Quest Digest 24/1/95

From: ">>-Josh->" <J.P.Gallagher@durham.ac.uk>

Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:00:38 +0000

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JPG> Okay, so it's very *early* on the 24th, but still it is the 24th
nevertheless.  Here it is again, the Quest digest!  A quick recap on the
basics for new people and Rogerio :)
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JPG> If you sent anything over the weekend and it hasn't appeared here,
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JPG> Now on with the posts!
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 12:33:51 MEZ
From: Roland Ottl <ui99@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>

RO> MONSTERS: I always wonder why the monsters encountered are so
weak. I'm talking about the humanoid races. When you encounter
dwarves thery are so easy that you begin to wonder why your own DFs
are so powerful. Wouldn't it be better to have those dwarves being
fighters, priests etc themselves with the same stas as your PCs ?
Then you would think twice about attacking a bunch of 8 dwarves. How
about elves. Elves are without doubt the most powerful mages...yet
when you encounter them you never have to face any spells. I guess
you get the idea. At least the humanoid creatures should have
professions.

RO> WOUNDS: Stefan made aslight mistake: Light hurts:1-5 damage,
Injuries: 6-10, Wounds: 11-15, Serious Wounds: 16+. Furthermore, each
character has what I call a Strength of Blow. This is the EXP gained
when dealing out damage. However you only make this SOB-AR of foe
damage. Believe me: this is sure. I'm a kind of maniac with rules,
and I've wrenched my mind for several years to get behind this stuff.
At least with my groups it's 100% true.

RO> TRAINING: Training other groups would be fine. I also like the
idea of this being more successful. As far as I know you only get
about 2 points skill when training your PCs with other PCs...really
not worth the orders. Anyway, if this training of other groups is
implemented how do you think to handle the money transfer. Face the
truth: there are some cheaters among us who would not pay for their
training...paying in advance ? Well, then the trainer might not meet
his part of the treaty. You see...I'm of the suspicious lot.

RO> DUNGEONS: I'm playing quest now for more than 5 years and in this
period I've been twice in a dungeon...and that very short. I find
them very boring. Using whole turns just to explore a room ? I think
this is a waste of orders. Therefore it would indeed be nice to see
some improvements here. See Stefan's ideas for more.

RO> ALIGNED CITIES: Very good idea. But I would like to see more
difficulties for thieves in all towns.

RO> THIEVES: I agree with several guys here. There should be another
routine in the robberies. Right now you can rob and the worst that
might happen is to be thrown out of town. We all have evaded this by
making the last order a L (town number). So you see, it really isn't
much of an improvement. Anyway, I think there should be the
possibiltity of being caught, ie put to jail. Someone mentioned that
the party would need to make a quest for the town...nice idea. I
believe it should really be an annoying quest...not just simply
killing a creature: that takes max 2 turns. Getting a certain
equipment from another town is far more annoying. Alternatively you
could charge the party with a HIGH sum.

RO> FIGHTERS: It's true that fighters are the least interesting PCs
in the game. My priests got their ace skill far earlier than the
fighters...they just get more EXP. So once you have your skills at
ace level you really don't need those fighters anymore. True, they
have higher TO in the beginning, but there's always the strength
skill. I don't see any real advantage of the fighters SK stat. It's
said that damage in melee is dependant upon SK...so far I haven't
noticed that my fighter does more damage than my priest (I made the
mistake of having an EF, thus my HP has the same TO, same weapon
etc). How about making the fighter SK a direct damage bonus (divided
by ten) ? Or how about granting them additional attacks per round at
high levels of proviciency (needing further weapon training of course
!). I think this would make the fighter far more interesting. Right
now I do prefer DP rather than DF !

RO> NPCs: I think they are quite useless right now. Agreed they do
have something to say, but mostly it's not very helpful. I like that
idea of the FOLLOWERS. This would certainly make oneself more
concious of those folks. Having one follower for every member in the
alliance sounds fair to me. Generally as mentioned above, I'd like to
see more powerful NPCs. How about powerful mages with whom you might
trade spells ? Travelling merchants who offer some useful items for
cheaper prices ? These would be able to be robbed...but the merchants
are guarded...uhoh...I see another type of quest coming: escorting a
merchant. How about a mighty hero who challenges ONE of your members
to a duell (though I don't know how to program that !). How about
NPCs joining you for a certain quest. Thus you could hire a bunch of
mercenaries for an especially difficult task, like those artifact
quests mentioned in one of the latest Digests.

RO> QUESTS: Generally I agree with Stefan. The current quests get a
bit boring after some time. How about offering only 10 quests per
party per turn. Thus you would be forced to move one after 10
completed quests. I've seen groups that hang around in certain towns
for ages, robbing and making TQs and nothing else. Most of the time I
try to force them out of the city: my thieves are so bad...there are
always fights when I make the Steal order.
Anyway, the TQ should be more specific. Why do you get the task to
kill a monster from the temple of Novala ? She's supposed to be the
goddess of peace. The current TQs on offer should be offered only in
the warlike temples. Some suggestions: Baldor quests: travelling to a
near village and cast a certain number of 103, because there's a
plague spreading ? Molwanh: trying to force all parties out of town
by casting lots of 603 (as far as I know you can't enter a suburb
wrecked by insanity). Novala: Trying to steal, rob a certain precious
item from a monster, merchant etc. Phyloqure: trying to retrieve a
certain tome from the depths of a near dungeon. Ythcal: locating
every NPC in town and killing him as part of a sacrifice ritual. I
guess you get the idea.
I also like that idea about those real high level quest, ie artifact
quest etc. Retrieving a powerful object and donating it to your
temple (thus you wouldn't need to invent new, powerful objects...the
fame gained has to be enough) from a powerful monster (see BEARERS
and CHAMPIONS mentioned in the last Digest) would be great indeed.
ETC. (I leave now...I'm getting hungry !)
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:26:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: "R.Harrison" <cm3292@scitsc.wlv.ac.uk>

JPG> I presume this was sent to me to go in the list... otherwise than
that I don't know why it was sent to me!  This was also sent to Steve as
well.

Steven Fairbrother & J.P.Gallagher,

The  fees of 30,000 and 50,000 gold for alliance Hq's are  totaly
out  of  order.  They will specifically destroy  the  Brotherhood
Alliance   on  Crasi-World.   I  have  rung  up  Andy  Smith   to
expostulate vigorously - But got no joy.  I will also be  writing
to him, as will many other Alliance leaders.
If  Andy does not change his attitude, the Brotherhood  will  "go
underground"  i.e. continue as usual completly without  reference
to your computer program.  Which would be a shame since you  have
obviously put a lot of time, thought and effort into it.
Please give your thought, soonest.

Yours sicerely
Richard Harrison Brotherhood Information Officer

For

Rob Kennedy Lord High Brother
8 Church Meadow
Alpington
Norfolk
NR14 7Ny
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:36:44 +0100 (MET)
From: Cyrille Blaise <Cyrille.Blaise@scinfo.u-nancy.fr>

One question for everyone :
CB> Everybody's talking about great new stuff about alliance,
but is there anyone who knows when this is going to be
effective ?
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:34:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris Clarke <ctc@coventry.ac.uk>

> >From: Niall Davis <davis@unixa.clp.ac.uk>
> CC> I always use a high charisma HP (60+), some times I get 60 gps
> orcs, others 680 Jackel.
>
> Well I always use a hight charisma HP as well 60 or 70+ but I also
> use a luck spell beforehand. I've found that I get some stupid
> done so many quests. I dont know if its a bug or something but
> today I was offered a quest to buy an Item. Now I dont know
> back. Anyone know how much a Religious Book costs?? I'm not
> complaining aboput paying 5000.

CC> About 5000 for a Religious Book is about right. OK, depending on how far
you've got to go to fetch it. And how much your travelling costs will be.

> CD> going on about limits to TQs and LQs
> I object strongly to having the TQs capped, I do however agree
> that they should be in some relation to the monster(s) hunted.

CC> Yeah, but most of them are rubbish. I've got a 90 turn old group with
seven fighters on ACE and 5 priests at Superb being offered 60 gps for
one orc! Come on!

> > JPG>The price for .... spell components need bringing down....
>
> Sorry but here I disagree again. Mages can become phenominally

CC> I disagree with ... erm I agree that spell prices need reducing. KJC
Games 12 onwards (or maybe 14 onwards) all have all reagents at 40 to 60
gps. While in the earlier games prices can be over 120 gps. OK the powder
pack was very welcome and I have groups which can afford the 750 gps per
pack, but newer groups won't. Bring individual reagent prices down in line
with the later games, I say.

> JPG>  I spent ages without money enough to develop my mage because I
> somewhere about losing energy in casting would help stop mages doing too
> much.

CC> They do lose powerpoints when casting spells! I lost 55 power when I
cast Teleport III (over 15 characters)!

> >From: Paul Noble <editor@elbon.demon.co.uk>
> PN> Is any of youz going to the Leeds Pub meet on the 4th of Feb?

CC> What pubmeet? Eh? Explain ...

> PN> RF metioned that perhaps it should be made inpossible for
> strong parties to engage weaker ones, if this happened surely
> we'd see a proliferation of pissy little groups just following
> strong groups and robbing off them without consequence as we see
> to a smaller consequence already in settlements. No group should
> be immune to attack unless they cannot initiate combat as well.

CC> Absolutely. I agree newer groups need protection from hostile older
groups, but if they initiate combat against a friendly older group just
to gain experience they deserve a kicking.

> PN> Perhaps with the introdution of flagged immune groups then
> city combat should be relaxed so full combat and spell casting

CC> No. Settlements should be safe areas. It is possible to initiate combat
in towns, but they should be as safe as possible. You go into towns to
change armour and recuperrate - not to get attacked.

> PN> RF also says that Fighters have little place in the world as
> it stands, perhaps the fighters from the party should be allowed

CC> Wanna take my groups on, hand to hand <EG>

> THE RKM
> NB> Does anyone remember these guys?  I had something to do with them
> when I last played, and was wondering if anyone out there had any
> stories regarding them and the good ole days.  It would be great to
> hear from you.

CC> Yes, I remember. Attacking new groups, doing the old "Join us or die"
routine. Being kicked off the G8 editorship because you would prefer to
print the messages/ads for your allies than your enemies. Your behaviour
was the perfect example of why newsletter editors shouldn't be members of
an alliance. The only thing bigger than your ego was other players'
distaste of you. But I'm not one to hold a grudge, you understand ...

> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:17:35 MEZ
> >From: Kai Hortmann CHBRIN5@NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE
>
> What is the best way to increase a fighters skill? My fighters seem to

CC> Only way to increase skill is to have lucky hits. Buy Weapons Skill to
increase ability (shows under I99).
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 13:39:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Chris M. Dickson" <chris.dickson@keble.oxford.ac.uk>

CMD>	I don't know if this is general policy or just a special favour (I
suggest the former rather than the latter) but did you know that it is
possible to request whereabouts in Kharne your start-up party is? I have
sent off for a start-up party in a new game, and specified that I would like
it to be in the south-west. The start came today and it was situated in the
city on the very south-western tip! A friend asked a very similar thing and
he got a start-up in the same city...
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 17:18:48 GMT
From: Paul Noble <editor@elbon.demon.co.uk>

PN> Sorry, the pub meets on the 18th =) my mistake. As to the
talker meet, great! Will you pay my phone bill?

PN> I talked to the infamous James Mintram (he threatened to get a
PC and join us! =Q ) and he had hassled KJC (wow!), they said
they where implimenting the alliance routines today! The info
sheet about it will be typed up early next week. James says
he'll fax the stuff to me, as soon as that happens I send it in.

PN>About the immunity party flag, will it stop them casting
spells on other groups and also stop other groups casting upon
them? If not it's severly flawed, you could just Black Void a
party to dust.

PN>Has anybody had a group utterly wiped out down to the last
man? I'd be curious to see if you could perform any orders.

PN> Concerning the Alliance headquarters could you rob your own
shop?

PN> Oi JPG! you missed out my RKM query! Or is it policy not to
discuss the groups of others? Just in case you missed it I'll
reprint. What happened to the G1 RKM group named Crimson Death?
If this has already been printed then excuse my utter stupidity
in missing it.

JPG> Sorry Paul!  I didn't mean to miss it out... sometimes I make these
editorial mistakes... well, it's in now anyway!

PN> The stupidest things I have done in quest are:
A) Went after a Fire Elemental with only CMs for protection, a
30% flee factor and after I lost 2 guys I realized I hadn't
inputted my TQ acceptance order properly, it was for 720 per
person, my 3 TQ.
B)I gave James Mintram my phone number.
C)Joined an alliance, promptly went to a hot spot, was accused
of being a spy and then blatting a member.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 19:43:32 +0100 (MET)
From: Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@stud.unit.no>

Changes I would like to see in Quest.

Combat:

The way the battles are handled in Quest as of today has two major faults:

1. 'Missile-and-mages-only' groups with a low flee factor is virtually
     to fight for fighter based groups - one round of missiles and magic and
     they're gone before the fighters can get to them.
  2. By using Steal instead of Engage a fighter based group can quite easily
     circumvent another party's magic and long-range offensive power.

Now, it may seem as if these two faults more or less cancels each other - but
that is not the cause. While the hit-and-run tactics work for both
planned and unplanned encounters, the botched-steal must be planned.
Also, the botched-steal tactic is still inefficient against hit-and-run
groups as they'll take off before you can do any serious damage to them.

Now, to make the hit-and-run tactic somewhat less efficient, I suggest the
following changes to the combat system: Whenever there has been initiated
missile fire and magical attacks, the party that remains the longest on the
battle ground gets a free melee attack (while the enemy turn tail and
run), and a free missile attack in open terrain. (Perhaps the free
melee attack should be negated in jungle, swamp and mountains?.)

This way, the hit-and-run groups will have to endure at least one round
of melee.

To prevent the Steal order of being misused too much I suggest the following
changes: Whenever a battle occur because of a botched steal order, on the
first melee round the thief/thieves from the offending party fights alone
against the entire target group.

The rest of the party must of course have
hid somewhere nearby (10 axe wielding dwarven fighters in plate sneaking
through the enemy camp? Not very likely) and must use that first round to get
into the fray.

This would make it a lot more risky to use the steal order 5-6 times in a
row.

Parties without thieves should not be allowed to even contemplate issuing a
Steal-order.

While I'm at it - the ambush order is pretty useless as of today. It's just
too difficult to spot another group, anticipate their movements, and get in
front of it in time. Perhaps when the alliances are implemented it may be
possible to target any member of a certain alliance with this order? All
you'd have to do would be to find a nice spot on the road to the city
where their HQ is.

Follow Road order

Yep - I'll just sign my name on the list. After all it can't be THAT hard
to program (Just take the 8 sectors surrounding the party, starting with
the one in the direction they want to go and cycle through them clockwise
until you find a road-sector they haven't just passed through. Move them
into this sector and repeat the procedure. If there isn't any more
untraveled roads, check for cities.- Sure it'll ignore crossroads, and
you may end up in a town or two you didn't really want to visit (and
continue past a couple that you did want to visit) - but I believe most
Questers can live with that.)
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Date: 20 Jan 95 20:57:20 MET
From: Edwin Lambregts <J.W.P.Lambregts@kub.nl>

>>From: Christian de la Rosa Nielsen <delarosa@login.dknet.dk>

>   I would like to add my suggestions to the debate on how to
>   liven up Quest. I suggest adding new types of NPC's: (in order of
>   toughness, toughest first) Bearers, Champions, and Followers.
>
>BEARERS
>CHAMPIONS
>FOLLOWERS

EL:
Congratulations
I really *like* these ideas. I believe these suggestions are the
best I have heard of so far! Guess they are quite hard to implement
though.... Does anyone have any idea?
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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 14:57:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: Rogerio Fung <l41186@alfa.ist.utl.pt>

JPG> Guess you all saw this bit...

what is the differnce between payin's and letters of credit???

umm..just to mention 4 those outside Uk that the address is

jumper.mcc.ac.uk 3214

and that I am to in there(sometimes anyway)

RF> on Dean's trouble with temple quests, I believe it depends on the
type of terrain you're sorrounded by. In G14, my Fallen Angels, with 22
turns, have just completed one TQ to kill a kresh and received 500gps. I
bought one on the next turn(this week's) and got another TQ worth 560 to
kil a harpy. It happens that I am in Daving(next stop 4 the evil
BK-someone help me!) and the city is pratically surrounded by mountains
and forests. In my Predators in G1, they have only fields and clear
terrain around the city, and with 16 turns but the same amount of
experience (taking these last points in G14) and all they can get is 160
gps worth TQ's...so either the terrain or the age...

RF> umm..I never heard of 2 or 3  P0 working...I did that once and only
one of the orders did work! So I would like to hear more on this...

RF>I hear that the attitude orders and the NO GROUP ATTACK order is
already implemented in G9, although I dont have these confirmed...
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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 16:28:35 +0000 (GMT)
From: Allan Hooper <A.O.Hooper@herts.ac.uk>

> >From: Roger Littlefair <roj@m-net.arbornet.org>

> Why should members donate to an alliance`s fund?

AH> I think its called 'loyalty' <grin> but seriously , if you dont get
enough out of an alliance to justify giving money to it then surely the
alliance isnt worth it.

> -	-	By paynig money and staying a member over time they could
> get a status such as commander, advertiser etc... with new orders.

AH> This already happens with some alliances  - when the leader can no
longer keep control of all aspects of the alliance and gives some control
to a trusted player.

> Alliance options/services?
> -	Possible members at the opposite end of an island to the HQ
> should be able to buy a travel option to take them to the nearest HQ.

AH> This is a great idea - it would save orders to go straight to your HQ
than city hopping across Kharne.

> -	One member can be given SPY status and be able to join more than
> one alliance as a member.

AH> I dislike this a lot - being a spy would involve decieving another
*player* unless of course all messages were done in character which is
unlikely to be the case.

> -	Quests in an alliance could include killing a member of the
> oppoition as determined by the specific attitudes set.

AH> Members of an alliance should already ready to fight and die for their
alliance . Leaders could pay groups for terminations but the word Quest
implies some experience gain . I must say the improved accounts for
groups would be great as a means of starting mercenarys and bounty hunters.

> -	Is it 2000GP for a mage skill shop in your HQ?  Are 4 players
> going to buy every turn?  I don`t think so!

AH> Groups tend to buy multiple trainings in one turn so what could
happen is you write to the shop owner and ask them to put the service
 up for sale for the next turn .

> -	Money could come from the alliance protecting shops from
> thieves.  Banks offer more than inns.  New prospect of being worthwhile
> staying in a settlement and gives NPC thieves something to do rather than
> rob me!

AH> With the warlike nature of most alliance I'm not so sure they wont pay
alliances *not* to locate in their city ;-).

> New Island?
> -	The new island for good players could be located 14 sectors from
> the main Island, so only groups able to cast Teleport III can get there,
> and should be good enough to stay.

AH> Thats the best way yet I have heard of introducing a new island.I dont
like the new island idea however as it
would have to be made so that it isnt just a way for tough groups to get
tougher quicker and if there was a good chance of a character mortality -
would you go?

> New players?
> -	Groups should be rated on an average skill bases.  If one groups
> Ave Sk is more than 10 over the opponent then the weaker group runs
> without losses.  This means that Total Death groups fight each other
> only, because a group of 10 Total Deaths in theory will have an ave sk
> more than 10 over a group with fighters.

AH> I agree some system is needed to stop outclassed groups getting
crushed - but the above system wouldnt work for two reasons I can think of .
 First thieves also tend to have 99sk so if a group had a few of them they
would get destroyed by the Total Death group. Second, why not have a
group of fighters if you *know* you wont be attacked by the Total Death
groups but could totally stuff any other groups in melee combat.

> -	They don`t know what an alliance offers, and just join one that
> looks good over it`s 4 line ad.  Alliances should send an A4/5 page of
> alliance news which can be bought and sent via KJC to the player.

AH> I agree - alliances should include a history (if they have one)
alignment , friends + enemies , which land it has claims on ,
 a list of members and so on. I like the idea of all groups in an alliance
 having an alliance standard/flag included in their group description .

> >From: Kai Hortmann <CHBRIN5@NYX.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>
> About getting good temple quests: Is it possible that this depends on
> the terrain around the city where you get the quest?

AH> It sounds good to me but I dont think its right tho as I have had TQ's
in a city surrounded by heavy forest and some in the middle of mountains and
hills and still got the usual poor quests - perhaps I'm just unlucky.
I'm going to check out the alignment theory by being very close to a god
when I buy a quest from one of their temples.

> >From: Rogerio Fung <l41186@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
> to mjl
> if you got 600 xps in 20 turnss, then you  I dont know what to tell you.
> In my 14 turn in bdS I had 2000 xps, and 3000+ gold, so, somethings wrong
> in here...

AH> If you really need cash just borrow a 1000gp's from a money lender and
just dont pay it back.
Nothing bad happens (yet) apart from you cant borrow money ever again,
although I'd wait for the flood of people telling me I'm wrong first
before you try this.

> >From: Niall Davis <davis@unixa.clp.ac.uk>

> > JPG>The price for .... spell components need bringing down....
>
> Sorry but here I disagree again. Mages can become phenominally
> powerful and once trained use only a small fraction of their
> spell regularly. It should take some investment to develop
> and maintain a character who can cast the very poerful high
> level mag spells.
> JPG>  I spent ages without money enough to develop my mage because I
> needed lots of other stuff.  I wasn't the most successful new party, but
> I was considering dropping my mage as he would cost so much.  This is why
> I think they are prohibitively high for new players.  The idea voiced
> somewhere about losing energy in casting would help stop mages doing too
> much.

AH> Possibly the price of powders should be dropped but high power spells
eat up skill points when cast , that way new groups can use the low power
spells easily and the high power mages need training now and again to
replenish their skill back up again . A lot of the mages power comes from
having multiple engagements so perhaps you should only be able to engage
the same group once per turn.

> >From: Paul Noble <editor@elbon.demon.co.uk>
> PN> RF also says that Fighters have little place in the world as
> it stands, perhaps the fighters from the party should be allowed
> to enter an arena in the city and fight against monsters and
> other groups fighters for substaintial rewards, no missile or
> magic, thus the mag/missile groups would not want to take this on
> and probably couldn't as they have few fighters in the first
> place.

AH> In cities the S order works wonders for attacking other players
purely in melee combat . I would like to see spell combat removed from
 settlements altogether (what is a group supposed to be doing when it
 is getting blasted ? are they saying "oh we won't rip their lungs out
coz its not our turn") - instead have an arena for group v's group fights
 with full use of magic/missiles . This would require a challenge order and an
accept challenge order - of course battles would appear in the newspaper
but so would challenges to blacken the names of those who chicken out.
Perhaps you could have groups champions fight it out but it would have to
be to the death to stop friendly groups chalenging each other just for
exp/cash.

> >From: Neil Benson <9365040@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk>
> Anyone else intrested in a discussion into guilds, themes and using
> them to role-play?

AH> The alliance I have just joined is not just a gathering of evil
(theres not many of us left) its aims include ,role-playing to get away
from all the power-gaming by giving massive input to the newsletter ,
slagging off good groups who use evil mirracles (I would like to see the
Devote order that enables you to do TQ at the relevant temples but would
stop you casting miracles of the 3 gods opposite) or claim a great
victory when several good groups attack a new group with a slightly evil
sounding name etc. Personally I often use one of my characters in
letters and write in character with a bit from me explaining underneath -
all Kharne will know of Ellspeth Grayswandir , Demon Knight of Ythcal
 and Destroyer of the Light.

AH> Most people on the list agree role playing is inportant so a discussion
would be most welcome.
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JPG> Well, that's the lot for the moment.  I have another thing to bring
up before the end though.  Erik Cedergren has a Quest homepage, but has
little time to run it.  I think it's great that we have a WWW page, but
he needs people to help write for it. Have a look at it and see what you
think...  the address is...
http://belsebub.ics.lu.se/~ecgn/Quest.html
JPG> Erik is pretty short of time at the moment, so says that any help
would be appreciated.

JPG> Lastly I would like to offer my apologies to anybody I still haven't
gotten back to after a private e-mail.  I don't have much time at the
moment, but when I do I shall get all the back issues sorted and put
somewhere sensible so I can send them to people.  I will do it as soon as
possible and tell you all when I am ready to send them.  Sorry for the delay!

JPG> Meanwhile... Quest on people!

>>-Josh->
"...All I do is keep the beat, and bad company..."