Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary

From: gym@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Matthews)

Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1993 17:56:46 +0000

Graham Matthews <gym@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:
> > This seems to be something of a fundamental example. Now I have no
> > problems with you learning by experience that these 1-1-1-1-0 fighters
> > such. ie. you try them in a few games and they are useless. That is
> > after all realistic - that is how the character you represent in the
> > simulated reality would have to learn too. What I object to is you
> > reading the code/equations to find this out.  What the hell does that
> > simulate? Does anyone understand this point - I don't mean necessarily
> > agree with it, but actually understand the point?
David desJardins:
> No, I honestly don't understand it.  It's just so foreign to my way of
> thinking that I can't even understand how you can think this way.
>
> Say you are an engineer whose job is to design cars.  Imagine if you had
> to design a car by building it one way, then if it fell apart building
> it some different way, and repeating until it managed to stay together.
> Further imagine that all of the information on how to build the car
> without it falling apart was tucked away in your desk drawer, but locked
> up by your boss who has the only key, because he thinks that using the
> formulas instead of learning from experience would "not be realistic."

You are missing the point entirely. If I as a game designer wanted players
to be able to learn things about car making by some means other than
experience, then I would model those alternate means of learning in my
game. eg. I would have some notion of training in my game. This gives
an equal chance to everyone in the game.

Now do you understand the point? Its really very simple. A game to be a
good simulation should only allow players to learn things by a means that
the character they represent could learn in the "reality" being simulated.
This gives everyone the same information and something therefore of an
equal chance.

graham

References

Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary
gym@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Matthews)
Thu, 01 Jul 1993 11:40:27 +0000
Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary
Hel, Queen of LogeSpawn
Fri, 02 Jul 1993 16:43:13 +0000
Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary
gym@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Matthews)
Sat, 03 Jul 1993 16:31:08 +0000
Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary
desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)
Sat, 03 Jul 1993 22:10:46 +0000

Referenced By

Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary
gym@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Matthews)
Thu, 01 Jul 1993 11:40:27 +0000
Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary
Hel, Queen of LogeSpawn
Fri, 02 Jul 1993 16:43:13 +0000
Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary
gym@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Graham Matthews)
Sat, 03 Jul 1993 16:31:08 +0000
Re: PBM design and formulae - a summary
desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)
Sat, 03 Jul 1993 22:10:46 +0000