Re: AG-turnie(ick)

From: "T. Woods" <twoods@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, sean wrote:

>
> Todd...I should have figured! :)
>

I was bored. :)

>
> True.  Please note that I said MAJOR skill.  As for natural hide, half of

Ya, but I only know of one race that has natural hide AND good
stat multiples.  Goblins.  I've always considered goblins to about on par
with humans.  A little worse for strength but natural hide and tripping.

> trap finding.  They get penalized as far as magic goes, but I think most
> would agree that they have easier stats than mino's.  I would not mind
> expensive magic if I had good stat multipliers...

Ya, but dwarves have a REALLY big multiple for spells.  Spells
may not have the same worth as physical attacks nowadays (unless you're
primarily a spell caster) and the idea of a mino mage is pretty funny,
but if a minotaur WISHED to get spells they'd be ALOT cheaper then a dwarves.

>
> No other race has both hard head and magic resistance.  Halflings have
> poison disease resistance, no other race does.  Lizardmen have tails, no
> other race does.  Half trolls have regeneration, no other race does.
> Many races have their own unique abilities.  I do think that half troll
> strength is too low also, however...
>

Ya, but each race also has it's disadvantage.  Mino's have 3
"natural" attributes.  Natural hide, headbutt, hard head.  Compare that
to halflings (poison disease res. and trip) lizardmen (tailwhip, natural
hide), goblins (natural hide, trip)  half-trolls (natural hide,
regeneration), humans (none), dwarves (hard head, magic resistance),
ogres (beserk fury, natural hide),elves (you could stretch it to say they
start with 3 skills because of the 3 spells, but you'd really be
stretching it, getting a trained spell for free doesn't compare to hard
head or natural hide).  Unless I've forgotten something there is no other
race that starts out with 3 "natural" attributes.  Therefore either their
stats have to suffer or their spells have to suffer when compared to the
other races.  And there are several races that have worse or the same
mutliples for stats and don't have 3 attributes.  Let's look at dwarves.
Compared to the multiple for buying spells for dwarves a mino's spell multiple
is alot lower.  Therefore their stat multiples have to be considerably higher.
 If you decrease their stat multiples by more then a point or two you'd
 basically be looking at a race that has just as good
stat multiples as a dwarf but instead of having magic resistance they
have a bonus to head butt, also have natural hide, and a much lower spell
multiple.	Trained magic resistance isn't worth that much.
And in my opinion dwarves are one of the better races, about the only
ones that I'd say are better are humans and possibly goblins.

>
> Some races pay a bit too much! :)

You could always run a half-troll. :)

>
> I also think it would be better to see the head butt skill at a 10
> multiplier.  That is if a higher skill in head butt would extend the
> range a bit.

I'm not sure a higher skill level in head butt does extend the
range.  Anybody know this for sure?  Also I don't think you should
decrease their strength AND their head butt multiple.  Mino's aren't
hopeless, just not quite as good as some of the other races.  Elves only
have a 15 multiple for spells and that's really their only natural
attribute which they pay for with really bad stats.  To decrease the
strength and headbutt multiple wouldn't seem fair compared to some of the
other races.  And if you think having lower spell multiples isn't such a
big deal (i.e. the difference between mino's and dwarves) then you really
should be in favor of lowering an elves stat multiple. :)

>
> I actually landed a head butt on one character out of 15 tourney fights.
> I did win that fight, but surely that is not why I did well in it.

First, what level is the headbutt, how many times did you try to
use it, and against what power level character?  Kick seems to be more
successful then most other "physical" skills and at level 5-6 you can't
expect to hit and do damage more then 50% of the time versus 1500+ power
level characters.
	Second, if you don't think that landing that headbutt helped you
in the fight and that headbutt didn't help you in the tournament, and yet
you did win that fight and quite a few others, then it seems that
mino's are good enough that they don't need anymore improvements. :) That
seems to be Hugh's original comment.  You aren't siding with him are
you?  :)

>
> I agree, but also consider half trolls.  A troll is supposed to be
> strong, right?
>

Grumble. Ya, I know.  I argued for that for awhile.  I did get
stamina to help with regeneration, so that's about all I can say about
that.  I DO think that regeneration should help with recovering from the
effects of poisons.

Later,
	Todd

References

Re: AG-turnie(ick)
"T. Woods" <twoods@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: AG-turnie(ick)
sean <sean@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: AG-turnie(ick)
sean <sean@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

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Re: AG-turnie(ick)
"T. Woods" <twoods@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: AG-turnie(ick)
sean <sean@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: AG-turnie(ick)
sean <sean@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Fri, 16 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000