Re: DM: How to run (and keep alive!) a waste

From: johnjohn@cco.caltech.edu (John Carlos White)

Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1993 09:24:01 +0000

900667c@dragon.acadiau.ca (Gerald Cameron) writes:

>dresnick@athena.mit.edu (David I Resnick) writes:

>I'd say these are the most important parts of the roll-up to consider in this
>case.  First of all I'd have gone PL or AB with those stats, but nothing can
>be done about that now....

AB?  Without the "required" 21 deftness?

>You have a problem in that this guy doesn't want to go defensive because he
>doesn't want to get hit, but on the offense he won't jump anything faster than
>another waste running about the same numbers, meaning he's liable to get hit
>anyways.  I'd say run with riposting in mind.  This isn't usually reccomended
>for wastes, but then again, most wastes don't have your skill base, either.

Hey, I do that all the time!!!  I had about three wastes with decent points
in ... well, looking something like this: 11-11-11-17-17-5-13 (I know that
doesn't add up, but some were minus a couple points in con or size).  I would
start out tanked up in ACM-H or APA-F, depending on the opponent, going
2-2-2-P or open and upping to about 5-2-5-x after the first minute.  My
total record with three TP's was something like 30-10.

>>I ran him in his first fight as follows:
>>2  3  4  4  5  3  2
>>4  5  5  5  5  3  4
>>2  3  4  4  5  3  2
>>RA---------------->
>>BD---------------->
>>N----------------->
>>P  -  -  -  -  -  P

>Not bad, but not quite what I've got in mind.  How about:
>5 10 8 6 6 6 2
>6  2 2 2 2 2 3
>5 10 8 6 6 6 2
>HE----------->
>AM or HE----->
>N------------>
>N----------> P

Daaaa!  Way to fast in my opinion!  10-2-10?!  What year are we playing DM
in?

>The first minute you try to parry the first attack or two, and riposte one of
>them, using your attack and Init to put offensives away, while you attack a bit
>to bide your time against defensives 'til minute 2 and on when you carve the
>shmoe up.

The first minute, you're going way too high in AL/OE to effectively parry,
and thus get hit way too often.  Then, your opponent goes into sustained
offense as the minute ends, and attacking an even less effective defender.
Pincushion city.  Possible death.  I just loooove fighting wastes that try
to attack.  Instant death.

>This is likely going to be counter to every other bit of advice you're likely
>to get, but it's likely what I'd try, at least until I see how it works, under
>these circumstances.

Yupyupyup.  That counters my advice pretty thorougly.  Basically, I'd play
it safe with god-type warriors.  Save jump-or-die tactics for the dixies.

>>ARM/H
>Try ASM/F, although your carying capacity might make it difficult.

Try ACM-H until you get Ex Parry.  Then try ARM-S til master.

>>with a slightly more offensive strategy (and I'm fighting him with
>>SC/ME, MS/ME, and QS vs light/medium/heavy armor).
>Good idea to go as light as possible on weapons until you're carry goes up.

I would stick with one weapons selection for all armors.  I would try SC-ME,
BS-ME, GA, BA, QS, MS, GS in that order, and hope that its one of the first
few.

>>Questions:
>>1) What are best styles for wastes to challenge?
>Strikers, strikers, and more strikers.  After that, any non-scum with bad
>attack in your case.

Not if you're going as offensive as Gerald suggests.  I would try to fight
any kind of striker as long as he's a speed machine, and not a maul-wielding
freak-of-nature.  And you're going defensive with a slow build-up.

>>3) I'm training CN in his next fight - if I don't get something
>>   indicating that his ability to take damage goes up a notch, is it
>>   worth training it again?
>I'd be looking to up carrying capacity, too, if I were you, but wait until
>after your first five fights.  That's when your skill learns are at their best.

I disagree.  I never found any statistical differense like the one you're
talking about.  Document it, and I might believe it.

John
-no cool .sig, but lots of cool advice

References

DM: How to run (and keep alive!) a waste
dresnick@athena.mit.edu (David I Resnick)
Wed, 03 Mar 1993 03:32:57 +0000
Re: DM: How to run (and keep alive!) a waste
900667c@dragon.acadiau.ca (Gerald Cameron)
Wed, 03 Mar 1993 17:12:08 +0000