Re: Middle Earth Riddle - Answer Required

From: Bill Woods <wwoods@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:00:00 +0000

> Jason Ayers wrote:
>
> > Greetings All Tolkien & PBM Gurus,
> >
> > Since "The Mouth of Sauron" (A ME-PBM newsletter) has gotten lost into
> > the midst of time there is no longer an archive of Riddles based on
> > Middle Earth.
> >
> > With the lauch of the 4th Age ME-PBM Game new riddles have started to
> > surface and we have struck a blank on one of these.
> >
> > I challenge all you Tolkien fans to come up with the solution.
> >
> > The Riddle reads:
> >
> > Honored by this Elven name
> >       a male named for him just the same
> >              His honor wained as time went by
> >                   till his surrender to the lidless eye
> >
> > We have tried "Curunir" in reference to Saruman - WRONG.
> > We thought it might be "Denethor", but I am not convinced.
> >
> > I am certain that someone knows the answer.
> >
> > Please email me with your thoughts,
> >
> > Jason Ayers

Is "wained" a typo or a deliberate misspelling?

If the latter, then E�rnil & E�rnur are a possibility.

E�rnil defeated the Wainriders and became King E�rnil 2nd.
His son E�rnur defeated the Witchking in Arnor, but years
later was lured into a hopeless fight in Minas Morgul.
Whether that constitutes surrender to the Witchking's boss
Sauron, AKA "the lidless eye" . . .

"E�rnil" and "E�rnur" both mean "sea-lover" in Quenya,
so they're (kinda, sorta) the same name.

To make this work, the second line refers to E�rnil,
and the third and fourth lines refer to E�rnur.

--
   Bill Woods

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    simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
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References

Middle Earth Riddle - Answer Required
jason@hoofa.demon.co.uk (Jason Ayers)
Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Middle Earth Riddle - Answer Required
XIII <dlepriol@japan.co.jp>
Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:00:00 +0000