RE: AG stuff

From: "T. Woods" <twoods@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

On 23 Jun 1995, Ryu70 wrote:

> Against dodgers like Paz, high str designs do terrible, but
> against the ogre Hulk who we fought in Doubles, Golden could
> parry all his Power/berserked/high str gauntlet attacks, but
> he'd smash through for partial damage.

There really aren't that many PURE parriers out there now.  I
know of ALOT of characters that used to parry exclusively but have since
picked up int. parry and dodge if they need too.  As I've said before,
there are some attacks you just don't want to parry.

> There is the possibility of abuse with these super heavy
> weapons....I can forsee an 18 STR starting human design
> who picks up daze later on.  40 STR, mega mace, daze around
> level 10-13.  Cast daze once on Paz.  One swing, one hit,
> fight over. (considering it only took Golden 3 hits to take
> Paz out with a longsword, I don't see Paz taking more than
> 1 hit from a mega mace)  I know of a few 3000+ or so power
> characters who already have those heavy maces, 40+ STR, and
> would be very happy to try this out if mega weapons were
> introduced.  I can even see elves who already abused scrolls
> to get 24 STR and already have level 13-15 daze, raise their
> STR to 28-30, be at no or almost no encumbrance, use a mega
> mace.  No armor, mega mace, cast speed, cast daze, one swing.

>
> Also on adventures where monsters normally outnumber the party,
> there are many side and behind the back attacks that aren't sensed
> and defended against.  One hit from a mega mace from behind to
> someone's head would spell disaster, whereas right now, even a
> Masher Herdling getting a free swing at your back with his great
> axe would mean a serious blow, but not an automatic death blow.
>

I don't think this would be a bad thing.  Stamina would play a
greater role (so that one lucky back shot from a Mega-Cyclops  doesn't
drop you or daze you).  Right now stamina seems to be the most
underdeveloped stat in the game.  Strength is needed to use weapons and
armor, and dex and cun for activity, but stamina is only raised to "round
out" the character after the other stats are done.

>
> I would have to disagree with you and Dave on this.  High str designs
> and their heavy weapons do decent against parriers, but most of the time
> do awful against dodgers.

But almost nobody EXLCUSIVELY parries.  Instead they have intelligent
parry and dodge if they have too.  Your judgement on when to dodge isn't
so good at lower levels, but rarely misses at level 5+..  Also even a decent
dodge/retreat (mid-20's) will allow you to dodge very well against these
types of attacks.

>
> Yep, another thing to favor humans. :)  I don't see 'typical' high
> str races like ogres benefitting much from super heavy weapons.
> Humans would benefit greatly, then dwarves next on list.

Glad I run a human. :)

>
> I don't see any slow/stupid type ogre design ever coming close to
> hitting Paz.  A super heavy weapon would definitely enhance Rambler's
> (human) ability, but for like Bangor(ogre), he'll still have no
> prayer of competing on Paz's level.
>

Agreed.

> Perhaps we should push more for 2-3 higher classes of armor instead
> of heavier weapons? :) This would increase length of fights for
> the slow/stupid types and more swings at lower attack percentages
> increases chances to win.  Better solution than same length fight
> but only change would be heavier weapon that does more damage if
> you hit? Of course, with the advent of new heavy armors, everyone
> else would also be wearing it so your normal heavy weapon would
> actually be doing less damage if you hit. :)
>

I think that the heavy armor types are NEEDED by the high
strength designs to keep them competitive vs. other types of designs.  .  I
also think the combination of a heavy armor
and heavy weapons would greatly increase the effectiveness of the high
strength design.  They would be able to stay in longer (i.e. get more
attacks) and it would take less attacks to drop their opponent.  Also
ONLY the PURE strength design would be able to get a high enough strength
to use BOTH a heavy weapon and heavy armor.  20 fatigue weapon + 20
fatigue armor =50 strength needed for no encumbrance (this without
helm).  Speaking of helm, if we're talking about heavier types of armor
we would NEED bigger types of helmets.  (Seems sorta silly, 20 PF armor
and only 8 helmet). I also like the suggestion of a heavy gauntlet for
beserking types.  They're a big reason why we're discussing heavy
armor/weapons.

>
> I've been in AG forever and even before Hugh cut off the scroll supply
> I could never find a scroll!!! Only a few old players were able to
> talk a lot of other players out of their scrolls.  Perhaps this is

Money does alot of talking! :)

> why it sounds like old players had a ton of scrolls stashed.  I WAS
> NEVER ALLOWED TO ABUSE THE SYSTEM!!! ;) (ain't that right, Dave,
> Mr. 6 Earthy Browns? ;-)  then there's Blanka, and Drackmoor, and

And you know what he did with those scrolls?!  :) The words
Mighty Mouse comes to mind.

> Sxar who is even worse with his earthy browns AND forest greens, and
> countless other elves)  I wonder if a minotaur of all things ever
> got to read an earthy brown scroll?!!!

Ya, a few did.  It wasn't just the elves and halflings (but they
did pay the most for them!). :)

>
> Mike, still disgusted at all those halflings and freakin elves who
> got millions of free raises in strength to 24 and beyond.....yah, yah,
> I'm ranting...(maniacal laughter)
>

Ya, but if you played and elf and say those raises (over 100 e.p.
per stat raise eventually) it was quite an experience. :)

Later,
	  Todd

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RE: AG stuff
ryu70@aol.com (Ryu70)
Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000