ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #13

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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 01:15:46 +0000

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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Subject: Atlantis: Allocation of Recruits
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 01:00:19 -0500 (EST)

GDUNBAR.US.ORACLE.COM writes:
>
> Some answers:
>
> >How is the distribution of recruits decided?  Is it based on when orders were
> >received, how many were requested, or some combination?
>
> It is based on how many were requested (though you can't request
> more than you can afford).
>
> >I know some factions got a large number of recruits (one unit has 31 elves,
> >one 20, one 17, one 12 leaders, etc), while some factions failed to get any.
> >Was this due to a bug, and is there a more equitable way to distribute the
> >pool of available recruits?
>
> They probably tried to recruit with all of their money. If they
> didn't, it must have been a bug.
>
>
> Geoff
>
>
Is the allocation based on the size of the individual unit you attemped to
form or the total your faction attemped to recruit?  If the former attempting
to form a small unit in a crowded field is less likely to succeed [your
pro-ration could work out to less than 1] than an attempt to form a large
unit with the intent of splitting it up the next turn.

--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net

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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Mail Overload -> ATL-ROLEPLAY???
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 01:49:08 -0500 (EST)

Juha Pohjalainen writes:
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Matthew S. Taylor wrote:
>
> > On the subject of mail overload - if the number of self-advertising and pure
> > roleplaying posts to this list does not drop radically, many of us will have
> > to drop off.  They do not bother me in their content, just the volume.  Send
> > them to the Times and collect your 50 Silver.
>
> 	What about atl-roleplay list? So that here we have only our
> 	"real" problems and in atl-roleplay we have our "faction"
> 	problems/announcements/what-so-ever!
>
> 	No Silver, but faster interaction!
>
> > --
> > Matthew Taylor
> >
> > matthew@clark.net
>
> 					Jippo
>

What a great idea!  I wish I had thought of it

--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net

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From: tulrich@unlinfo.unl.edu (Tim Ulrich)
Subject: Markets
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 00:48:36 -0600 (CST)

Just a friendly word of warning to everyone out there.  Make sure that
when you read through the items wanted and items for sale lines that
you don't confuse them.  My units that attempted to purchase items
from the wanted list weren't able to get them... imagine that!
--
Any views I express are probably my own...
Nobody else is willing to let me speak for them!

Timothy Ulrich					tulrich@unlinfo.unl.edu
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 00:47:55 -0600 (CST)
From: OLIVERG@carleton.edu
Subject: PBEM ATL: re:Conscript (was: Tactics)

******************************
	Geoff says:

> What I think I'm going to do is implement a limit on the total
> levels of tactics that you can have in your faction, based on
> faction type:
>               Levels
>               ------
> Non-War       3
> Generic       5
> 1/2 War       10
> War           25
[snip]
> This system adds two things:
> 1) Gives more advantage to War factions in battle.
> 2) Makes you deployment of good tacticians an important issue.
>
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matthew@clark.net says:

>[conceptual reasons for his dislike of the above]
>
>I would rather enhance the governmental authority of WAR factions by allowing
>an order such as CONSCRIPT - allowing a war faction gain regular recruits
>at no cost in direct relation to the number of tax capable [ie combat ready]
>soldiers present prior to regular recruiting.
>[snip]
>I would favor a month long order, since the draftees
>would not necessarily be cooperative.

>[suggestion to lower maintenance costs for military in War faction or increase
>same for non-War factions]
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CONSCRIPT sounds good. It could mesh well with PILLAGE or TAX--I would have
it lean more toward PILLAGE. It might be necessary to assign a minimum cost to
conscript, however--say, $10 per man?, to reflect the initial and basic
provisioning of the conscripts (however paltry it may be).

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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 11:01 GMT
From: Jochen Theis <J.Theis@pmms.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis: RE: The Gathering

Dear Magma,

I suppose that my current aim to set up a University is in the spirit
of your Gathering. I'm currently in Abernethy and will move to
Kashmar, where the Kashmar alliance has offered to support my efforts.
I shall specialise in trade and will then apply myself to providing
the necessary infrastructure (buildings, teachers, etc.) for the
University.

If that qualifies me to join the Gathering, I'd be happy to do so.
I'm striving for free exchange of information, skills and ideas, and
any contacts your gathering can establish to fulfill these goals would
be most welcome.

Yours sincerely

H.Humboldt, President of NESA
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 13:58:54 +0100
From: David Maxera <maxera@fzu.cz>
Subject: Atlantis-Foufeau

Ladies and gentlemen !                           Atlantis City, 15.2.0001

I am only modest-honest man desiring  nothing but to  live in peace and
quiet.
   But God  came to me and said: "Wake up, Saint Foufeau, you modest-honest,
and found  The Only Church Which Can Bring Peace and Love to Atlantis. People
are good in principal. Of course they behave  like beasts, but it is problem
of communication  only.  They hesitate  to  say  friendly (and also hostile)
word  each other  ..."

So, hear my voice !
  I   feel friendly to everybody.
  Moreover, maybe you are also modest and you want to say something, or give
a gift, or obtain money *anonymously*, unrecognized. In this case, ask me,
Saint Foufeau the modest-honest.

I will forward  immediately any message (only without headers) - I will
also tell the  answer.
I'm afraid in the case of handing over of an item we cannot avoid one month
delay. Just write to "maxera@fzu.cz"  name (or pseudonym) of  the receiver
and GIVE me the item (now I am FACTION 117  NEW 1). Receiver must have declared me friendly.
I hope I will deserve  following reward (from sender):
   5$  for  message
   min(5$, 3%  of price  of the item) for  gift
I believe in honesty  and good memory of your characters (not neceserily
persons).
  Whoever  would be interested in and will pay me 150$,  he will obtain
list of moral values of The Only Church (in alphabetical order). Note:
Avoid any harm  for our clients is there on the first place.
  Saint Foufeau, the modest-honest,
   FACTION 117, NEW 1
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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: ATLANTIS : marketplaces
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 13:29:52 +0000 (GMT)

Geoff wrote :-
>>
>>Both behaviors are logical, but I don't think either is clearly
>>preferrable.
>>
>>Geoff

Josh wrote :-
>
> Someone suggested earlier, as part of a proposal for inter-player markets,
> that there be a bidding system. How about implementing that as an
> alternative? What I have in mind is a system whereby the highest bidder
> gets his order filled first (instead of the _largest_ bidder). If there are
> too many sellers, then the lowest price wins. This would be very flexible
> and useful as well as fairer than the present system.

Jon writes :-

Don't forget guys that every adventurer in the universe has just descended
upon one city at once. *of course* there isn't going to be enough to go around -
the city wasn't designed to have a sudden huge increase in demand. Whilst a
bidding system might be realistic, it would also further complicate the
complicated rules.

When we've all spread out, the players will first be divided roughly into six
groups around the major cities. I assume there will be other market-places as
well as those, and we'll all soon find a small place to call home with a
localto relax in, a marketplace all to ourselves, and a bunch of locals to
'interact' with.

At least this way everyone is in the same boat. Give it a little time - this
game is going to take huge time spans to play, anyhow!

regards,

Jon.
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 11:34:48 -0500
From: mosherj@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Joshua Mosher)
Subject: Re: Atlantis: RE: The Gathering

At 6:01 AM 1/25/95, Jochen Theis wrote:
>Dear Magma,
>
I don't know if this was on purpose, but if you are writing something that
affects only one other player, please don't send it on the players list.
This message would have been perfect for ordinary email. Please don't
overflow people's mailboxes.

Josh Mosher

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From: Mike Blaser <mab@kcc.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 16:56:26 GMT
Subject: ATLANTIS  trying to find Grady

Could someone with an email address which closely resembles
grady@swindle.berkley.edu please email me immediately?

Thankyou

The Cognoscenti

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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:47:37 EDT
From: Daniel White  <DPWHITE@ice.LakeheadU.Ca>
Subject: Re: ATLANTIS. Entertainment question.

> Does your answer mean that anywhere, any time, a unit entertaining will earn
> $20 per skill level, up to the total money available per the report?  Is this
> prorated by total skill levels attempting to entertain if supply exceeds the
> money available?  What is the difference between the "Demand" and the "Money
> available"?

hmm... I'll try my luck on giving you an example...

The region you are in has $320 available entertainment

You have a unit with entertain:
Morkov's Minstrels (1328) 20 High Elves, Skill: Entertain 1.

If you were alone in the region, you would gain all $320 of what was
available.

If there was someone else in the region, say:
The Orchistra (516) 5 Leaders, Skills: Entertain 3, <... blah ...>

The supply of entertainment would be as follows:
Minstrels supply = 20 elves X lvl 1 in entertain X $20 = $400
Orchistra supply =  5 ldrs  X Lvl 3 in entertain X $20 = $300

Add this up, $400 + $300 = $700 of supply...
Each unit will then get (320/700)*(their supply) silver that month.

i.e. both units get the same percentage of what they offer...

(hope this example is clear)

Daniel.

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|  Name: Daniel White             |
| Email: dpwhite@ICE.LakeheadU.ca |
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 14:15:38 +0500 (EST)
From: "J. T. Smith" <jts@telerama.lm.com>
Subject: Moving newly formed units.

Did I miss something or is the issue of forming units and moving them in
the same turn still unresolved?

JTSmith
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 12:01:29 PST
From: "GDUNBAR.US.ORACLE.COM" <GDUNBAR@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Atlantis 2.0: Fixed bugs

Atlantis Players,

I found and fixed 2 bugs that came up in the first turn:

1) New units weren't being initialized properly, and sometimes
couldn't move.
2) DECLARE was broken.

Geoff

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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 18:41:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Beads <landt@acf4.NYU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Seeking contact with Zarathos

On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Jochen Theis wrote:

> Dear Master Zarathos,
>
> your aims seem to agree very much with those of the Northern
> Exploration Society of Atlantis (NESA), which I founded recently.
> Would you care to join me to set up the First University of Atlantis
> in the Northern regions?
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> H.Humboldt, President of NESA
>
Although the `Aitches 'for the Eyes have not yet determined their
direction from Atlantis City, we under alliance with The Gathering, have
intentions upon the construction of a university.  Should The Gathering
take us in your direction, we may find ourselves of a common goal, if
rather we move elsewhere, perhaps an arrangement might be made of
exchange between the two houses of learning.

Centre Denbigh

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From: tulrich@unlinfo.unl.edu (Tim Ulrich)
Subject: atl-roleplayers list
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 17:17:36 -0600 (CST)

Just my two cents to back up the idea of a separate mailing list for
the roleplaying aspects of the game.  Rather than getting 12 messages
in the Times about the same thing (ie. alliances, maps, etc), it would
be nice to be able to do some "real time" roleplaying.
--
Any views I express are probably my own...
Nobody else is willing to let me speak for them!

Timothy Ulrich					tulrich@unlinfo.unl.edu
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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:27:31 -0800
From: ohoode@cln.etc.bc.ca (Olivier Houde)
Subject: ATLANTIS: Gathering

This is a final call to anyone who would like to join the Gathering.  I must
also remind those who are joined that you need to send me your Faction
number, type, name and email address so that others in the Gathering may
know your identity.

I wish to elect some sort of Governing Council...Any ideas?

Magma the ArchMage and Sage
                                        Year of Discovery
                                        Day of Meditation