Diplomacy Zine --- Chapter Three EP 147 From: mad-2@kub.nl (C. Wekx) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1990 10:27:03 +0000 ------------- Chapter Three ------------- This chapter contains results from ENTENTE (#21), DAWN PATROL (#23), BERLIN (#32), EL ALAMEIN (#41), SNIKKEL 1 (#42), SNIKKEL 2 (#43) and blind game MULHOUSE (#22). ? of the game ENTENTE (MNC number 1989IJrv17) (1914 variant, GM is matt@oddjob.uchicago.edu/Matt Crawford) Nothing received. Summer '04 of the game MULHOUSE (MNC number 1989ISrd24) (Blind game, GM is barry@vax1.acs.udel.edu/Barry T. Fausnaugh) Nothing received. Fall '05 of the game DAWN PATROL (BNC number 1989II) (GM is sinhaa@mcmaster.ca/Anand Sinha) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 90 14:28 EST Sorry for the delay folks. Without any further ado.... Austria (Hannigan) England (Fischer) A Bud - TRI F Ech - LON A Gal - UKR F NWY S (F Edi - Nth) A RUM S TUR F Bla-Sev F Edi - NTH A SER S A Rum H F Ska - DEN F Tri - ADR F BAL S (F Ska - Den) F Aeg - GRE France (Beard) Germany (O'Regan) A Por - Spa ** A RUH - Pic ** A Bur - MAR F Nth - BEL A PIC S A Bel (cut) A HOL S F Nth - Bel F ROM H A MUN - Ber ** A GAS S A Bur - Mar F Den H (dislodged) A Bel H (disbanded) Italy (Wekx) Russia (Bennett) F SPA sc S A Mar (cut) A Fin - SWE A Mar S F Spa sc (dislogded) A Sev - ARM A Apu - NAP A MOS - sev ** F Tys - TUN A Ukr - WAR A SIL - Ber ** Turkey (Kuo) A VEN S French F Rom H F Bla - SEV <Final Unit Positions> Army Fleet Austria : TRI, RUM, SER, UKR ADR, GRE England : LON, NWY, BAL, NTH, DEN France : MAR, POR, GAS, PIC ROM Germany : RUH, HOL, MUN BEL, ??? Italy : NAP, ??? SPA, TUN Russia : ARM, WAR, SWE, SIL, MOS Turkey : VEN, SEV Italian Army MAR can retreat to Pie or disband German Fleet Den can retreat to Kie, Hel or disband Supply Centre Count: Austria : VIE, BUD, TRI, SER, BUL, CON, GRE, RUM England : LIV, LON, EDI, NWY, DEN France : BRE, PAR, POR, ROM, MAR Germany : KIE, BER, BEL, MUN, HOL Italy : NAP, TUN, SPA Russia : WAR, MOS, STP, SWE Turkey : SMY, ANK, SEV, VEN |00 |01 |02 |03 |04 | 05| Aus | 3 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 8| Eng | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 5| Fra | 3 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 7 | 5| Ger | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 5| Ita | 3 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 3| Rus | 4 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 4| Tur | 3 | 5 | 6 | 4 | 2 | 4| Austria: +2 England: 0 France: 0 since Bel was disbanded, and there was one unusable build last year Germany: 0, +1 if F Den is disbanded Italy : -1, 0 if A Mar is disbanded Russia : -1 Turkey : +2 Deadlines : Builds/retreats Tuesday Feb.27 22:00EST Spring 1906, Sunday March 4, 22:00 EST As usual, if there are any problems, please let me know. Anand Fall '02 of the game BERLIN (BNC number 1989KQ) (GM is cwekx@htikub5.bitnet/Constantijn Wekx) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 90 10:38 MET Yo folks! Finally! The results of game Berlin fall '02! Austria/Hungary: F Gre s F Aeg -> Bul (nso); A Bud s A Ser; A Boh -> Sil; A Gal -> Rum (*); A Ser s F Aeg -> Bul (nso). England: F Bar -> Stp (*); F Nts s F Kie -> Den (dislodged); F Nwg -> Nao; A Nwy -> Swe (*). France: F Bre -> Ech; F Mao s F Bre -> Ech; A Gas -> Bur; A Mun h; A Par s A Gas -> Bur. Germany: F Bel s F Den -> Nts; F Kie -> Den; A Hol h; A Ruh -> Bur (*). Italy: F Aeg c A Tun -> Con (*); F Ion c A Tun -> Con; A Tun -> Con (*); A Ven -> Tri. Russia: F Bla s A Rum; F Den -> Nts; F Stp -> Bar (*); A Fin -> Swe (*); A Rum s A Bul -> Ser (cut); A Ukr -> War. Turkey: F Eme -> Aeg (*); A Bul -> Ser (*); A Con -> A Bul (*); A Smy -> Con (*). England retreats its disbanded fleet to Lon. The unit positions! Army Fleet Austria : Bud, Gal, Sil, Ser Gre England : Nwy Bar, Lon, Nao France : Bur, Mun, Par Ech, Mao Germany : Hol, Ruh Bel, Den Italy : Tri, Tun Aeg, Ion Russia : Fin, Rum, War Bla, Nts, Stp Turkey : Bul, Con, Smy Eme The supply centre count! Austria : Bud, Gre, Ser, Vie. (* disbands 1 *) England : Edi, Lon, Lvp, Nwy. (* 0 *) France : Bre, Mar, Mun, Par, Por, Spa. (* builds 1 *) Germany : Bel, Ber, Den, Hol, Kie. (* builds 1 *) Italy : Nap, Rom, Tri, Tun, Ven. (* builds 1 *) Russia : Mos, Rum, Sev, Stp, Swe, War. (* 0 *) Turkey : Ank, Bul, Con, Smy. (* 0 *) The press! (London) Sources have revealed that the Queen has undertaken a covert voyage to certain European capitals. The Prime Minister, who is in charge during the Royal Absence, refused to comment. (Paris) Hundreds of Thousands of Frenchman jammed the streets of this city, demanding the government support the English in their time of need. The government had no immediate response. (St. Petersburg) Continued reports of insurgents in opposition to his policies has the Tsar seeing red. The Snow has piled high, it looks to be a long and bleak Winter. The deadlines! Winter '02 (builds and retreats) before Thursday, March 1, 1990 22:00 h (MET). Spring '03 (orders and press): Sunday, March 4, 1990 22:00 h (MET). Sorry for the delay, somebody's mailer system was screwed up for a couple of days. I hope I haven't made any mistake in this game report. If you find one, please contact me as soon as possible! Go go go! Constantijn Fall '01 of the game EL ALAMEIN (BNC number not known) (GM is cap@htikub5.bitnet/Joris Pinkse) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 90 11:17 MET Ok folks, fall '01 moves. Joris Austria (Odear): England (Crabbe): A Vie-Boh A Wal h A Ser S F Alb-Gre F Nwg-Bar F Alb-Gre F Nth-Nwy France (Klaus): Germany (Pulliam): A Par-Pic A Pru-Lvn A Mar-Spa A Ruh-Hol F MAO-Por F Bal-Swe (* bounce *) Italy (Davis): Russia (Darken): A Tyl-Mun A Sev S F Bla-Rum A Apu-Tun A Ukr-War F Ion C A Apu-Tun F GoB-Swe (* bounce *) F Bla-Rum Turkey (Huntsman): A Bul-Rum (* bounce *) A Ank h F Con-Bla The situation is now: Unit positions: A F Austria: Ser,Boh Gre England: Wal Nwy,Bar France: Pic,Spa Por Germany: Lvn,Hol Bal Italy: Mun,Tun Ion Russia: War,Sev GoB,Rum Turkey: Ank,Bul Bla ownership supply centers: Austria: Bud,Vie,Tri,Gre,Ser (* builds 2 *) England: Lvp,Lon,Edi,Nwy (* builds 1 *) France: Par,Mar,Bre,Spa,Por (* builds 2 *) Germany: Ber,Kie,Hol (* builds 0 *) Italy: Rom,Ven,Nap,Mun,Tun (* builds 2 *) Russia: Mos,War,StP,Sev,Rum (* builds 1 *) Turkey: Con,Smy,Ank,Bul (* builds 1 *) 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 Cumulated # hours late Odear (A) 3 5 0 Crabbe (E) 3 4 0 Klaus (F) 3 5 0 Pulliam (G) 3 3 0 Davis (I) 3 5 0 Darken (R) 4 5 0 Huntsman (T) 3 4 0 Paris: France declares war on England. We had to decide if we would go against England or Italy now. England seems the tougher enemy, so we choose it. We don't wish war with Germany, but also don't expect any help from there. The French partners can always count on a fair warning, before we change alliance. We hope for the same treatment from our partners. signed, Francois Pomme de Terre, Emperor of France retreats & builds will be due asap, but certainly no later than thursday 9.00 am MET. Fall '02 of the game SNIKKEL 1 (BNC number 1990K) (Old-timer game, GM is pinkse@htikub5.bitnet/Joris Pinkse) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 90 09:20 MET Yo folks, I am not gonna rush another time like yesterday. In future I will just wait for a moment at which I have more time. Again I made errors due to lack of time because people were late. You cannot expect me to make up results in two minutes time. Thanks George B. for your comments. Oh, and my compliments to both George F., Michel and Constantijn for being on time all the time ! Joris Players: George Boyce England george@nova.npac.syre.edu Constantijn Wekx Turkey cwekx@htikub5.bitnet Eric Aubourg Italy aubourg@frulm11.bitnet John O'Regan France j_oregan%csvax1@iruccvax.bitnet Anand Sinha Russia sinhaa@mcmaster.bitnet Michel Malhomme Austria malhomme@enst.enst.fr George Fink Germany gfink@clover.ucdavis.edu Moves: Austria (Malhomme): England (Boyce): A Gal-Bud (*bounce,dislodged*) F Nwy S F Nth A Bud-Ser (* bounce *) F Nth S F Nwy A Vie-Tri F Lon-Eng (* bounce *) F Nwg-NAO A Bel S A Mun-Bur France (O'Regan): Germany (Fink): A Pic S A Bur-Bel A Hol S A Bel A Spa-Gas A Mun-Bur F MAO S F Bre-Eng F Den S F Bal-Swe F Bre-Eng A Kie-Ruh A Bur-Bel (*bounce,dislodged*) F Bal-Swe Italy (Aubourg): Russia (Sinha): A Apu-Ven A War S A Ukr-Gal A Tun h A Rum S A Bul-Ser F Ion-Adr F Swe S F Den (* cut, dislodged *) F Tys-Ion F Sev S A Rum A Ukr-Gal F StP S F Nwy Turkey (Wekx): A Bul-Ser A Gre S A Bul-Ser F Aeg S F Smy-Eme F Smy-Eme A Galicia can retreat to Vienna, Bohemia or Silesia A Burgundy can retreat to Paris,Marseilles F Sweden can retreat to Gulf of Bothnia, Finland, Skagerak (I think that covers all (I don't have a map at hand now)) Of course these units can be disbanded as well... The situation is now: Unit positions: A F Austria: Tri,(*Gal*),Ser England: Bel Nth,Lon,Nwy,NAO France: Pic,Gas,(*Bur*) MAO,Eng Germany: Ruh,Bur,Hol Den,Swe Italy: Tun,Ven Ion,Tys Russia: Gal,War,Rum (* Swe *),Sev,StP nc Turkey: Ser,Gre Aeg,Eme ownership supply centers: Austria: Bud,Vie,Tri (* 0 builds *) (* has to retreat A Gal *) England: Lvp,Lon,Edi,Bel,Nwy (* 0 builds *) France: Par,Mar,Bre,Spa,Por (* 0 builds *) (* has to retreat A Bur *) Germany: Ber,Mun,Kie,Hol,Den,Swe (* 1 build *) Italy: Rom,Ven,Nap,Tun (* 0 builds *) Russia: Mos,War,StP,Sev,Rum (* 1 removal *) (* has to retreat F Swe *) Turkey: Con,Smy,Ank,Bul,Gre,Ser (* 2 builds *) Austria 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 Cumulated # hours late Malhomme (A) 3 4 3 0 Boyce (E) 3 5 5 4 O'Regan (F) 3 5 5 37 Fink (G) 3 5 6 0 Aubourg (I) 3 4 4 11 Sinha (R) 4 6 5 5 Wekx (T) 3 4 6 0 Press: Ankara: The Turkish emir has sent a personal note to the Czar of Russia in which he thanks Nicholas for sending him his daughter. "But I have to say you, dear friend, you'v never looked into the eyes of your own daughter that well. You'd promised me a blue eyed one, but Jenny's are green! Anyway, I will keep her. I like her very much." Athens: The new Greek government characterised the Turkish soldiers in Greece as "freedom fighters". "We are glad we can speak and act freely again, something what was inconceivable a year ago." Belgrade: Minister Stojanov made an unforgivable mistake at yesterday's military ceremony. His assistant handed him the wrong honor medals and this made he decorated six Russian military advisors "Hero of mother heroin". Brussels: The current mood to overthrow the English has been replaced by a "Keep the French out" sentiment. This feeling has percolated from Holland, under German Rule. Budapest: The Hungarian newspaper "Eleure" wrote in a editorial comment that the Archduke of Austria was quite upset about the disastrous results of the military campaign in spring. "You really can't trust those damned Turks. Where are the days when the Czar and me joined eachother in an all-out war against the Sultan? I am longing back to them!" Constantinople: The Turkish council of Emirates has warned Italy. In a addopted state- ment the council has stressed the need for an anti Italian campaign. "Italy doesn't want to negociate with us anymore (worst thing is that we are not aware of having done anything wrong). This only leaves us one possibility; to go there and ask them in person!" London: Government spokesman vehemently denied that the new Turkish fleet being built is destined for use against Russian holdings. "We are at war with Russia, er, um, I mean, We are at PEACE with Russia, why would we build a fleet that only would be used against her." On the contrary, sources intimate that Turkish diplomats indicate the fleet is to be used in the Turkish campaign against France in 1904. "One year is all it should take to fight through those Italian lasagne-frigates!" Moscow: Boris Snitchovitch has continued his condemnation of the Austrian ArchDuke. "He continues to lie to us. He said that he would retreat out of Galicia. He sure tried to..into Mother Russia. We cannot allow that." Mr. Snitchovitch has ordered an all-out assault on Austrian positions. Moscow: For the first time in six months the Czar has attended a cabinet of war meeting. Nicholas excused having been absent for so long. But, he said, while pointing at his crotch, "I had a little inconvenience, eh, you know...hum hum." Paris: France has ratified the Ger/Fra/Ita pact after a vivid discussion in parliament last friday. Especially the paragraphs about the German/French cooperation were due to criticism. "It's not sure whether France will benifit more from this alliance than the Germans will do". Fifteen MPs obstained. Rome: Sorry Emir, but I am going to get you! As you wrote before, Italy and Turkey are naturally enemies in the game. I will grant Duke Francois-Joseph political asylum and help him wherever and whenever I can. I hope you will excuse me for not having answered your mails; the Italian king was out of town (Rome) and enjoying his holidays. Saluzzo: The strange events in this Alpine town continued this week as all living members of the Viscounti family, and their closest friends were reported missing in several different catastrophic accidents. The Viscounti family has lived in the Saluzzo area for about 300 years, having been outcast from their ancestral ruling seat in Milan. Government sources say that "it's just a coincidence. There's nothing to this business. Honest. Really. That's the ticket. Yeah." Just how this new development relates to the recently abandoned investigation by Vicent Poirot into the town hall explosion is still a mystery. Sevastopol: The 1st Russian fleet has grown restless during its long stay at port. The ships have grown rusty and there are barnacles eating their way through the hull. Rumours have the fleet moving into Rumania in the near future. Sofia: A big party was thrown, celebrating one and a half year Turkish protection. One million excited people attended the official ceremony at the Freedom square in Sofia. Huge banners with "Long live Emir Constanti!" and "Allah, the Emir and Bulgaria" were caried around with. Stately Wayne Manor: Millionaire Bruce Wayne expressed deep concern over the lack of lasagne in his favourite restaurant. He hoped that the European strife would end soon. His butler, Alfred, caught while dusting the atomic power source for the Batmobile, was sympathetic to the English cause. He is diverting funds from the Wayne Children's Foundation to England. St. Petersburg: Minister Baranow: "I am a little worried about that fink with the capital F." St. Petersburg: On a tour of the naval yards, the Tsar was seen headed for the red-light district. Upon emerging he was overheard to say, "Stop the invasion of Germany. Our red-light districts are better than my cousin the Kaiser's. England's is no better either. Halt the war with England". The sailors stationed in St. Petersburg were happy to stay at home this winter. Tilburg: (Leuter) Due to big delays caused by indeterminacy of the French, Italian and Russian rulers the big enforcer made mistakes which have been corrected (hopefully) by now. Tirana: The Albanian government has called on all male adults to apply for the army in these times of war and international tentions. The Italian military activities in spring are seen as the main reason for mobilising. Especially the Muslim fraction in the Albanian council (70 percent of all seats) is extremely worried about those "Lasagna eaters". "We want to fight for our right to freedom of religion", one spokesman said, "The Pope obviously denies it, so there's no other choice but mobilising." Tunis: The residents have banded their camels together to try and overthrow the yoke of oppression saddled on the locals by the Pope. This strife will be interesting to most observers in Europe. The major concern appears to be the amount of lasagne required to keep the marauding Italian army going. Tunis just does not have enough pasta to continue to support the Italians. Vienna: The ArchDuke has returned all shipments of lasagne to the Pope. "Ve do not need zuch stuff, ve have our own Struedel and Goulash to keep us happy." Many observers believe that the famed Austro-Italian grand alliance may not happen. (conditional) builds are due thursday 1.00 pm MET (6.00 am EST). Russia, France and Austria should submit their retreat orders as well. Builds can be made conditional upon these retreats. Fall '01 of the game SNIKKEL 2 (BNC number 1990L) (Old-timer game, GM is cwekx@htikub5.bitnet/Constantijn Wekx) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 90 17:00 MET Yo folks! The Fall '01 results! Austria/Hungary: F Alb -> Adr; A Ser -> Bud (*); A Tri -> Vie. England: F Nts c A Yor -> Nwy; F Nwg s A Yor -> Nwy; A Yor -> Nwy. France: F Mao -> Spa sc; A Bur s A Pic -> Bel; A Pic -> Bel. Germany: F Den h; A Kie -> Mun (*); A Ruh -> Hol. Italy: F Tys -> Tun; A Tyr -> Mun (*); A Ven -> Tri. Russia: F Gob -> Swe; F Rum h; A Gal -> Bud (*); A Stp -> Fin. Turkey: F Con -> Bul sc; A Bul -> Gre; A Smy -> Con. The units position! F A Austria/Hungary: Adr, Ser, Vie. England: Nts, Nwg, Nwy. France: Spa sc, Bel, Bur. Germany: Den, Hol, Kie. Italy: Tun, Tri, Tyr. Russia: Rum, Swe, Fin, Gal. Turkey: Bul sc, Con, Gre. The supply centre count! Austria/Hungary: Bud, Ser, Vie. England: Edi, Lon, Lvp, Nwy. France: Bel, Bre, Mar, Par, Spa. Germany: Ber, Den, Hol, Kie, Mun. Italy: Nap, Rom, Tri, Tun, Ven. Russia: Mos, Rum, Sev, Stp, Swe, War. Turkey: Ank, Bul, Con, Gre, Smy. The builds! Austria/Hungary: 0 England: +1 France: +2 Germany: +2 Italy: +2 Russia: +2 Turkey: +2 The vote! On eliminating black press: Yes: 2 No: 4 NVR: 1 Nothing changes. Black press remains allowed. The press! <Snikkel 2 Today> (Barcelona) The French 1st Naval Fleet appeared along the southern coast of Spain today. This is the same fleet that was headed for Canada, but apparently mutineed. (Everywhere) Everything. (Lisbon) A French renegade fleet was sighted off the coast of Portugal today, headed for the southern coast of Spain. Local authorities believe that these ships broke away from their destination of Canada and instead headed for warmer climates. (London) It turns out that the Queen was not assassinated, but the King who apparently was dressed up as the Queen in an attempt to impress several young friends. We now know where the King's nickname "Queenie" from Mikey's Pub originated. (London) President Maurice Richard of France has announced that he will no longer accept the artificial border with Italy. He has stated that Italy has no right of existence. After that he cited Cato: 'Ceterum censio Romam esse delendam', or freely translated: 'Furthermore I think Rome should be destroyed'. (London) What is the difference between President Maurice Richard of France and a vibrator ? The president is a REAL prick. (Marseilles) The Metropolitan Drug Squad has put its hand on a 100 000 kg hash load coming from Canada. It now seems that this was the greatest blunder in the history of the squad as the load was meant to serve the purpose of building up our own 'stick'-industry, which is a necessary condition if our hockey team is to play any role at all in the forthcoming World Championship. (Montreal) One tugboat of the French navy appeared today. On board were two sons of French President Maurice Richard. It is said that they are here to learn to play hockey. Residents of the are in shock that the French only sent one ship. They were expecting an entire fleet. (Muenchen) President Maurice Richard von Frankreich erklaerte dass er die artifiziele Grenze mit Italien nicht langer acceptiere. Er sagte dass er die Italienische Staat nicht anerkaenne. Er fuechte ein kleines Zitat von Kato der Eltere hinzu: 'Ceterum censio Romam esse delendam' (Meiner Meinung nach sollte Rome ausradiert werden). (Munich) A good glass of beer is cold, foaming and free. (Paris) President Maurice Richard was in shock when informed of the mutiny of the 1st French Fleet. Instead of heading for cold, clammy Montreal Canada, they sailed towards the southern coast of Spain to become pirates. "Well what did you expect?", exclaimed Richard, "They are _swarthy_ Frenchmen after all! All swarthy Frenchmen are pirates!". Richard asked Spain to excuse the presence of the French Pirates, saying that Portugal was to be their staging area, but a miscommunication occurred. (Paris) President Maurice Richard a annonce qu'il n'accepte plus la frontiere artificielle avec l'Italie. Il a dit que l'Italie n'a pas le droit de l'existence. Apres ca il a cite Cato: 'Ceterum censio Romam esse delendam'. (Rio de Janiero) The Argentinian hockey team scored a major victory over the Russian Army Squad yesterday. In a surprise, neither team's coach was shot. (Rome) The German Kaiser is said to have abdicated due to rumors about proven incompetence. He is furthermore accused of having joined a Belgian ex-official and some Belgian magistrates, who fled Brussels recently, in some great scale orgies with lots of attractive women and young boys. After the scandalous affair with the English Queen, which comes close to necrophilia, this new scandal has undermined his position to such an extent that he has to step back in favor of the brilliant minister of War, von Schlieffen. (St. Petersburg) The Czar denied rumors about having ordered the assassination of all independent reporters in Europe, because he still is not able to read between the lines. Fortunately most other European rulers did not agree and are said to even subsidize non-state-controlled Russian reporters. (Toronto) Exhibition hockey scores: Ottawa 2 Hamilton 2 Montreal 13 Quebec 1 Boston 4 New York 2 (Vancouver) The Canadian President alias butt-snatcher Trudeau Sr Sr Sr has declared war on England and has furthermore said that he will no longer accept 'that English tart' as a Head of State. Instead the French president, casanova Maurice '2 inches maximum' Richard, is to take over the vacancy. (Vienna) The Arch-Duke has announced today that the Austrian/French diplomatic relations have intensified despite the bad reputation of President Maurice Richard when it comes to loyalty. The Arch-Duke did not see this as a major problem as Tyrolian girls would ensure the president's fidelity. (Zurich) Price of Hockey Sticks tumble as more French flock to Canada to learn to play hockey. The deadlines! Winter '01 builds: Wednesday February 28, 1990, at 22:00 h (MET). Spring '02 orders and press: Sunday March 4, 1990 at 22:00 h (MET). Bye bye! Constantijn Wekx (cwekx@htikub5.bitnet) /----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ If you are interested in joining the fun here on Electronic Protocol, send mail to Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com including your name, address, phone, e-mail address, and country preference list. He will add you to the waiting list and get you into a game as soon as possible. \----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ***--*--*------------------Constantijn Wekx----------------------------------+ ** * *KUB-University Phone: (+31) 13 671914 Bitnet: cwekx@htikub5 | * * * Tilburg-Nederland UUCP: ...!mcvax!kubix!mad-2 Surfnet: kubvx1::cwekx | +-*--*-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Up