttles 100/250
: System Probes  20/25
: Thorlium 3541/15
: Thrust Engines 100/50
: TNU 10/90
:

: Coming soon: Cybermind disruptors, GPI Scramblers

: Finally to the best of my knowledge, there are no IMP directives concerning
: visits to Ekill.  All peaceful traders are welcome.   I also have two
: special projects which I am interested in hiring out.  First Sunrise
: needs to find another M/NM deposit on Ekill or on Ekill's moon Killer.
: Secondly I am interested in investigating the unknown gas in Ekill's
: atmosphere.  Anyone who is interested in these special projects should
: contact me directly to work out a compensation package.  In addition to
: buying the above market items for stellars, I am also open to barter
: arrangements.  Barter arrangements will have to be handled individually.

: Best of luck to all.

: Todd Clapp, Minister ICN Sunrise

: ------------------------------

: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:19:33 -0800 (PST)
: From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
: To: BSE-L@consensus.com
: Subject: Re: Quman Debree...er...zhipz
: Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502142111.A12433-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>

: On 14 Feb 1995, NARD'ZARD'ZHOK wrote:

: >
: >
: > Want make war with FLAGRITZ? Expect to pay prhice.
: >
: > NARD'ZARD'ZHOK
: > FGZ BATON RUZE
: > FGZ TH WARLORD

: nard'zard'zhok

: for your information, the attack on the ships are the reason for the
: "war," not a result of it.  there were no open hostilities before that
: point unless you count the unfortunate activities of the former atman.
: we thought that a new leader for the fgz would mean a new era.  we were
: mistaken.

: the fgz fired first.  we will fire last.  it is that simple.

: good battle pear shaped one,

: anton quthroh
: qsn

: ------------------------------

: Date: 15 Feb 95 01:03:58 EST
: From: Wayne Alexander <71470.344@compuserve.com>
: To: "INTERNET:BSE-L@consensus.com" <BSE-L@consensus.com>
: Subject: Re: BSE-L digest 23
: Message-ID: <950215060358_71470.344_EHB179-4@CompuServe.COM>

: TO: Star Adm von Ludendorf, ISP PD
: FM: Lord Stu Krieger, EEM CEO

: Your flunky just doesn't get it, does he?  I can see why he's a trucker
: weenie...having taken one too many deep breaths of diesel rocket fuel.
: The Imperials **DID**NOT** step back and let the companies represent
: themselves.  It used its visa granting authority to allow the ROC into
: the Capellan Periphery and did not get a reciprocating visa for the
: companies that the ROC will visit and buy from.  Hence, the ROC got the
: right to trade in the Periphery *BUT* the companies did not get the same
: right in the Draconian Cluster.  In order for the companies to get the
: right to trade they must approach the ROC and deal with them.  What we
: as companies have as leverage, the right to be at our colonies, is gone.
: The IMP gave that away for us and we got nothing in return.

: Or, is the ROC visa only good at IMP colonies?  (I doubt it.)

: What I am saying is that the IMP and the companies should consider the
: Periphery "our space."  Just as other foreign nationals consider their
: space to be "their space."  In the CP you are the government, our govern-
: ment.  Free trade requires equality in the area of market opportunity.
: By granting another government access to "our" markets without getting
: reciprocating access to "their" markets is a disservice to the companies
: you represent.  But, your flunky proudly gloats over the fact that the
: "guvment" used its visa authority to line only its own pocket and the
: business community could just go pound sand (in so many words).  That
: kind of arrogance the Periphery has not seen for some time.

: If I remember my history lessons right the same problem existed on Earth
: in the late 20th century between the USA and Japan, Inc.  Lots of Nippon
: products and services in the USA and very little allowable penetration
: of Nipponese markets by USA companies.  The USA government did not do
: right by its business community either.

: ------------------------------

: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 01:16:55 -0500
: From: StephMarte@aol.com
: To: BSE-L@consensus.com, 71470.344@compuserve.com
: Subject: Re: BSE-L digest 20
: Message-ID: <950214234101_21829665@aol.com>

: Lordy Stu Krieger,

:     You mean to tell me articulate statesmen like the Kriegers can't parley a
: couple dozen hulls filled with Rlo's 'minty pickle sauce' into a visa into
: ROC space?
:     I thought the EEM wrote the book on the "The Art of the Steal, er, Deal"?
:     Sincere regards,
:        Art Curry

: ------------------------------

: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 22:53:17 -0800 (PST)
: From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
: To: BSE-L@consensus.com
: Subject: Re: News Flash
: Message-ID: <Pine.APO.3.91.950214224957.18991A-100000@drought.berkeley.edu>

: On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, Phil Krauskopf wrote:

: > Dateline: Alippon--  Observers here were agape with
: > surprise when, at 0200 local time, a Samillian War
: > Cruiser, a Flagritz Baseship, and a WCE Man o War,
: > pulled into the stardocks at IND Alippon, and then
: > offloaded the Heads of State from the three empires.
: > Local Alipponian officials ushered the dignataries into
: > the Alipponian statehouse, where the three met behind
: > closed doors for several hours.  When the three

: ooc
: that's funny.  did the den of earth really come over my colony?  hmm does
: that mean he is dead?

: > Transhole itself.  IND Alippon is renowned for its
: > political neutrality, and so was a natural choice to be
: > host of such a summit.

: except they really want their citizens back that were enslaved by the fgz.

: richard

: ------------------------------

: End of BSE-L Digest 24
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BSE-L Digest 24
kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)
Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:11:01 +0000