ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #2

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From: DBS%MP003@mpa15ab.mv-oc.unisys.com
Date: 20 JAN 95 08:38
To: <atl-players@tango.rahul.net>
Subject: [ATL]: Komarken Tribune
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Komarken Tribune
January, Year 1
Issue 1, Volume 1

EDITORIAL COMMENT ON THE RECENT KOMARKEN CHRONICAL POSTING

Nice try ANL (are we supposed to read something into the missing 'a').

The Alliance for Brutal Subjugation, Torture And Intense Narcissism
(ABSTAIN for short) has already claimed Komarken.  The thirteen
members (nice number, huh?) of the alliance deeply resent your
statements as we intend to pillage the area mercilessly, leaving
the bodies of any who oppose us in fetid, fecund, festering piles
as a monument to their fatuous folly (I just love alliteration,
especially when its redundant).  One of the members of ABSTAIN,
the glorious Sark de Sombreville, was heard to say "I hope they
resist, that way we can make them suffer more" (supply your own
french accent).

Long live a bloody Atlantis     P-)

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: ATLANTIS : Re: Already sick !
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Gurwan writes:

(cut)

> The Council
> of Komarken should not have threatened anyone. The idea was good,
> but the wicked way in which these people are trying
> to create a totalitarian region makes me sick !

Hmm, maybe they have jumped the gun, but if they can make it work - then good
for them...however, remember these points :

Everyone is scared they're gonna get decked.

If anyone starts causing trouble, everyone else will probably team up on
	them (because they cause the biggest threat).

If you cause no trouble, you will probably get none!

Some people obviously played Atlantis 1, and some (like me) are eagerly
awaiting their first turn. I imagine that most people won't risk their whole factionin a couple of scraps at the beginning - it's a waste of money and study
time.

Good luck friends!

Jon. 	Aka : Lord Viper, high priest of the Cult of Sith.

u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk

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To: Peter Fleming <pfleming@eros.otago.ac.nz>, atl-players@tango.rahul.net
From: bartlett@dorsai.dorsai.org (Chris Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Banking
Cc: atl-players@tango.rahul.net

Actually, this is something I've also considered doing, but it would
require the cooperation of several allies, so I guess here's my allies
wanted post.

Consolidated Trading and Distribution would like to offer the services of
banking, venture capital investment and securities to the other lords of
Atlantis.  To do this, we will need help, as banking at minimum requires:
1.  A substantial capital reserve.
2.  A strong base of operations in a dangerous world.
3.  A strong military force to enforce the repayment of loans, etc.
4.  The confidence of its investors.

The capital reserve is CT&D's responsibility, but in order to create it,
strong partners who could bring a well-designed military force to the table
would be required, and in time other investors would become crucial.

Services we could offer:

1.  Lending money at reasonable rates.
2.  Providing a secure place to store your money against that war, or
bandit raid, or attack of a creature when having your total reserve on hand
might be a liability.
3.  Direct investment in large projects, such as the creation of merchant
fleets, armies, navies, etc.
4.  Economic enhancement of Atlantis.
5.  A storehouse of wealth to be used to counteract the inevitable tyrant
who will arise, and a means of counterbalancing force with wealth in an
efficient, well-centralized fashion.

If these ideas appeal to you, let me know.  Contact faction 78,
Consolidated Trading and Distribution c/o bartlett@dorsai.org.

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From: mosherj@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Joshua Mosher)
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Council of Komarken (NE of Atlantis city)

At 11:53 AM 1/20/95, Anders wrote:

>Komarken Chronicle
>January, Year 1
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Welcome to this new paper who will bring you information about the
>happening in Komarken. This first number only contains some information
>from the local goverment.  In the future this paper will be sent out
>as a supplement to the Atlantis times. Peace in Atlantis!
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>
>AGREEMENT OF SAFETY AND PROTECTION OF THE KOMARKEN REGION
>
>  The city council of Komarken have accepted an offer of protection of
>peace and order by the Alliance of the Northern Lights (ANL) in order to
>ensure the prosperous continuity of trade and commerce in the Komarken
>region (The City of Komarken and any nearby region of importance to the
>commerce in Komarken).
>   ANL agrees to use whatever means necessary in order to retain good
>conditions for the trade in the Komarken region.
>
>  The city council of Komarken gives ANL right to judge who will be
>allowed to enter and make trade in Komarken. Also ANL gets the right to
>make up any rules concerning the trade and order necessary to ensure
>peaceful profit making conditions in the Komarken region.

[and so on]

Anders,

Isn't it a _tad_ early to start claiming territory, especially cities with
heavily armed NPC guards? Let's not get in the habit of landgrabbing,
especially when not one person has seen the outside of Atlantis city.
Otherwise, we are going to get a rash of people saying that they claim 10
hexes somewhere around Abernethy or whatever. Perhaps we could all agree
that no one will claim what they can't hold--at least until they _want_ to
start a fight! :^)

Let's hear it for peace and harmony (at least until there's some call for
competition).

Josh Mosher

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:23:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Beads <landt@acf4.NYU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Mailing List Use
To: OLIVERG@carleton.edu
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On Tue, 17 Jan 1995 OLIVERG@carleton.edu wrote:

>
>
> Suggestion:
>
> If you have a question about game rules and mechanics, send it to the
> moderator, not the mailing list. If your question reveals an error in the game,
> the moderator can send his answer to the mailing list and let everyone know.

> However, if it doesn't reveal an error, the moderator only has to mail you
> an answer. Obviously, this makes it easier for players to manage mail.

Agreed.  I love to get mail as much as the next guy.  But this sudden
barrage is just a bit rediculous!  :-)

> On the other hand, if you have an opinion about game rules and mechanics, then
> I say aim at the mailing list and let fly.

Actually, I believe mechanics might better be held on the design list
Geoff mentioned in an earlier note.

Beads

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