Re: DM: Hallelujah! Good roll-ups for a change!

From: steve@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu (MORGOTH)

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 03:37:17 +0000

In article <C63tHC.EG1@ucdavis.edu>, itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes:
>In article <1993Apr25.175309.14277@rdii.com> jas@rdii.com (Jim Smith) writes:

>>3-3-12-14-15-10-13
>>
>
>The easiest way to keep a character alive is to win every fight.  That's
>sure fire.  And the best way to win every fight is to optimize the roll-up,
>and the strategy you use.  With this roll-up I'd go...

Can't argue with this, winning ever fight is the best way to stay alive and
become imortal fast.

>            TP
>ST  3 + 2 =  5
>CN  3 + 0 =  3
>SZ 12 + 0 = 12
>WT 14 + 3 = 17
>WL 15 + 2 = 17
>SP 10 + 3 = 13
>DF 13 + 4 = 17
>

Why a TP.  I thought the idea was to win every fight.  That means you have to
get the jump on people and attack.

>This roll-up could just as easily have been a piker, plunger, ripper,or
>aimed blow, but I chose total parry because it gives the best chance of
>winning the first five fights (and thus staying alive), the lowest

What about the fact that a lot of people will have GOD like offencives out
there that will eat this guy up and spit him out if he's standing there trying
to parry blows for two mins strait.

>endurance cost this side of the aimed blow, and the best use of the incred-
>ible defenses that the 17/17/13/17 combo is going to give you.
>
>5 strength allows use of the most popular total parry weapons: shortsword
>	and dagger, and shortsword and small shield (at least, most popular
>	for my parriers).  Of course, the Broadsword/Shortsword combo
>	is better, but for that you'd have to be a SZ 6, which you aren't.
>	I firmly believe that a 5 ST is enough for this roll-up.
>3 con is beautiful, just beautiful.  In conjunction with the 12 SZ, it
>	should give "cannot take a lot" (I think, I haven't checked it
>	against my tables) and the ability to take a blow without dying.
>	The 17 WL is a concern (he's more likely to hold out until the
>	deathblow falls), but with this roll-up, it's much better to
>	leave the points in other areas.
>12 size is pretty good for the offensive tp -- no penalties for large size,
>	and the bonuses for being able to take some damage. My best tp
>	was a SZ 14, so your size 12 is fine.
>17 wit is pretty much standard operating procedure.  I might be tempted
>	to try for the 21 wit, but you can't, so I stayed at 17.
>17 will is a sticking point.  21 will/13 deftness may seem to be a better
>	choice, but I chose 17/17 in the event that you get to AD.  In
>	that case, you could then train WT/WL/DF to 25 fairly easily and
>	quickly, whereas the 13 DF would be difficult to train.  Also, a
>	21 WL/3 CN character is *much less* likely to survive.  Mostly,
>	though, the 17 was just my personal preference without a lot of
>	reasons to back it up. :)
>13 speed enhances your defense, as well as your ability to riposte (a nec-
>	essary skill for this character).  This fighter is going to wear
>	his opponents down by letting them wear themselves out on his
>	shield, while occasionally nipping at them with ripostes.  His
>	fights will last 5-6 minutes, but without the good riposte, they'll
>	last longer and he'll inevitably lose.
>17 deftness is just too nice to pass up.  It gives attack and parry, the two
>	best skills in the game, as well as defense and riposte, which are
>	nice to have.  I like it enough to pass up the 21 will for it.
>
>I'd run this character in APL/H with SH/SM vs. all armor types.  I'd run
>him 2-4-2-Parry for the first 2 minutes, 3-5-3-None for the 3rd and
>4th, 4-5-4-None in the 5th, 3-1-3-None in 6thon, and 3-7-3-Riposte in
>desperation.  Train skills, and challenge the finesse styles (but avoid
>aimed blows).  Plungers, pikers, and rippers should never be a worry, and
>eventually lungers and bashers will make convenient targets.  Early on,
>challenge guys who are quite unlikely to kill you.  Specifically, look
>for other guys whose fights last 5-7 minutes, on average (but no one in
>the 10+ minute category).
>

In Plate this guy will have a hard time making it past 5 mins.  He'll never get
in an attack if he runs up against a fast offencive warrior.  How is he going
to win every fight.  This same roll-up would be a killer AB and running 10-10-6
for the first min would drop almost anything.  Sorry but TP is a REALLY bad
choice here.  TP will also loose steam fast in ADM.

Morgoth

Or kill me!

>
>Trump
>dfcleary@ucdavis.edu

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References

DM: Hallelujah! Good roll-ups for a change!
jas@rdii.com (Jim Smith)
Sun, 25 Apr 1993 17:53:09 +0000
Re: DM: Hallelujah! Good roll-ups for a change!
itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump)
Mon, 26 Apr 1993 18:46:23 +0000