Re: DM: Two Roll-Ups

From: hitz@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.edu (Benjamin Hitz)

Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:42:49 +0000

In article <CDztDu.M9C@ucdavis.edu> ez007195@dale.ucdavis.edu (Yeon Choi)
writes:
>:In article <1993Sep16.193802.139@dragon.acadiau.ca>
860099w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Martin Ward) writes:

Just for sheer entertainment, I'm going to argue pettily with some of the
points here.

Better point out first that Trump is a _much_ more experienced manager
than I am.
>:>
>:>Hmmm.  All kinds of ARENA postings.  Guess I'll have to start
>:>some DM discussion and what better way than with a roll-up...
>:>
>:>     13-5-4-18-10-11-9
>:>
>:>What would you do?
>:>
>:
>:If I had this roll-up, I would go this way:
>:
>:            SL
>:ST 13 + 2 = 15
>:CN  5 + 0 =  5
>:SZ  4 + 0 =  4
>:WT 18 + 3 = 21
>:WL 10 + 3 = 13
>:SP 11 + 0 = 11
>:DF  9 + 6 = 15
>:
>:Small characters are notorious for getting a) little damage, and b)
killed.
>:If you get little damage with this character, you should either DA
>:immediately, or just resign yourself to a horrendous losing record until
>:you get Master Attack.  I know, I've suffered through enough small off-
>:ensives myself (the only one I had any success with was a 17 ST SZ 4
>:Lunger, and even he only got normal damage).

Little Damage does suck.  But I might consider leaving the ST at 13, and
bumping the WL to 15.

>:This is the main reason I chose the Slashing style: the damage bonus.
>:This character might, *might* get good damage, but normal damage is a
>:better bet.  Normal damage usually isn't enough, but with the right kind
>:of attack precision (which a 21 WT 15 DF will hopefully give) this
mmight
>:be overcome.

Definitly.  With a decent attack, and not 'good' damage, you want Slashing
weapons!!!

>:Stat by stat:
>:
>:ST 15:  As I said before, you need a good ST in order to avoid little
>:	damage hell.  It also helps with encumbrance (should you choose
>:	to weear any armor.  I would go ALE/L: the best protection nto
>:	weight ratio, although it still doesn't give a lot of help).

You do get an attack and parry at 15, and it does give you the BA.  But
with that size, I would be _real_ suprised if you ever got out of Normal.

>:CN  5:  A 5 CN isn't very different from an 11 CN, and those points can
>:	go to more useful stats that give skills useful inthe Champs
>:	class, should you make it that far.

I'm not sure about this.  It's probably true for slashers, who have
basically zero defensive ability.  That 11 CN _might_ give you a chance to
riposte.  But I doubt it would make the difference in even 1/15-20 fights.
11 CN might keep you alive longer, but I still wouldn't add points to it.

>:SZ  4:  Nice size, but for a character like this hardly ideal.  I'd
>:	prefer to switch SZ and SP myself, as strange as that sounds.

Yeah, but the speed will help the Slasher.  If you put 6 points of SP into
WL...  (well, you'd have a good lunger).  I have a 13-5-4-17-17-13-15 LU.
Great Skills!  Doesn't hit too hard (normal damage), doesn't have the
greatest endurance.  10-6, 2 Masters and 2 Adexs.

>:WT 21:  Because you can.
>:WL 13:  A nice break point, and about all you need for the slashing
style.
>:	I've heard that some people like to give their slashers a lot
>:	of WL, but my best ones (the few, the proud, the survivors) have
>:	all had WL's in the 11-13 range.

15 is allegedly less of a breakpoint than 13.  Data others have collected
indicate you get _no_ skills at 13, but 3 or 4 at 15.  The trade off here
is WL and ST.  Higher WL, you last longer; higher ST, you hit harder.
_Assuming_ that this approximatly cancels, I would go for the WL because
you can train stats with it.  This guy has good enough stats to think
about things after he/she maxes out in skills.  (Also, it will be easier
to train the ST to 14 with a 15 WL... But there are 2 skills at 15 ST you
will lose if you train to it before you max out.)  I don't think that with
a 15/16 ST this guy will do good damage, and I suspect he'll do normal
with 13.

>:>This is what I think would be the best design
>:>
>:>     13-5-4-21(+3)-15(+5)-11-15(+6) Striker

This is too good a roll-up to waste on a ST (IMHO).  On the other hand, if
he does enough damage (and gets his learns), he'll probably TV (around
Adepts???), and has a shot a TC'ing.  Slasher don't TV as much, but
they're better in AD/Primus.

>:
>:>My brother had this roll-up: 4-12-13-9-16-5-11
>:>
>:>He decided on this: 5-12-13-15-21-5-13 Total Parry
>:>
>:>Maybe send it to the DA?
>:
>:Man, you sure are picky about your roll-ups!  DA?  No way.  Try this...

I would guess you'd have to DA 5-10 guys before you got another one even
this good!

>:ST  4 + 3 =  7 or  5 or  5
>:CN 12 + 0 = 12    12    12
>:SZ 13 + 0 = 13    13    13
>:WT  9 + 4 = 13    13    15
>:WL 16 + 5 = 21    21    21
>:SP  5 + 0 =  5     5     5
>:DF 11 + 2 = 13    15    13
>:
>:With this kind of roll-up, you've got two choices: Shortsword Lunger or
>:Small Shield TP.  Personally, I prefer the Small Shield TP because that
>:styles relies less on damage-doing and conserves endurance better, but
>:that's just my personal opinion.

Don't forget to give your TP's weapons!!!  At least make them try to
swing!!!  The advantage of a 7 ST over a 5 is that you can freely train to
14 without loosing a skill (There are skills at 7 ST -- 1 attack, 1 Parry)

TP's tend to learn quite well, even with 11 and 13 WT's.  I run 2 regular
AD teams, and this is better than about 1/2 of the 10 warriors...

Ben Hitz
(53,18,105 and 2 warriors in 52)

>:Trump
>:
>:"Alive and well and living in Lapur"

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Re: DM: Two Roll-Ups
ez007195@dale.ucdavis.edu (Yeon Choi)
Mon, 27 Sep 1993 03:22:41 +0000

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Re: DM: Two Roll-Ups
ez007195@dale.ucdavis.edu (Yeon Choi)
Mon, 27 Sep 1993 03:22:41 +0000