Re: AG stuff

From: lepag001@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Garrett R Le-Page)

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

ryu70@aol.com (Ryu70) writes:

>EXCEPT for puds like Dorvan. :)  I think Dorvan will equal Paz
>in a lot of ways in 1 1/2 to 2 years.

We already know that Dorvan was brought about by an older player passing
on his scrolls to another one of his characters.  I do not see how this
relates to the vast majority of starting players.

>Happens to me all the time.  Evidently Hugh has set stat spheres at
>around a 30 stat maximum.  Everyone else in the party gets a free
>raise of cunning, but I get stuck with KP.  Like Dave mentioned,
>this benefits lower characters and also races like ogres, minos, etc.

Most of the good springs I see run out after one sip.  Maybe seeing
multiple chances is a result of higher PL?

>>> Another way that newer folks have an advantage is the evolving
>>> game system.  Part of the reason second generation characters
>>> caught the first generation is that for the first couple years
>>> when adv was not introduced, 30 odd ep was a great guild turn.
>>> Nowadays, 30 ep is considered a poor showing.

I the guild?  I can go to a called fight with my opponent severly wounded
and me unhurt and lose for 1 EP.  My average guild EP are 26.  Worse, is
being in Ciston, where going 7/7 can mean 15 EP.

>>I'm not sure exactly what the highest amount is
>>(12?) but I know you can't get this for a regular fight until at least
>>2000+ power level.  So higher level characters are probably getting more
>>e.p. on both adventures and in the guild.  Their stats costs more, but
>>this is balanced out to a great extent by higher e.p.  When a

>I think what Dave is trying to say is that newer characters are
>benefiting just from starting later.  For the longest time, high
>power level people were getting max of _6 EP_ per guild fight!
>So, our old characters lost a lot of EP, whereas now the newer
>characters will go up faster in power than we ever did.

My characters are all about a year old.  The highest power is Hungry at
800+.  She has gone up faster than just about every character that
started around her time.  So, exactly how is this threatening the big guys?

>>> to another post, it was well over a year after adventuring
>>> started that I could buy my first Medallion of returning.  Fostils
>>> Packs were not even in existance.

So, improvements have been made.  At least you did not sell a Fostil's
for 500gc at 200 power;)  For the record:  600-800 PL characters will
bring in 60-80 gc at training sites and 150-250 gold at Skree/Dead Hills
at lvl 6.  We can do this pretty much without dying.  Raise the level to
7-8 and we start dropping.

>>For many NEW players it might take this long to get a medallion
>>of returning.  For players that already have characters they can start
>>new characters and make sure they have money for medallion, ect.  So if
>>anything it's not really new characters that are benefiting from this,
>>but new characters played by old players.  There are some players that

I was lucky in that I won my first Tourney and sold the Fostils for 500
gold= 1000 gold.  Spread that around three characters.  Right now, I am
basically broke.  Only Hawk's willingness to buy Twitter's MP has given
me any play money (which I tend to give away anyhow).

>NEW players are getting advantages that old players did not have
>when they started.  There is _a lot_ more gold available nowadays
>on lower level adventures.  Even guild fights give out a lot more
>gold than what we got when we first started.

Antar gives up to 30 gc per guild turn.  Barstow and Ciston still give
5-8 gc a turn.  The Quests have given low level characters a chance to
earn some money.  The game has moved on.  There is no reason why new
players should be poor when the game advertises itself as an adventure
game.  The only characters around 700 PL with any money are those run by
older players.  The rest of us are scraping the barrel.

>EP gains increase in guild and adventuring as you advance.  Gold and
>items have increased a huge amount over the years for newer characters.

Well, I have not seen this Boon.  30-35 EP average on a lvl 6 adventure.
Death very likely any higher.  Items mostly the 5-20 gc variety.  My last
three adventures have yielded no items.  These were Marikhold, Isurus and
Swamp.

Garrett

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RE: AG stuff
ryu70@aol.com (Ryu70)
Mon, 26 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000