Re: ARENA: More ideas

From: jacobus@rock-opera.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan J. Maloney)

Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 21:14:01 +0000

In article <cinnibarCDIE4D.LG2@netcom.com> cinnibar@netcom.com (Jeff Wood) writes:
>>>1.  Since these are "attributes" that improve, and not true learning, then I
>>>don't see any problem.  If I don't win in the arena, then it's doubtful that
>>>I'm getting stronger, faster, or smarter.
>>
>>Even within the Arena framework, I doubt warriors seriously believe that
>>the winner is the one whose worked out hardest over the last week, rather
>>than the one whose strategy (and overall talents/abilities acquired over
>>years) won out.
>>
>>I like the idea of letting the loser develop, too, but it would excacerbate
>>the internet-junkie v.s. human-being dichotomy.  If we can think of a decent
>
>Personally, I'm against 'rewarding' the loser in any case.  For any given set
>of stats, there *is* a strategy that suits it..if someone compiles a
>(0-17) record, then I doubt they have learned anything yet...or at least,
>nothing they can prove.  When they finally, through trial-n-error, find
>a strategy that works, they'll start winning, *then* you have proof they
>are better.  They have learned from their mistakes and *are* better
>fighters now.  *That's* when you give them points, as their strategy makes
>their battles automatic, so they can start concentrating on improving areas
>of their combat (i.e, improved stats) and then they have to adjust their
>strategy to fit their new style, and so on.

Okay, then, so you are saying that the arena PLAYER is EXACTLY the SAME
person as the arena WARRIOR?  I thought that the designer has recently
made pains (in attempting to justify the virtually unlimited fights policy)
to state that the two are COMPLETELY separate.  In other words, although
the PLAYER may compile a better overall win record, that "really isn't
important" compared to the individual fighter.  All I say is to make it
so for other attributes as well.

Or is it actually true that the ONLY way to get stronger is to successfully
beat people up?

--
Bryan Maloney

References

Re: ARENA: More ideas
bonder@netcom.com (Bruce W. Onder)
Fri, 17 Sep 1993 00:17:02 +0000
Re: ARENA: More ideas
gunzler@netcom.com (Mitch Gunzler)
Fri, 17 Sep 1993 15:49:18 +0000
Re: ARENA: More ideas
cinnibar@netcom.com (Jeff Wood)
Fri, 17 Sep 1993 17:33:48 +0000

Referenced By

Re: ARENA: More ideas
bonder@netcom.com (Bruce W. Onder)
Fri, 17 Sep 1993 00:17:02 +0000
Re: ARENA: More ideas
gunzler@netcom.com (Mitch Gunzler)
Fri, 17 Sep 1993 15:49:18 +0000
Re: ARENA: More ideas
cinnibar@netcom.com (Jeff Wood)
Fri, 17 Sep 1993 17:33:48 +0000