Re: call for duelmasters help

From: ben@abby.chem.ucla.edu

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 18:01:28 +0000

In article <1cngh9INN3kq@gap.caltech.edu>, johnjohn@cco.caltech.edu (John White) writes:
>In article <00962C26.CA04F3E0@abby.chem.ucla.edu> ben@abby.chem.ucla.edu
>writes:
>
>>Oo! Oo! Someone on my side...

>>(below, I mean, not JOhn...)

Sorry, I guess I'm having trouble following all those bird-beaks...

>But Ben, when you make an argument like that, you start from assumptions
>that everyone agrees on (or prove your assumptions), then work your way
>towards a conclusion.  In this case, I DON'T agree with your assumptions.
>I've had plenty of warriors who won consistently and learned horribly.

Sorry, I don't recall you disageeing with that assumption.  Would you  agree
that higher WT warriors tend to learn more if they win?  It was just an
example, anyway; It doesn't have to winning or long fights, just SOMETHING not
inherit to the 'learning' or 'teaching' warrior.
>
>In addition, I _have_ run 11-13 wit warriors, and no, they DON'T average > 2
>skills a fight...

Of course they don't.  They average 1 skill a fight.  But occasionally the
average more. (See Davids pud post)  In fact, whether you run dixies or not is
completly irrelevant.  In GENERAL, high WT characters learn much more, so of
course you should only run these.  I would say that most WT 13 characters never
amount to anything, but you never know...   Sometimes I just get sick of DAing
somany goddamn puds!  (I had to DA like 5 guys to get a 7-13-15-11-21-8-9 TP!
I'll probably kill him to, but hey, 8 skills in 3 fights... (1-2) )

>Heh, heh, heh.  Ben, remind me to show you this post in a year.  Maybe this
>is just something that you have to see for yourself.  Warriors like Demon's
>slasher, who learn, despite being just a power warrior, are few, and far
>between.  Let me just save this post...

Ahhh.  But they do EXIST.
>
>And ultimately, nothing much comes of those guys.  All warriors who win
>based on luck will top out at some point where people's skill happen to
>outdo thier luck.  This happened to Gerald's slasher when it got to AD.  It
>happens...

BTW, (excluding the TP above) I try to not run 13 WT warriors, but If I do I
least run high WL (17+), high DF (15+), so that they have SOME skill base, and
they might eventually be decent...  My bigest vice is 15 WT warriors.  To good
to DA (if decents WL/DF), but don't learn all that great... Boo-hoo.

>Wait, so your ultimate warrior would be a 13 wit TP?  I mean, why waste
>points on a 21 wit, when all you have to do is make a TP with long fights
>that wins a lot, right?  Right?  Wrong.  Well, let me rephrase that.  I
>don't buy it.  Do you really?

Don't be a ninny.  I have NEVER even gotten a 21 WT rollup. (maybe I should run
more teams...)  I just try to work a little with what I get.  None of this
prooves any thing, of course.  But at least if I make a 13 WT rollup a TP, I
can get some satisfaction from DAing him...

>I mean, I understand that we're trying to talk solely about skill learns
>here, but I should point out that generally, warriors with a higher wit end
>up with more skills than warriors who raise thier wit higher.  The starting
>skills effect.  Want to argue about that?

No shit? I know starting skills are a function of your stats, but I thought,
for example, you get 1 skill each in attack,init,decis,defense, and riposte fo
a 13 WT (plus skill from <13...), but if you trained, you got the same number.
I've never trained WT anyway...  Causes a loss in the maximum number of skills
you can learn, right; at least until you max out.  My view:  You get N skills
in each area for your starting stats.  You get a variable bonus to some of
these, and a minus to others, depending of Style and presumably , a random
roll (or luck factor, if that's your thing...)  While you are alive you can
learn, by skill training or stat training, a maximum of 20 skills in each area.
Once this maximum has been reached, you no longer learn skills by training
skills, but you can learn by training stats.   That's why, I was taught, if you
have a good long-term warrior, you train only skills, or stats like CN and ST
(actually I think ST gives you Attack and/or Parry at 4,7,15,17, and 21--These
numbers are from Dennis' charts...) until you get your 120 skills; then you
start training stats.

Ben
hitz@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.edu

References

Re: call for duelmasters help
ben@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Wed, 28 Oct 1992 13:52:41 +0000
Re: call for duelmasters help
johnjohn@cco.caltech.edu (John White)
Thu, 29 Oct 1992 01:59:05 +0000