ATLANTISv2 atl-design-digest #1

From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)

Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 23:45:48 +0000

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>Hello all,
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From: Mike Blaser <mab@kcc.co.uk>
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>Hello all,
> I have created a filter that will pack a group of emails into a
>post to rec.games.pbm.

Great idea, but what about those of us who do not have access to
r.g.p?

Nice try but no banana

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:24:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel Percival White <dpwhite@THUNDER.LakeheadU.CA>
Subject: Riding - one little question...
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Hi,
	I don't have time to check this, but I'm curious - does the riding
skill benefit against someone in a tower/citadel??  If so, how does being
mounted on a horse help in an attack against someone holed up in such a
structure?...

Daniel.

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 20:02:02 -1812
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From: bartlett@dorsai.dorsai.org (Chris Bartlett)
Subject: Atlantis design: banking and trade.

Hi all.  Some or all of you will have seen my faction's post about
creating a banking system on the players' list.  An astute person replied
with the following concerns, some of which are design issues.

1.  There is no mechanism for direct player-player trade.  As it stands,
two units wishing to exchange silver for swords for instance must issue
blind give orders, which raises the chance of dishonest proceedings and
creates a problem for traders.  It would be nice if the following orders
existed:
buy from <unit> <amount> <item> for <price>
and
sell to <unit> <amount> <item> for <price>

Each participant in such an exchange would have to issue the proper orders
for the exchange to take place.  Example: Unit 11 has agreed to sell 20
wood to unit 15 for 1000 silver.  Unit 11 would issue the order:
sell to 15 20 wood for 1000
and unit 15 would issue the order:
buy from 11 20 wood for 1000
If the orders didn't match in any field, the transaction would not take
place, and the wood and silver would remain in the hands of their
respective owners.

2.  Since the town merchants only accept cash, money loaned out would have
to be in cash, meaning that as soon as it was spent it would disappear from
the monetary system.  Since the merchants don't really spend money except
to buy things, money is not conserved and any system would necessarily fail
due to this hemoraging.  I'm not sure what can be done about this.

His other concerns were more of a game nature and not within the scope of
this discussion.  What do you all think?

Chris Bartlett

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:26:06 -0500
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From: mosherj@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Joshua Mosher)
Subject: Re: Atlantis design: banking and trade.

At 8:02 PM 1/20/95, Chris Bartlett wrote:
>        Hi all.  Some or all of you will have seen my faction's post about
>creating a banking system on the players' list.  An astute person replied
>with the following concerns, some of which are design issues.
>
>1.  There is no mechanism for direct player-player trade.  As it stands,
>two units wishing to exchange silver for swords for instance must issue
>blind give orders, which raises the chance of dishonest proceedings and
>creates a problem for traders.  It would be nice if the following orders
>existed:
>buy from <unit> <amount> <item> for <price>
>and
>sell to <unit> <amount> <item> for <price>

I think something like this would be a great idea--although I might suggest
that it should only work in Towns or Cities, since only they have markets.

>2.  Since the town merchants only accept cash, money loaned out would have
>to be in cash, meaning that as soon as it was spent it would disappear from
>the monetary system.  Since the merchants don't really spend money except
>to buy things, money is not conserved and any system would necessarily fail
>due to this hemoraging.  I'm not sure what can be done about this.
>
I don't know if this is a true problem. The merchants buy as well as sell.
A sensible player, just as in real life, is not going to use a loan for
consumer goods but for capital to improve income. For example, a war
faction might take out a loan, buy swords, and start taxing. The income
from taxes would in time replace the money spent to buy from the merchants.
A Trade faction could buy recruits to produce iron, horses, bows, whatever,
that can be sold to pay off the loan. A Magic faction could study and then
sell his services (or maybe there are magical sources of income!). I just
don't see this hemorhaging effect.

Josh Mosher