ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #12

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From: "GDUNBAR.US.ORACLE.COM" <GDUNBAR@us.oracle.com>
To: atl-players@tango.rahul.net
Subject: Re: Atlantis: bug report
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>This raises some interesting possibilities. Say
>there are, oh, 251 high elves available in a
>particular region at $60 apiece. Suppose I want
>to buy eight. To maximize the number I actually
>get, can I issue the following orders?
>
>  FORM 1
>    CLAIM 80
>    BUY 1000000 HEL
>    END
>
>What would happen if I did that? (I sorta wish
>I'd thought to try that in turn 1 - I only got
>three elves.)

That won't work; it won't let you buy more than you can afford.

>Even if the amount you attempt to buy is reduced
>to the amount actually available, I think this
>is a problem. I think purchase of goods (and
>exploitation of resources) worked better in
>Olympia (FWIW).

In Olympia, the units higher up in the report get to BUY first.
So, in this case, the players who joined first would have gotten
to BUY as many men as they wanted, and those below would have
gotten nothing.

Both behaviors are logical, but I don't think either is clearly
preferrable.

Geoff

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Received: 24 Jan 1995 13:38:03                    Sent: 24 Jan 1995 13:30:42
From:"Brent R. Johnson" <owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net>
To: atl-players@tango.rahul.net
Subject: Atlantis: bug report
Reply-to: owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net

I issued:

DECLARE DEFAULT friendly

which resulted in the following:

Errors during turn:
  DECLARE: Non-existent faction.

The syntax I used came straight from the rules,
and I received no errata concerning this. So,
I think it must be a bug.

Concerning under-supply of items (high elves, say):

The rules say "If the demand for the item (from
all units in the region) is greater than the
number available, the available items will be
split amongst the buyers in proportion to the
amount each buyer attempted to buy."

This raises some interesting possibilities. Say
there are, oh, 251 high elves available in a
particular region at $60 apiece. Suppose I want
to buy eight. To maximize the number I actually
get, can I issue the following orders?

FORM 1
    CLAIM 80
    BUY 1000000 HEL
    END

What would happen if I did that? (I sorta wish
I'd thought to try that in turn 1 - I only got
three elves.)

Frankly, if that works, I'd call it "exploiting
a bug", which is expressly prohibited in the
player instructions from Geoff. :)

Even if the amount you attempt to buy is reduced
to the amount actually available, I think this
is a problem. I think purchase of goods (and
exploitation of resources) worked better in
Olympia (FWIW).

<< Brent

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From: "Brent R. Johnson" <Brent.Johnson@cle.ab.com>
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Subject: Re: Atlantis: bug report

Geoff <<

> >
> >  FORM 1
> >    CLAIM 80
> >    BUY 1000000 HEL
> >    END
> >
> >What would happen if I did that? (I sorta wish
> >I'd thought to try that in turn 1 - I only got
> >three elves.)
>
> That won't work; it won't let you buy more than you can afford.

Okay, I can't complain too much about that.

> In Olympia, the units higher up in the report get to BUY first.
> So, in this case, the players who joined first would have gotten
> to BUY as many men as they wanted, and those below would have
> gotten nothing.
>
> Both behaviors are logical, but I don't think either is clearly
> preferrable.

No, I don't suppose either system is clearly preferable, but that's
not quite how Olympia works. In Olympia, you can only recruit one
man per day. So in this case, no player that got fewer elves than
he wanted would have gotten more than one elf more than any other
player that got fewer elves than he wanted (er, something like that).

<< Brent
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From: Daniel White  <DPWHITE@ice.LakeheadU.Ca>
Subject: Re: Atlantis: bug report
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[snip]
>   FORM 1
>     CLAIM 80
>     BUY 1000000 HEL
>     END
[snip]
> Frankly, if that works, I'd call it "exploiting
> a bug", which is expressly prohibited in the
> player instructions from Geoff. :)

I'd agree with that - however, when you have claimed 4700 silver
into your new unit, and attempt to "BUY 78 HEL", that's not
exploiting any kind of bug... ;-)
    (78 HEL) *  ($60 per) = $4640 - mind you all that cash is unlikely
to get used... I imagine each person got aroundabout 40% of what they
were after... (I'd guess a demand of about 400 HEL went out that
turn...)
    I imagine that if you got no High elves, it was because 40% of
your order for 1 or 2 was not enough to warrant you getting one... :-/

Daniel.
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From: mosherj@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Joshua Mosher)
Subject: Re: Atlantis: bug report

At 1:51 PM 1/24/95, GDUNBAR.US.ORACLE.COM wrote:

>In Olympia, the units higher up in the report get to BUY first.
>So, in this case, the players who joined first would have gotten
>to BUY as many men as they wanted, and those below would have
>gotten nothing.
>
>Both behaviors are logical, but I don't think either is clearly
>preferrable.
>
>Geoff

Someone suggested earlier, as part of a proposal for inter-player markets,
that there be a bidding system. How about implementing that as an
alternative? What I have in mind is a system whereby the highest bidder
gets his order filled first (instead of the _largest_ bidder). If there are
too many sellers, then the lowest price wins. This would be very flexible
and useful as well as fairer than the present system. If someone _really_
wants a horse he can pay twice the retail price listed in the city report.

At the very least, please create some better way of buying and selling
between players. It would greatly improve the present trade system.

Thanks for listening,
Josh Mosher

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From: Rick Brady <rickb@garnet.msen.com>
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Are there spells worked out for the nature area of magic, or am I barking
up the wrong tree. Do I need to spend more time on research, or should I
wait until this area of magic can be worked out? Thanks!

Rick,
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From: ohoode@cln.etc.bc.ca (Olivier Houde)
Subject: Atlantis:  The Gathering
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If you are joining or have offered to join my group of Historians,
protectors and magicians please send me your faction name so that I may post
a list of factions who are in The Gathering for your uses.  Beware the evil
of ABSTAIN.

Magma the ArchMage and Sage
                                        Year of Discovery
                                        Day of Enlightment

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Subject: ATLANTIS: Gathering
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A new dawn graces this world, a world long beset my mystery and intrigue.
Now from the folds of creation we come, some walk the paths of good while
some, submersed in the darkness of their ways, walk darker ones still.  We
are intrpepid explorers, pioneers of discoverer on this virgin soil.  I
propose an alliance, not one where we shall met out our "justice" with a
leaden glove but one where we may grow and learn together.  I do not promise
Wealth, nor Love and less then these I do not promise Power.  I promise
peace and a chance to explore together.  I will accept anyone in this
gathering, and together we shall from and new future for ourselves and those
around us.  Let those who wish to join speak and I shall discuss the fruits
of our gathering further.

Magma the Archmage and Sage
                                        Year of discovery
                                        Day of the wheel

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Subject: Observations

The Observation Guild is recruiting new members to express their first
Ammendment rights in Atlantis.

A census of Atlantis City, February, Year 1:

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- City Guard (1), on guard, The Guardsmen (1), 100 leaders, 100
  swords.
- the Stranger (231), Xenos (3), leader.
- Marco Polo (234), Faction (6), leader, 3 horses, 2 longbows, wagon.
- Unit (235), Faction (7), leader.
- Unit (238), Faction (10), leader.
- The Mauve Marauder (239), Rainbow Mayhem Unlimited (11), leader, 6
  horses.
- Unit (241), Faction (13), leader.
- Unit (242), Faction (14), leader.
- Unit (243), Faction (15), leader.
- Unit (247), Faction (19), leader.
- Unit (248), Faction (20), leader.
- Unit (249), House of Sicman (21), leader.
- Unit (250), Faction (22), leader.
- Unit (251), Faction (23), leader.
- Unit (253), Faction (25), leader.
- The Grand Archibold (257), The House of Osborne (29), leader; The
  Current Leader.
- Magma the ArchMage (259), Covenant of the ArchMage (31), leader.
- Barnacle Turing (260), Turing Theatrical Company (32), avoiding,
  leader.
- Nobody (261), leader, 4 horses.
- Unit (262), Faction (34), leader.
- Unit (264), Faction (36), leader.
- Unit (265), leader.
- Shaykh Ghassan (266), Bani Ghassan (38), leader.
- Unit (267), Faction (39), leader.
- Adam Smith (269), Dismal Scientists (41), leader.
- Malchor Harpell (273), Faction (45), behind, leader.
- Andre (274), United Eastern Indian Company (46), leader.
- Unit (276), Faction (48), leader.
- Myth (277), Myth Makers Inc. (49), behind, leader; A tall thin man
  dressed in bright clothes..
- Unit (278), Faction (50), leader.
- Dala (279), Los Seguidores de Iape (51), leader; Wow!, what a girl!.
- Blaze (280), Faction (52), leader.
- Unit (281), Faction (53), leader.
- Corwyn Tinker (282), Faction (54), avoiding, leader; Darkskinned,
  wiry man w bag of tools slung over his back.
- Unit (283), Faction (55), leader.
- VooDoo (285), Black  White (57), leader, 10 longbows.
- Ziplock (287), Faction (59), leader.
- Unit (291), Faction (63), leader.
- effen prime (296), Faction (68), avoiding, leader; a man in grey
  robes.
- Sir Vanen Silverstar (297), The Ebon Hand (69), behind, leader.
- Unit (298), Faction (70), leader.
- Lord Spam (299), Faction (71), leader, horse.
- Denbigh (300), Aitches for the Eyes (72), avoiding, behind, leader,
  8 longbows; 300.
- Unit (302), Faction (74), avoiding, leader.
- Unit (303), Faction (75), leader.
- Spell it Right (305), Gibor (77), leader.
- Judas Jebediah Johnston (306), Faction (78), avoiding, behind,
  leader, longbow.
- Gregzilla (307), Followers of the Mist (79), behind, leader.
- Molgar (308), Sons of Darth (80), leader.
- Unit (309), Faction (81), leader.
- Unit (310), leader.
- Unit (311), Faction (83), leader, stone, 3 horses, 6 longbows,
  wagon.
- Blitz (313), Faction (85), leader.
- Unit (314), Faction (86), leader.
- Unit (316), Faction (88), leader, horse, longbow.
- Unit (318), Faction (90), leader.
- Unit (323), Faction (95), leader.
- Fahrud (326), leader.
- Unit (327), Faction (99), leader.
- Marge (331), The Simpsons (103), avoiding, behind, leader; Mrmm.
- Tarod (332), leader.
- Unit (333), Faction (105), leader.
- Unit (335), Faction (107), leader.
- Unit (336), Faction (108), leader.
- GwaithiKemen (343), Mahtan Manufacturing and Mercantile (115),
  avoiding, behind, leader.
- Denethor the Druid (344), The Green Band (116), leader.
- Boudiccea (346), To heal the sick (118), leader, horse.
- Dinsdale Piranha (347), Piranha Bros. Trading Co. (119), leader,
  horse.
- OOPS Leader (348), Order of Pure Simplicity (120), avoiding, leader.
- Cerbanes (350), Ab al Ferrista (122), leader; Mostly harmless.
- Dreadlord1 (355), Hand of Darkness (127), behind, leader.
- Unit (356), Faction (128), leader.
- BALITOK THE DEADLY SHADOW (358), leader.
- Jloklaen (360), Imaginaria (132), leader.
- Unit (361), Faction (133), leader.
- Unit (365), Faction (137), leader.
- Unit (368), Faction (140), leader.
- Unit (375), Faction (147), leader.
- Unit (376), Faction (148), leader.
- Unit (377), Faction (149), leader.
- Xavier (378), Faction (150), leader; A black hole.
- Unit (380), Faction (152), leader.
- Karamon the Meek (381), Faction (153), behind, leader, 4 horses.
- Unit (382), Faction (154), leader.
- Unit (384), Faction (156), leader.
- Wizard Wizbin (385), Faction (157), leader; A middleaged wizardtype
  of guy with a funny hat..
- The (386), Willems (158), leader, 5 longbows.
- Sludge (391), leader, horse.
- Drueg 1 (392), Faction (164), leader, longbow.
- High Priest of Grendel (394), Faction (166), leader, horse; He looks
  sorta like the pope but bigger....
- Palantheos (396), Clan of Reorx (168), avoiding, leader; Current
  unelected leader of the Clan of Reorx.
- Magors Ministers (398), Faction (170), leader.
- Slavemaster Obelix  Friends (399), The Revolting Slaves (171),
  avoiding, 3 leaders, 5 horses.
- Unit (401), alAlavarins Men (173), leader.
- Saurm (403), Faction (175), leader, 3 horses.
- Unit (406), Faction (178), leader.
- Guinness (408), Beerswine (180), avoiding, leader.
- Unit (413), Faction (185), leader.
- Unit (415), Faction (187), leader.
- Edmund (416), Magicians Attaining Greater Enlightenment (188),
  avoiding, behind, leader; wearing a long robe and pointy hat.
- Unit (418), Faction (190), leader.
- Unit (420), The Welcoming Hand (192), avoiding, 8 leaders.
- Thalian (421), Faction (193), avoiding, behind, leader.
- Unit (422), Faction (194), leader.
- Mac (424), Macs Marauders (196), leader, horse, longbow.
- Unit (426), Faction (198), leader.
- Unit (502), Faction (199), leader.
- Unit (503), Faction (200), leader.
- Unit (504), Faction (201), leader.
- Unit (505), Faction (202), leader.
- Unit (506), Faction (203), leader.
- Unit (507), Faction (204), leader.
- Unit (508), Faction (205), leader.
- Unit (509), Faction (206), leader.
- Unit (510), Faction (207), leader.
- Unit (511), Faction (208), leader.
- Unit (512), Faction (209), leader.
- Unit (513), Faction (210), leader.
- Unit (514), Faction (211), leader.
- Unit (515), Faction (212), leader.
- Unit (516), Faction (213), leader.
- Unit (517), Faction (214), leader.
- Unit (518), Faction (215), leader.
- Unit (519), Faction (216), leader.
- Unit (520), Faction (217), leader.
- Unit (521), Faction (218), leader.
- Unit (522), Faction (219), leader.
- Unit (523), Faction (220), leader.
- Unit (524), Faction (221), leader.
- Unit (525), Faction (222), leader.
- Unit (526), Faction (223), leader.
- Unit (527), Faction (224), leader.
- Unit (528), Faction (225), leader.
- Unit (529), Faction (226), leader.
- Unit (530), Faction (227), leader.
- Unit (531), Faction (228), leader.
- Unit (532), Faction (229), leader.
- Unit (533), Faction (230), leader.
- Malibu Stacy Dolls (538), The Simpsons (103), avoiding, 3 high
  elves; Thinking is for boys.
- Yandros (541), leader.
- Chaos of Earth (542), leader.
- innocent leaders (553), 2 leaders.
- Armour Bacon (560), Piranha Bros. Trading Co. (119), 2 high elves;
  coffee tables nailed to their heads .
- Currantes (579), Imperial (136), 3 high elves.
- Kabalans Guards (584), Faction (141), high elf.
- Unit (588), StormWatch (143), 17 high elves; Contact dstapletpo3.mv.
  unisys.com.
- Body Builders (593), Faction (150), 3 high elves; Working Class
  Heroes.
- Stallions (594), Faction (150), 3 high elves; Working Class Heroes.
- Meek Men (595), Faction (153), 3 high elves.
- Jokers and Wildcards (615), Faction (157), 5 high elves; A bunch of
  unemploid elves..
- Pictish Warriors (619), Faction (161), high elf; Fearsome painted
  men. Their hair dyed with blood..
- Smiths (620), Faction (161), high elf.
- Armourers (621), Faction (161), high elf.
- Clansmen (622), Faction (161), avoiding, high elf, 3 longbows.
- Vermin Clowns (624), Skulking Vermin (163), 3 high elves, 5 horses;
  Vaguely amusing unkempt beggars..
- Raindogs bodyguard (638), Faction (17), high elf.
- Aredhels Retinue (647), Faction (174), high elf, 5 horses, 5
  longbows.
- THE HUMAN SHARKS (655), Faction (181), leader.
- THE CLOWNS (656), Faction (181), leader.
- THE FIGHTERS (657), Faction (181), leader.
- THE SLAVES (658), Faction (181), 6 high elves, 3 longbows.
- National Guard (661), The Empire (184), 3 high elves, 10 horses.
- Workers (669), Magicians Attaining Greater Enlightenment (188),
  avoiding, behind, 20 high elves; a group of dirty peasants.
- Ancer (671), Faction (193), avoiding, 31 high elves.
- Unit (674), Faction (198), 8 high elves.
- Unit (682), House of Sicman (21), 4 high elves.
- 1st Guards (687), Xenos (3), 2 high elves, 5 horses.
- Magmas Archers (690), Covenant of the ArchMage (31), 2 high elves, 5
  longbows.
- Magmas Foot Soldiers (692), Covenant of the ArchMage (31), 2 high
  elves.
- Turing Players (693), Turing Theatrical Company (32), avoiding, 3
  high elves.
- THs workers (706), Faction (37), 4 high elves, 10 longbows.
- Just Us (708), 4 leaders, horse, 6 longbows.
- Monetarists (714), Dismal Scientists (41), 3 high elves, 2 horses.
- Harpells guards (722), Faction (45), 2 high elves.
- Andres spies (724), United Eastern Indian Company (46), 2 high
  elves; Theyre here mainly to let me know whats going on..
- Andres spies (725), United Eastern Indian Company (46), 2 high
  elves; Theyre here mainly to let me know whats going on..
- Andres spies (726), United Eastern Indian Company (46), 2 high
  elves; Theyre here mainly to let me know whats going on..
- Andres spies (727), United Eastern Indian Company (46), 2 high
  elves; Theyre here mainly to let me know whats going on..
- Andres spies (728), United Eastern Indian Company (46), 2 high
  elves; Theyre here mainly to let me know whats going on..
- Andres spies (729), United Eastern Indian Company (46), 2 high
  elves; Theyre here mainly to let me know whats going on..
- Circus Maximus (730), United Eastern Indian Company (46), 4 high
  elves.
- Guess who! (737), Los Seguidores de Iape (51), 8 high elves.
- Unit (742), Faction (52), 2 high elves.
- 3MPerors Own Guards (744), Faction (54), avoiding, 2 high elves;
  Welldressed and meanlooking elves in RayBans.
- Nastronds Guards (745), Faction (55), 4 high elves; Green recruits
  wearing nice shiny uniforms.
- Nastronds Light Horse (746), Faction (55), 4 high elves; How do you
  steer these things .
- Nastronds Workers (747), Faction (55), 4 high elves; Wearing
  overalls and leaning on shovels while smoking.
- Action (749), Black  White (57), 4 high elves.
- Hand O Death (756), 12 leaders.
- The Ebon Guard (760), The Ebon Hand (69), high elf.
- Unit (767), Chthonian Order (73), 6 leaders.
- Unit (768), Chthonian Order (73), 14 high elves.
- Unit (769), 4 leaders.
- Unit (770), Faction (74), 7 high elves.
- Unit (771), Faction (74), 4 high elves.
- Rewells guard (778), Faction (78), 4 high elves, 10 longbows;
  Rewells guards wear his star and moon device..
- Mist Guards (779), Followers of the Mist (79), 5 high elves.
- Unit (791), Faction (85), 5 high elves.
- Unit (792), Faction (85), 2 high elves.
- Elvish servants of the Crescent (793), Concord Conglomerate (87), 8
  high elves; fascinating chaps with pointy ears.
- 1st Caravan (802), The Green Baron (94), 6 high elves.
- Tehran (805), leader.
- Unit (806), leader.
- Unit (807), leader.
- Unit (808), leader.
- Unit (809), leader.
- Unit (810), leader.
- Unit (811), leader.
- Unit (812), leader.
- Unit (817), Faction (99), high elf.
- Unit (818), Faction (99), high elf.
- Elite guardsmen (637), Clan of Reorx (168), 10 high elves, 10 stone.

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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Message-Id: <199501250253.VAA21094@clark.net>
Subject: Atlantis: MS Word Doc & Mail Overload
To: atl-players@tango.rahul.net (Atlantis 2.0 Players Mail list)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 21:53:06 -0500 (EST)
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Greetings,
		There seems to be enough interest in my formatted rules so
I will be putting them up in my ftp site.  ftp to ftp@clark.net and look
under <homea>/ftp/pub/matthew.  You want to download Atl-Rules.Doc

For those of you without ftp access I will try to mail you one when I can,
but it will not be rsn [our new recruit/daughter is 6 days old today].
If this player group is inhabited by non speakers of english slang, as it
just occurred to me it was rsn=real soon now.

If people want a dumbed down version [ie earlier versions of MS Word and/or
Word Perfect] I may be able to accommodate - a show of hands please along
with your format choice.  No guarantees about the integrety of the table of
contents, but the rules case indexing should hold regardless.  I do not have

those other programs, but I believe that I can save to them - I will [gasp]
read the manual to verify this.

On the subject of mail overload - if the number of self-advertising and pure
roleplaying posts to this list does not drop radically, many of us will have
to drop off.  They do not bother me in their content, just the volume.  Send
them to the Times and collect your 50 Silver.
--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net

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I was wondering if any other Atlantis players (Any other mean, I'll
be a player next turn hopefully, not one yet. :( ) are interested in
game chat on IRC now or then. I'm on a few hours a day, and will
start adding #atlantis to the channel I join. If anyone wants to
chat about the game, politics, plans, alliances, etc, I'd invite and
encourage you to come. :) Real-time communication goes a long way to
establishing long-term alliances...

Looking forward to  my first turn. There are just so much options
in the world though. :)

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Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 15:59:19 -0500
From: "Brent R. Johnson" <Brent.Johnson@cle.ab.com>
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To: atl-players@tango.rahul.net
Subject: Atlantis: bug report

I issued:

DECLARE DEFAULT friendly

which resulted in the following:

Errors during turn:
  DECLARE: Non-existent faction.

The syntax I used came straight from the rules,
and I received no errata concerning this. So,
I think it must be a bug.

Concerning under-supply of items (high elves, say):

FORM 1
    CLAIM 80
    BUY 1000000 HEL
    END

What would happen if I did that? (I sorta wish
I'd thought to try that in turn 1 - I only got
three elves.)

Frankly, if that works, I'd call it "exploiting
a bug", which is expressly prohibited in the
player instructions from Geoff. :)

<< Brent
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Subject: Re: Atlantis; forming,buying and movement
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> 	On another note, I had units which were created but no-one was
> available for purchase for the unit.  I figured out that all of the claimed
> money by the man-less unit went to another of my units, but what happens to
> the unit number that was assigned to that unit?  Does it get recycled?  Can I
> use it to refer to a manless unit?  (This is probably more of a design
> question... but it does refer to playability also).

I *suspect* the FORMed unit gets thrown away if there are no people in it
(either because there were none to be bought or because they were all killed).
But I'd like to get clarification on this myself.

The unit gets thrown away, and any stuff it has is given to
another of your units in the same region. The unit number
may be reused, by any faction.

Geoff

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Subject: Re: Atlantis; forming,buying and movement
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> From: Ronald Roff <rroff@encore.com>
>
> >From pdxark@evol.gene.nottingham.ac.uk:
> <...>
> > all the bows), did not move and produced at error that it had
> > used up all it's movement points.
> <...>
> > Is this a bug or a feature? I must admit after rereading the  rules I
> > though it was a bug but I may be wrong. Anyone else have the same
> > difficulty?
>
> 	I had the same problem.  The only thing I can think of is that maybe
> you can't move units that were just created... or maybe it's based on the
> fact that you bought people for that unit?  It would be nice to know what the
> ruling on that is.

It's really much simpler than that, I think. One person has a carrying
capacity of five. Ten longbows weigh ten. Ergo, the unit is carrying too
much to move.

>
> 	On another note, I had units which were created but no-one was
> available for purchase for the unit.  I figured out that all of the claimed
> money by the man-less unit went to another of my units, but what happens to
> the unit number that was assigned to that unit?  Does it get recycled?  Can I
> use it to refer to a manless unit?  (This is probably more of a design
> question... but it does refer to playability also).

<< Brent

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On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Matthew S. Taylor wrote:

> On the subject of mail overload - if the number of self-advertising and pure
> roleplaying posts to this list does not drop radically, many of us will have
> to drop off.  They do not bother me in their content, just the volume.  Send
> them to the Times and collect your 50 Silver.

What about atl-roleplay list? So that here we have only our
	"real" problems and in atl-roleplay we have our "faction"
	problems/announcements/what-so-ever!

No Silver, but faster interaction!

> --
> Matthew Taylor
>
> matthew@clark.net

Jippo
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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Subject: Re: ATLANTIS. Entertainment question.
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 00:54:21 -0500 (EST)

GDUNBAR.US.ORACLE.COM writes:
>
> Sorry, this is a bug in the rules. $20 per level per man.
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
> How are the entertainment fees computed ?
>
> In the rules:
>
> "The demand for entertainment, and the amount of money that can be earned this
> way, are shown in region descriptions".
>
> I see only the amount of money, not the demand. Is it the poulation of the
> region ? If so, information still lacks about what silver can be expected per
> skill level.
>
Does your answer mean that anywhere, any time, a unit entertaining will earn
$20 per skill level, up to the total money available per the report?  Is this
prorated by total skill levels attempting to entertain if supply exceeds the
money available?  What is the difference between the "Demand" and the "Money
available"?

--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net