Re: Yet more DM rollups

From: hitz@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.edu (Benjamin Hitz)

Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 21:58:14 +0000

In article <1993Sep29.033641.29400@news.vanderbilt.edu> Andy Lipscomb
<lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> writes:
>:16-9-13-13-6-9 4
>:I!m thinking maybe a 21-9-13-17-7-10-7 basher... definite potential
there.

Well, I guess you'd have to make this a basher.  I would seriously
consider putting 4 or 5 from ST into SP.  You'll do less damage, but will
be faster.  Might hurt your endurance a bit too, but with the 7 WL, it
will be really low any way.  Either way this guy could blow serious
chunks.  He may not have the endurace to take down a TP or WS (he has hope
if he gets Tremendous+ damage), and he may be too slow to beat LU, SL and
other BA...  I have had very little sucess with _any_ low WL warriors, but
others have (you might want to consider a ST, although with a 7 DF his
attack rating will suck, suck, suck!) 17-9-13-17-7-14-7 SL is also
concievable.  Slightly better attack and decis(???) than BA, but DF will
hurt weapon selection (even though SL's weapons are better...)

>:15-7-10-10-6-12-13
>:17-11-10-10-6-17-13... probably a waste, but the speed might work better
>:for something like a pike.
>
The top line of stats totals 73, not 70.  Where did you put the 3 points?
Assuming they're not in WT , I would go:
15-7-10-15-6-14-17.  WS is 'classically' a high WL, low SP style.  My
guess is that this as a WS would fail miserably, but I've never tried it,
or heard of it being done...   Normal low will styles are ST, AB, PS, PR
(not necessarily in that order).  Less common are BA and SL.  I've even
heard of a 9 WL TP (21 WT).  is 6-0, and went 9 rounds in the novices...
I (almost) never add to CN, just use the 'native' value to help determine
the style of the rollup.  7 is plenty for an offensive, a bit low for all
but the best defensive (rollup, not style).  This would probably make a
decent (?) ST, but If you wanted you could try the others.  AB could be
fun!  Run very fast.  (AB almost never get tired...)

>:14-15-13-3-13-8-13
>:Ooh... I HATE short-termers, but the best I can think of for this one is
>:a 19-15-13-3-13-8-13 basher.

Kill it.  Again, you have way to many points (79) in the top line...
>:
>:10-7-10-10-6-15-17
>:Another ten-and-out type, but not as bad as the last...
>:13-9-10-11-11-15-17 linger or plunger, maybe...

75 points in the top line!!!!

I'm not sure 11 WL is that much better than 6.  For styles (LU, PL, WS, TP
esp.) where this makes a difference you should probably have at least 15
WL anyway...  I would ignore the WL and go:

Well, if you _can_ make the DF 21 (adding 6 or less) do so.  WT ->15, put
the rest in either SP or ST (don't really matter, but make SP even rather
than ST).  21 DF, low WL makes me think of PR or AB, but a ST would
probably be more sucessful... I'm partial to ABs over PR's--with a low WL
Only decent PR I ever had (killed at chi FTF) had a 17 WL.  ABs die _all_
the time.  Good ones, bad ones, fast ones, slow ones, spongey ones, they
all die....

>:4-11-14-12-9-9-11
>:Much nicer... I imagine a 7-11-14-17-11-11-13 aimer.

Hey!  It adds up!!!  13 DF is a little low for AB, but it's been done (I
would only do it if I had a 17 WT & WL, in which case, I would probably
make something else!!!)  Most people (myself included) add to WT, DF and
WL before even thinking about SP, ST or CN.  However, there are distinct
advantages to having at least a 7 ST...

17 WT is pretty automatic. (5) ST 7 (3) leaves 6 points.
7-11-14-17-9-9-17   (I)
7-11-14-17-15-9-11  (II)
7-11-14-17-13-9-13  (III)
7-11-14-17-11-9-15  (IV)

Intrinsically, these are all about equal.  Best long term potential is 15
WL (II), best skills is 17 DF (I).  I would throw out (IV), it's not as
good as I.  III. kinda splits the difference.  Then it becomes style
dependent.  To make a LU or PL, I would say II, and still want more WL.
For an AB or PR, I would go with I, or 5-11-14-17-13-9-15, maybe...
ST, probably 1. (keep ST a 7). PS or SL could be any, but 9 WL's pretty
low for a SL.  I have no idea if any of these would make a decent BA.
They generally suck (but there are good 'uns), anyway.  None of these are
ideal rollups for a TP or WS.  TP'S (allegedly) can get by with less than
7 ST.  For a TP (offensive, not scum, but don't ask me how to run him...)
I would go 5-11-14-17-15-9-13.  Traditionally, TPs and WSs have lower SP
(and 17+ WL) but there are exceptions.  (II) could possibly be a WS, I
have no idea if they can 'survive' with lower wills.

I hope I helped.  You are a new player?  If so, I recommend arenas 53 and
18

Ben Hitz

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Yet more DM rollups
Andy Lipscomb <lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu>
Wed, 29 Sep 1993 03:36:41 +0000