BSE Digest V1 #25 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 04:06:04 +0000 BSE Digest Monday, 5 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 025 In this issue: + Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN + Re: BSE: Research Colonies + BSE: Re: BSE- GENCON/ORIGIN + Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN + BSE: Virus Alert for America Online users -Forwarded + Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN + Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN + Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN -Reply + Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN + Re: BSE: Research Colonies See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mhughes@pms144.pms.ford.com (Mark Hughes) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 8:53:46 EST Subject: Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN I was in a local hobby shop last weekend and saw an item we might all want to consider purchasing for GENCON. Its a t-shirt with a big red circle and slash through the Magic: the Gathering logo and a subtitle "Anti-Magic zone: Magic cards not permitted in this area". Mark ------------------------------ From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 08:46:46 CST Subject: Re: BSE: Research Colonies Charles, I liked the first part of your proposal, the part about the limitations on security, militia, and such..., but I don't agree with the second part about research colonies having to declare a specialization. I don't think the University analogy is appropriate in this case. Research colonies are going to be controlled by governments or corporations, who are the ones who pay the bills and decide what will be researched and when. I do especially agree with you that research colonies should not be allowed to have more factories than crls though. Alan ------------------------------ From: "Russell Boggs" <Russell_Boggs@isisph.com> Date: 5 Dec 1994 08:12:57 U Subject: BSE: Re: BSE- GENCON/ORIGIN Reply to: RE>>BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN The T-shirt sounds fun, but if it uses the M:tG logo, it may very well be a licensed product. And if it's a licensed product, maybe it's being printed in Cohoes. Chilling thought, isn't it? - --Russ PS: The ex-football player The Boz used to market the circle-slash-Boz T-shirts that were being sold outside the stadiums he was playing in. ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 12:01:24 EST Subject: Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN Mark, Where can I get one? Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ "We are here to rescue Bob the Baboon from the clutches of the evil shampoo and lipstick overlords!" -Nietzsche >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 13:17:48 -0500 Subject: BSE: Virus Alert for America Online users -Forwarded I received this today, and thought I might pass it on. Phil K. Date: 12/05/1994 01:10 pm (Monday) From: James Batka To: All_Users, DDN."hopperj@dayton.saic.com", DDN."alan_schaar@dayton.saic.com" Subject: Virus Alert for America Online users I received thsi information from a reliable friend, although I do not know how reliable the source is. I am sending the information out anyway due to the potential consequences of ignoring the warning. Note that *RECENT* releases of most virus protection packages should catch this thing BUT it is better to not test them considering the consequences. The article recommends SAM for Mac users. I recommend f-prot by Fridrick Skulason (free when used privately). It is available at any SIMTEL mirror site (using ftp it is located at oak.oakland.edu, wuarchive.wustl.edu, etc.) NOTE to Alan S. and Jim H.: Please pass this on to all ASO since I don't have that capability from here. - ------------------- VIRUS.TXT follows -------------------- [17] From: "Pat McManus" <pat.mcmanus@sdrc.com> at SMTPLINK-Dayton 12/2/94 3:50P M (1862 bytes: 41 ln) To: Jim Batka at dayton.saic.ccmail, jbatka@nova.wright.edu at SMTPLINK-Dayton, X94BATKA@WMICH.EDU at SMTPLINK-Dayton, batk@midway.uchicago.edu at SMTPLINK-Dayton, jbatka@freenet.columbus.oh.us at SMTPLINK-Dayton, ah720@DAYTON.WRIGHT.EDU at SMTPLINK-Dayton, jordan.mcmanus@uc.edu at SMTPLINK-Dayton, mmcma@orbital.com at SMTPLINK-Dayton, mike.mcmanus@ftcollinsco.ncr.com at SMTPLINK-Dayton, mcmanunp%sleepy.sd@sd_prod7.wpafb.af.mil at SMTPLINK-Dayton, Slattery@cim.cdc.com at SMTPLINK-Dayton, zach.taylor@smtp.metsci.com at SMTPLINK-Dayton, DARATHOMPSON@delphi.com at SMTPLINK-Dayton Receipt Requested Subject: FWD>New virus alert - ------------------------------- Message Contents ------------------------------- Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>New virus alert Hi All! I just got this at work today and thought it may be of some use to family and friends as well, so for what it's worth... Pat - -------------------------------------- Date: 2 Dec 1994 15:23:52 -0500 From: "machelp" <machelp@qmcin1> Subject: New virus alert To: "All Offices" <all_offices.list@sdrc.com> New virus alert 12/2/94 3:15 PM We received the following information and wanted to provide a 'heads up' for anyone who may be involved. "There is a virus on America Online being sent by email. If you get anything called "Good Times," DON'T read it or download it. It is a virus that will erase your hard drive." Mac users who have SAM (Symantec Anti Virus - Macintosh) loaded and a virus definitions file with a creation date of March 30, 1994 should not experience any problems. If you have any questions, please call the ISG Help Desk at x2690. The following systems will be affected: [ ]VAX/VMS [ ]Unix [ ]Network [ ]IBM [X]Mac/DOS PC's ------------------------------ From: "Eric R. Ziemer" <ziemer@Mcs.Net> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:39:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN GenCon is almost always held in Milwaukee at the convention center in late August (usually about the 20-25 sometime...it's a weekend and the day or two before). TSR has the exact info, so stop the next rabid D&D player you meet and ask. Eric R. Ziemer | Opinions expressed should not be attributed ziemer@tmn.com or | to any other person or organization. ziemer@mcs.com | Some days I don't even claim them myself! Chicago, IL | "IT'S ALL DONE WITH SMOKE AND MIRRORS!" ------------------------------ From: "Eric R. Ziemer" <ziemer@Mcs.Net> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:57:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN One thing that puzzles me. In this group I keep seeing our erstwhile friends Mike P. et. al. associated with the Magic game. But everything I've seen attributes MTG to some outfit called Wizards of the Coast, or something like that, out in Oregon. So what's the connection? Eric R. Ziemer | Opinions expressed should not be attributed ziemer@tmn.com or | to any other person or organization. ziemer@mcs.com | Some days I don't even claim them myself! Chicago, IL | "IT'S ALL DONE WITH SMOKE AND MIRRORS!" ------------------------------ From: Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 14:04:56 -0500 Subject: Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN -Reply Hi Eric, ABM is a major distributor of Magic: The Gathering cards. In fact, I saw an ad in a gamecard-collecting magazine that gave a toll-free number for calling ABM to order those damned things. B/T/W: Are you back in BSE, or what? Later Phil Krauskopf ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 19:23 EST Subject: Re: BSE: GENCON/ORIGIN >I was in a local hobby shop last weekend and saw an item we might all want >to consider purchasing for GENCON. Its a t-shirt with a big red circle and >slash through the Magic: the Gathering logo and a subtitle "Anti-Magic zone: >Magic cards not permitted in this area". > >Mark > > > Sure but we need to all have BSE related ballcaps to wear with them. My ISP cap is long gone unfortunately but I think I'll try to make me a WCE one. :`) ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 19:25 EST Subject: Re: BSE: Research Colonies > >Below you will find some idea's about research colonies. Don't all scream at >once, >as I can only read so fast. > > I am also looking at that governors who want to turn their colony into >a research colony because the are reaching the limit of the number of >factories that the can support with the mineral resources that they have. >One of those governors happens to be me with SMS Phaedrus. If I can keep my >morale at 65-70 I could still run almost all of my 450+ factories while >still being a research colony. > >Research Colonies Limitations > Agree > - Only 3 Maintenance Complex's Agree > - Only 3 Repair Complex's Disagree > - Security complex's are only 50% effective Neutral > - Security complex's are only 80% effective Disagree > - No shipyard complex's How in the world are you going to research a new ship class without a shipyard? Perhaps you could limit the class of shipyard? Neutral > - Agents have a 25% better success rate Disagree > - Security crackdown is 30% less effective Agree > - Security crackdown has 20% more morale damage Agree > - No thorlium coating on ships Disagree > - Less effective space damage If the weaponry is there, it's manned by the same grade of people as in other colonies and should dish out the same levels of damage. Disagree > - Less Ground forces allowed Maybe over a certain level causes some morale decrease but no limits on what can be there! Neutral > - No militia allowed Agree > - No militia allowed unless the affiliation/govt is at war. Neutral > - Surrenders easier when attacked Agree > - must have more CRL's than factories. Neutral > - Must have 2:1 ratio Disagree > - Must have 3:1 ratio > > The above represents that you now have a large amount of eggheads >in your colony who don't like the military, security they believe is a joke >or something to be broken, and doing manual labour is for undergraduate >students or people who didn't go to college. They want to spend all of their >time in the lab, or telling other people how great they are doing. I think that your degradation of military capabilities is groundless. I'm sure that it might mirror that conditions in the US on college campus' but significant research has been done in significantly secure locations in the US as well as other areas of the world without anything that would indicate the levels of degradation you have inflicted IMHO. > >I think that we should also have to designate what type of research colony >we want to be. > > IE Ground Weapons > Space Weapons > Ship Design/Modifications > Drugs/ Luxury goods > Mining/Processing > Production > Biomedical/Chemical > Plus more > > > The reason behind this is that major universities specialize. It takes >a lot of resources to make a good biomedical research university. These >people >are not going to just turn around and research "Quarks" with out having to >change personnel, equipment, buildings. I am not saying that they can't but >their chance of success will be lower that of a university that specializes >in "Quarks". How about a research colony can choose 1 area of specilization for each 2 classes of size the colony has. If the colony has specialized, it takes a 20% hit to it's research in non-specialization areas and a 10% bonus in those areas it has specialized in? > > >Charles Middleton > > Chip Charnley ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V1 #25 ************************ To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-bse-list": subscribe bse-digest local-bse-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "bse-digest" in the commands above with "bse-list". Referenced By Up