BSE-L Digest 9 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 04:40:21 +0000 BSE-L Digest 9 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: QSN ANNOUNCEMENT by Henry4633@aol.com 2) INDy? by Jackmyster@aol.com 3) Re: BSE QSN by Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> 4) Re: INDy? by Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> 5) Stellar Maps by Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> 6) TRN positions? by Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> 7) FGZ/IMP "deal" by Jackmyster@aol.com 8) TRN positions? -Reply by Phil Krauskopf <pkrauskopf@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> 9) FGZ/IMP "deal" by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 10) TRN positions? by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:46:49 -0500 From: Henry4633@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: QSN ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <950129104647_3570263@aol.com> Steve M. tom like me let get on with game ! For me there are alot young Starcaptain and PD out there that think thay know what going on. I am old man in the game and there alot of us! I will put it this way to you when I came back in the game I ask for help from some PD. and when I was GTT PD I help alot of PD . Now I ask for help I get nose in the air .There one PD out there that know what I saying. I am samurai honor is everthing.and this man has dishonorable. I Asakura toshikage will get honor back . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 12:05:59 -0500 From: Jackmyster@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: INDy? Message-ID: <950129120559_3638532@aol.com> I would ask those players who plan on attacking NeverWhere will the illfated QSN Shock Fleet to show some "spunk"...Fly your colors! Be proud of your actions....if the FGZ are truly the "vermon" we are accused of, this is your chance to prove your worthiness! I know you won't though.... Bests- J. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 09:33:12 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: BSE QSN Message-ID: <Pine.APO.3.91.950129091812.13663A-100000@cyclone.berkeley.edu> On Sun, 29 Jan 1995 steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org wrote: > Min. Qutroh, > > > ...we have been offered baseships that are fully armed..... I wonder why > > this detail has been kept from the public... > > Because that "detail" is pure fantasy. Hmm. Maybe you should tell your Imperials that too then. I think some of them are expecting it. > > ...as the IMP has never questioned the QSN...... the question becomes WHY? > > Because you yourself involved the IMP by alleging an IMP/FGZ "deal" that does > not exist, and making a claim that the FGZ are "...hiding behind the Imperial > shield...". The IMP is not involved in the dispute between the QSN & FGZ, > nor are we involved in the dispute between the PFM & FGZ, nor do we have any > wish to be involved in either. If FGZ ships initiate hostilities in IMP > space against either the PFM or QSN (without prior agreement of the PFM or > QSN to said hostilities), the ISP will respond. The FGZ know this already. > Do not presume to judge whether or not the IMP is biased simply because we do > not permit others to fight wars in our own backyard. Since only by peace > does the economy prosper and grow, we cannot permit any but controlled > conflicts. Von Ludendorf, I don't think you understood my point. I do not claim that the IMP are actively helping the FGZ. If so then I would make that accusation. I do claim that you are acting biased. You have set yourself as the aribitor of correct behavior by claiming that you and the Den of Earth are the ones working for peace and that I personally am somehow indulging myself by making the official QSN pronouncements concerning postings and such. Obviously you realize your mistake as you have avoided the issue. As no QSN was contacted before you decided who was working for peace and who wasn't, I hope you will get both sides to the issue before forming an opinion. It is only fair and just. We do not criticize the IMP for restricting violence in your space. In fact, we applaud you for that. We do believe that you have a responsibility to your Emperor and should be aware when you speak you speak more than just for yourself but represent your affliation. As such, any judgements you make may be taken as Imperial policy. If the IMP are indeed neutral, please state the Imperial position as you have done before and leave the opinions in your office. As for our comment about Imperial skirts, it was merely an information gathering question. It was not even directed at you so I do not see how it involves the IMP. It was asking the FGZ. In fact, if I remember correctly, I even recommend that he go behind the Imperial skirts. I am not sure from this comment, how you can don't our desire for peace? We have no need to expand any conflict to the Periphery and never thought of doing so Qutroh out ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 09:43:46 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: INDy? Message-ID: <Pine.APO.3.91.950129093544.13663B-100000@cyclone.berkeley.edu> On Sun, 29 Jan 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > I would ask those players who plan on attacking NeverWhere will the illfated > QSN Shock Fleet to show some "spunk"...Fly your colors! Be proud of your > actions....if the FGZ are truly the "vermon" we are accused of, this is your > chance to prove your worthiness! > > I know you won't though.... > > Bests- > J. > ooc Bah. Are we attacking Neverwhere?? That's an idea. Can you give me the exact coordinates?? (instructions through that tunnel entrance would be helpful) :) None of the IND people know what are exact plans are as we have not yet decided. Hey. I am flying a couple of IND positions. The IND positions were originally kinda done like a joke, but we got an interesting level of response. So now the point of IND positions is kinda like a further insult, the QSN do not even register the FGZ high enough to sully ourselves in combat with them (slave drivers that they are). We wouldn't want people to fly their colors as it ruins the whole point of this insult. BTW, this whole thing is a FGZ/QSN beef. I was a little annoyed at Jack for a little bit until I could see justification for his ooc actions. DOH. I have no problem with Jack. If he wanted to join the affliation I was in, I would not vote against it. I personally treat BSE as a game. If it is not fun, don't play. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:13:53 -0800 From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Stellar Maps Message-ID: <v0211010cab51899d1142@[198.68.251.11]> I'm going to be photocopying some of the stellar maps of the known systems given to me by my previous PD and others for a couple of folks. While I'm at it, I'll can make a couple of extra copies for others. Who else doesn't have a set? It will probably cost a dollar fifty or so each set with postage if you want a copy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ... Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. ... Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. ... GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) SF, CA 94114-3615 .. ... 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I'm new, so bear with me. <g> Kevin Curnutt/WCE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 13:37:02 -0500 From: Jackmyster@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: FGZ/IMP "deal" Message-ID: <950129133700_3745372@aol.com> Normally I would not discuss a "deal" made with another group, but I realize that the human AFFs may be concerned about a "supposed" deal that the FGZ made with the IMPs for "baseships"...The first thing I will point to is that the FGZ (under my leadership) have always mantained (or tried too) good trading relations with the Humans. Many of you have even made deals for Photons in the past, and many of you would like to in the future. So, consider that. As for the "deal"... The ex-Govener of FGZ Flagritzville destroyed an ITS freighter when he learned that it was removing Photons from the colony. We were unaware of a "deal" that had been made...On board was a F.F. Nullifier. The IMPs, for compensasion requested a *Cargo* BS. Under the new rules, it will be more difficult to "reverse engineer" a ship or item than to build a new one, therefore, I have agreed to the deal...(Again, this is a CARGO vessel) If they had asked for a BS straight out, the answer would have been "No"...Although the IMPs and FGZ "position" is "improving"...we are not *that* friendly towards each other. Once that "deal" was made the IMPs granted the FGZ a visa, and will allow us to "trade" within the Per. We are not allowed in the Capellan system... I hope this settles some issues in the concerned minds of the AFFs...(Personally, I would be more concerned about a race who has captured 2 "regular" Baseships...) Bests- J. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 22:38:19 -0400 From: Phil Krauskopf <pkrauskopf@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: TRN positions? -Reply Message-ID: <sf2c2c99.001@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> Hi Kevin, When most people join BSE, they start out as TRN until they join an affiliation. You were different, because you joined directly into us. PK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 01:36:39 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: FGZ/IMP "deal" Message-ID: <9501300142.S16058789@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Jack, You forgot to clarify for those who might insist that this means multiple BS, that this is 1 single, uncoated, freighter-only capable BS, to replace 1 triple coated SH carrying that rarest of artifacts, the FFN, (point of historical note: that had been the first FFN ever discovered). Not, a fleet of BS. S.Mathews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 01:33:02 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: TRN positions? Message-ID: <9501300142.S16050076@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Howdy Kevin, Phil K. already explained what TRN was. The Jax mission is one of several missions offered to TRN players, so that they can become involved in the game and learn more of how things work. As I understand it, a TRN ship is instructed by PD Darien of EEM Hypso (keep in mind that this is pre-Krieger purchase of EEM) to take a sealed data disk to PD Lask (again old stuff, ABM told me that they fixed the character in '93) at ISP Jax, and deliver it untampered, to prove their reliability. The TRN player has a further several courses of action once they recieve the disk, from reading it themself, to taking it to a specialist in cracking special seals, to delivering it unopened. Never really cared what was on the disk myself, as TRN players are limited in their actions anyways. As I understand it, approx. 33-50% of all TRN players choose the Jax Mission, because it is the easiest to fulfill with their knowledge of the game. S. Mathews ------------------------------ End of BSE-L Digest 9 ********************* Up