BSE Digest V1 #18

From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 01:44:37 +0000

BSE Digest              Wednesday, 30 November 1994    Volume 01 : Number 018

In this issue:

+       BSE: Inner Empire Trading Posts
+       BSE: QSN Update
+       BSE: QSN Update -Reply
+       BSE: Re: BSE- Another "Fuelish" I
+       [none]
+       Re: BSE: Re: BSE- Another "Fuelish" I
+       BSE: The Hand That Feeds
+       BSE: Cargo Master NEW SHIP
+       BSE: The Hand That Feeds
+       Re: BSE: The Hand That Feeds

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From: Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:54:39 -0500
Subject: BSE: Inner Empire Trading Posts

I think the trading posts are a good idea.  However, they will be
inherently unfair if only the IMPs and their chartered companies have
acces to them.  On the other hand, allowing IMP enemies liek the FOE to
use Inner Empire Trading Posts wouldn't make a lot of game sense.
Consequently, I'd like to suggest that there also be alien trading posts,
set up strategically around the game.  For instance, the Alliponians might
have a trading post (and, of course, the technology they offer might be
different from that offered by the IMP posts).  The Catrark might also
have a trading post.  And I'm sure there are alien races in the TC region
where having a trading post would make sense.

On another, related topic:  there are several special tech items (such
as the market receiver) that were developed under the old system of
research.  And, in general, these items were developed by various
species and governments (or chartered companies thereof).  I woudl
like to propose that these techs be made available at all trading posts.

Later,
Phil K.

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From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:32:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BSE: QSN Update

I guess I am the new QSN email propagandist.  For any answers to policy or
real issues, please talk to Tom Jackson (312) 287-4290.  I can only speak
the truth (?) of an issue.  BTW, if you feel like saving on your phone
bill, feel free to e-mail any QSN requests and I will pass it on to the
appropiate parties.

QSN ISSUES

1. We are not quite sure why the FGZ seem so huffed.  One of our colonies
recently defended itself, as part of a standard mutual defense treaty that
included several colonies on the planet, against a FGZ attack.  We regret
this unfortunate incident and recommend that future attackers please
reconsider attacks on QSN colonies and also check if target colonies on
worlds include QSN colonies and enquire on their current defense posture.

As to returning the BS's, Tom Jackson is the one to speak to.  I
personally could use one but I don't really get a vote.

2. We would like to ask the appropiate parties (ie WCE) to investigate
whether the FGZ broke laws and would like to formally ask for their help
if a law has been broken

3. The CARGO MASTER has been completed after 3 years of research at a
hidden research colony to be unnamed.  The new CARGO MASTERS make the
MERCHANTMEN look like a piker.  The QSN currently has a bunch of hulls in
Drell and are producing numerous CARGO MASTERS. Upgrades and new ships
are available.  Prices have not been set on these unique ship designs,
but any offers will be entertained.

Our general policy for CARGO MASTERS and other ship upgrades is to have
to determine a deal before coming to our shipyards as we usually require
you to bring us a load of necessary supplies when you come in for your
upgrade.

Richard W. Chiang
richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu or richc@ocf.berkeley.edu

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From: Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:45:31 -0500
Subject: BSE: QSN Update -Reply

Hi Richard,

The WCE cannot respond to your request without additional
information.  Specifically,

1.  In which system did this occur?

2.  Please list all the involved affiliations

This will allow me to determine if the incident could possibly fall under
WCE jurisdiction.  Assuming it does, indeed, fall under our jurisdiciton,
additional information requests may be forthcoming.

Lord Treyder
General Secretary, WCE

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From: "Russell Boggs" <Russell_Boggs@isisph.com>
Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:12:43 U
Subject: BSE: Re: BSE- Another "Fuelish" I

Reply to:   RE>BSE: Another "Fuelish" Idea

I think that FUEL is a very good idea for a different game.  If I were to
ever design a game, I'd use it, but I think that for BSE, it would be too
much of a patchwork add-on.  Plus, a large part of the appeal of BSE is that
it's relative easy to fly a ship, so large numbers of
non-technically-inclined people are interested in playing.  (i.e., more
targets (g))

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From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:11:46 CST
Subject: [none]

United Press Intergalatic
   News update

194-47   Applecore system

At a press conference held at ISP Jax, Star Admiral von Ludendorf announced
the following: An ITS freighter passing through Applecore observed a
destabilization of the Applecore sun.  The fluctuations in the magnetic field
of the sun matched those of the Canally suns just before they went nova. It
is believed that Applecore is about to explode.  All sentient beings are
advised to evacuate Applecore immediately.  Considering the damage done by
Canally suns when theywent nova (ISS colony Triad burned off of the surface
of Eolmy, for example), it is further advised that any affiliations having
valuable property in Applecore should remove it to a more safe star system.

Joe Bob Briggs,
UPI News

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From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 20:23 EST
Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE- Another "Fuelish" I

>        Reply to:   RE>BSE: Another "Fuelish" Idea
>
>I think that FUEL is a very good idea for a different game.  If I were to
>ever design a game, I'd use it, but I think that for BSE, it would be too
>much of a patchwork add-on.  Plus, a large part of the appeal of BSE is that
>it's relative easy to fly a ship, so large numbers of
>non-technically-inclined people are interested in playing.  (i.e., more
>targets (g))
>
>
>

Here! Here! I totally agree (except for the crack about targets. They are
potential information sources to me).

Capt Oshtkosh B'Gosh, Explorer

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 01:01:56 EST
Subject: BSE: The Hand That Feeds

To all,

I was just cruising AOL and, for a laugh, I entered the ABM section.  Know
what I found?  There's a new (player created) folder for complaints, gripes,
rants, etc.  Do you know who's replied?

Was it "bitter ex-(ex?)-BSEers" out to kick the dog?

Nope.

Was it worried Quest players looking for customer service?

Sorry.

Could it be Magic Island dudes wondering if they are in a game at all?

No way.

If you had selected any of the above possibilities, you'd have been
justified, but dead wrong.  The answer:

Mad as hell Tragic Card customers who are entirely dissatisfied with ABM's
service.

The shock and dismay almost made me spill my Sapphire Bombay - Glenfiddich
silver bullet....

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
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From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:09:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BSE: Cargo Master NEW SHIP

Due To the extensive messages concerning the cargo master.  Let me give
you a few details.

This ship is a 12-210-72.  Base Speeds up to 1.4 even for you no shift
humans.

Forget the old MERCHANTMAN.  Look at the CARGO MASTER.  It holds twice as
much and hey it is even faster.  After over 3 years of research, it is
available as select QSN shipyards near you.

Currently, we are delivering CARGO MASTERS at the homeworld in Drell.
And other locations are being considered.

If you have an deals, we should talk.  We'll take stellars.  We'll take
items.  We'll take tech.  Anything is negotiable.

If you want them, we have them.  Please order early as we except demand
to be high and you don't want to be at the bottom of the waiting list.

Richard W. Chiang
QSN Information

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From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 06:41:24 CST
Subject: BSE: The Hand That Feeds

Brad,
What all were these poor deluded card-players griping about in specific?
(this outta be good for a laugh!) Mike's secretary brush them off too like
us?

Steve

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:34:00 EST
Subject: Re: BSE: The Hand That Feeds

Steve,

Yeah, something like that.  It almost looked like they had crossed off "BSE"
from some old complaints and inserted "Magic".  You know, the usual:  "I called
two weeks ago Monday and they said they'd sent out my cards, last week they
said they would absolutely send the cards out this week, and this week they
say it'll be at least two more weeks."

Hmm...on second thought, it appears they've been SLIGHTLY more honest with the
Tragic folks.  What's amusing is that, while there might be some argument over
how mail-order business rules cover PBMs, there can be none for Tragic orders.
I begin to suspect that ABM's bad habits may get them into REAL trouble,
particularly if they are charging people's credit cards before shipment.
Note:  I do NOT know that's what they've done, but it's actually the way PBMs
work since they charge a set amount to create credits for you account on
items that have not (and may never) shipped yet.  If they are doing this with
the Tragic folks they're in for a shocker.

Be seeing you,

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