ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #17

From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)

Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 19:58:09 +0000

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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 14:25:45 -0600 (CST)
From: OLIVERG@carleton.edu
Subject: PLAYERS ATL - Rules Errata?

Is anyone keeping a rules errata?

I usually note what rules changes/errors that come up in atl-players,
  but since I delete atlantis mail every day, I wonder if I haven't
  lost some important information.

A monthly errata might be useful.

George Oliver
oliverg@carleton.edu
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:14:36 -0600 (CST)
From: <carioca@io.com>
Subject: Re: mail and RP

On Sat, 28 Jan 1995, Joshua Mosher wrote:

> At 10:19 AM 1/28/95, Vlado Fedacko wrote:
> >Well, here are my $.02.

dislike of roleplaying mail deleted

> > 'coz it's taking away all that fun I'd have  exploring Atlantis and
> >its people (factions etc..). I prefer getting info about factions and
> >alliances directly from players, when I meet their units.., or if
> >I've some units in cities, form Times. How could I make an alliance
> >with somebody I've never seen (in world of Atlantis) or even heard of?

I like to think of it as diplomatic mail.

> >Hmmm, if it will go on, I think
I'll suggest definig purpose of this
> >mailing list(exact, fe: to solve question like 'How do I use command
> >XXX?', upgrade ideas etc, RPing.. )  and maybe even set some rules
> >for incoming mail... Who will break them (knowing what's she/he
> >doing) will be removed or whatever..
>
> Well, this has been dealt with before, and Geoff has said that roleplaying
> _is_ appropriate here. I think this is a legitimate activity, since it
> fulfills a significant purpose (sometimes you don't want to wait for the
> Times). Some things are _not_ appropriate such as upgrade ideas, which
> belong in the design list, and direct roleplaying communication between
> players that is not of general interest, which belongs in personal email.
> But please everyone don't stomp on everyone for playing the game. That is
> what this list is for, just like all the other parts of the game. If you
> are getting upset by what you consider spam, unsubscribe. If you still want
> to look for bug reports, read the digest.
>
> Josh Mosher
>
I personaly like all the rolplaying messages, they add to the atmosphere
of the game.  If private email is sent to the list then it is like their
"diplomatic mail" was read on the way

-carioca
		O Grande Mestre dos Banderantes

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From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)
Subject: Re: mail and RP
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:05:55 -0800 (PST)

> I personaly like all the rolplaying messages, they add to the atmosphere
> of the game.  If private email is sent to the list then it is like their
> "diplomatic mail" was read on the way
 Geoff,
 How about and atl-rp list ? This would end the discussions about
RP in the atl-players list. I think there are more emails about this than
RP emails in the list right now :-O

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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 00:40:14 +0500
From: roy@acasun.eckerd.edu (Jonathan Roy)
Subject: Re: Mail nightmare!!!!!

I suggest you, and all other people who don't like lots of mail in
their mail box, use procmail. I use it to split the design, players,
crossfire, and Babylon5 mailng list mail into files automagicly,
and then I read the mail when I feel like it. No clutter in my
normal mailbox, and it's nice and easy. :)

from my .procmailrc file:

MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail
LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/mlog

:0
* ^From.owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net
atl-players

:0
* ^From.owner-atl-design@tango.rahul.net
atl-design

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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 20:03:06 +1300 (NZDT)
From: Peter Fleming <pfleming@eros.otago.ac.nz>
Subject: The Atlantean Enquirer

>>> Hearyee Hearyee, Clang Clang, Hearyee hearyee <<<

Sharpen yer quills and pin back yer ears,
Hearken to this message one and all, Great and small

The Familial Publishing House of Murderoch, Murderoch and Spoon Announce
the new Atlantian weekly Digest of News, Views, rumours and Lies Damn Lies.

A NEW Newspaper to augment and perhaps replace the Atlantis Times, this
scurillous rag shall be The Atlantean Enquirer.

I Maximus Tiberius Murderoch am your most humble editor (hic).
Please Address your carrier pigeons and whatnot to...
pfleming@eros.otago.ac.nz
Subject: The Atlantean Enquirer

Let it be known that The Atlantean Enquirer is a Midweek and perforce a
mid-turn publication  this is a far more useful time for those of us
who've got serious plotting to do..
All readers are welcome, nay encouraged to send in little tidbits, that i
(ahem) shall strip bare of all incriminating headers and such forth,
quickly file off the serial numbers and with only a modicum of judgement
post forthwith and without delay on a Thursday or maybe a Friday or would
Wednesday day night be better for catching the after Circus crowd, no
maybe ....

[SNIP]
    arrgh thankyou Gladys

_________________THE ATLANTEAN ENQUIRER________________
                                     issue the first

ELVIS SIGHTED IN KOMARKEN!!
Tina Scrubbs, polar bear beautician claims she saw Elvis in downtown
Komarken, " It looked just like Elvis," she cried, "I could tell it were
him even under that big fur suit and eskimo cape!".
Counciler Hermando-Frost, of the Komarken Alliance of the Northern Lights
rubbed his red hands briskly together and stamped a bit, before
commenting, "Elvis has been officially sighted here, this goes to show
that we DIDN'T make a stupid descion to come here, as some fools have
suggested. But that we shall soon corner the Atlantean Snow Market, Damn
its cold"

SEAMONSTER SIGHTED IN STINCHAR
"it ate up me dinghy" sez sozzled shipmate
This is an Exclusive, Yes the Seamonsters have already begun their
menacing marauding along the poorly defended coastlines. One faction (at
least) is in deep danger of losing their only leader. Stay tuned for more
information, next week.

PILE UP IN SLEDMERE
The city of Sledmere, once a quiet backwater of murderous Vikings now
booms in the wake of a tremendous influx of fortune hunters, pirates, an
assassin (in training) and H. Humbolts Gathering. This once Provincial
Port, nestled in the verdant forsets of Nork (who named these places)
seems destined for exciting times.
With the promise of many major colleges of learning, groundstones already
being purchased (BUY BUY BUY) and a ready supply of timber for a fleet,
Sledemere seems certain to become the Birmingham of Atlantis.
Unless Faction(124), have their way, this faction who once described
everyone else as WIMPS are now demanding that anyone who enters (or
leaves)  Sledmere without their permission shall be SPANKED. Do i smell
trouble, will someone closer to the scene send a special (anonymous)
report next week???

CARTOGRAPHERS CONSORTIUM CAUGHT SHORT
Tim Hruby main man behind the biggest co-ordinated exploration ever
witnessed, admits privately that "Far be it for me, in my enfeebled and
be-spectacled state, to step widely across the plains, full of vigor and
excitement for the adventures to come.  Alas, now I spend my days buried
in reports and paperwork, unable to leave my cubicle in the business
district"
  "But still a single pale rider rides off into the dawn, Yes to their
glory and all others shame, some few have the courage to measure this
world, find its absolute dimensions and bring back the knowledge we need
to build a magical GUI globe."
 Can a world such a this, with people such as these ever be truly known,
asks this reporter.

CLASSIFIEDS
Reporters wanted for The Atlantean Enquirer, actual news not required,
nor the ability to distinguish the truth.

Until next week,
Maximus Tiberius Murderoch  (hic)
pfleming@eros.otago.ac.nz
All correspondence shall be answered

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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Subject: Atlantis: Docs in New Formats!
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 14:37:27 -0500 (EST)

Ok folks, I counted those hands that stuck up and were counted.  I have put
out in my ftp site [ftp@clark.net ftp/pub/matthew/] three alternate versions
of the case headed table of contents enhanced rules I have earlier discussed.
You will find atl-rules.doc [MS Word for Windows 6.0], atl-wp51.doc [Word
Perfect 5.1 for dos], atl-wd3x.doc [MS Word for dos versions 3x - 5x] and
atl-mw51.mcw [MS Word for Macintosh 5.1].  Please grap them as you like, and
let me know how they look.  I can not read the latter 3 as I only have MS
Word for Windows 6.0.  The case heading should be good, I am not certain
that the TOC will work, but it should be fixable by your own application.
For those who asked, the margins on my version are, in inches, top 1, bottom
1, left 1.25, right 1.25, gutter .5, header & fotter .5.  The base font is
times new roman 10, but the title and three levels of headers are in larger
fonts, and some of the tables are in smaller fonts.

If you find typos or ommissions, please call them to my attention at
my below address - the list probably does not want to here about it.  Note
that Geoff has sanctioned my offering, but not the contents.  I have added
the recent clarifications from Geoff and added a table or two, but that is
about it for changes.  Enjoy.  If you are overcome with gratitude you
can always instruct geoff to forward your times silver credit to me :)

--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net

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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Subject: Atlantis: Docs in New Formats!
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 14:37:27 -0500 (EST)

--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net

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From: tim.hruby@his.com
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 16:53:44
Subject: Atlantis:  Mail nightmare

> I suggest you, and all other people who don't like lots of mail in
 > their mail box, use procmail. I use it to split the design, players,
 > crossfire, and Babylon5 mailng list mail into files automagicly,
 > and then I read the mail when I feel like it. No clutter in my
 > normal mailbox, and it's nice and easy. :)
 >
 > from my .procmailrc file:
 >
 > MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail
 > LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/mlog
 >

While helpful to some, you should realize that this is a platform and access
specific suggestion.  People hook up to the internet through all sorts of
methods, from all sorts of access-suppliers, and on all sorts of computer
platforms.

Many, if not most, of us do not have the kind of access and computing power one
gets at a (taxpayer subsidized) .edu account, and often don't have any choice
as to what kind of mailer program we can run.  That's why we try to use the
"Altantis" prefix in the subject line; so that everyone can separate out the
Altantis mail.

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From: Geoff Dunbar <atlantis@rahul.net>
Subject: Atlantis 2.0: atl-players list
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 23:38:58 -0800

This is a weekly posting for the atl-players mailing list. This list
is meant for all players in the Atlantis 2.0. Mail sent to this list
should be appropriate for all players of Atlantis 2.0. Rules questions
should probably be sent to the moderator (atlantis@rahul.net), he can
then forward the question and answer to the list. Role-playing is
appropriate, but faction-to-faction email should not be sent to the
list.

To send mail to everyone on this list, send mail to:

atl-players@tango.rahul.net

Please include the word 'Atlantis' in your Subject line, so the other
recipients of the list can identify your message.

If you wish to be taken off of this list, just let me know, at
atlantis@rahul.net. You do not need to be on this list to play
Atlantis 2.0.

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: ATLANTIS
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:06:37 +0000 (GMT)

Dear all,

Just had this Idea...

To dam up the flow of mail without restricting content, why don't we mutually
agree only to send ONE piece of mail each to the list PER DAY.

I, like several others here, am guilty of multiple postings several times a
week, and I realise that although I like talking to talk too much, some of you
might not appreciate it.

Players could now read/junk (delete as applicable) their mail, and formulate
all the replies that need to go to the whole list into one message. This would
take a little longer and produce longer messages, but if we all did it, the
reduced mail load should more than make up the time.

To put my money where my mouth is, and to no-doubt please you all, I'll do
just that myself - limit myself to one load of rambling per day.

until tomorrow...

Jon.
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From: yaj@cc.gatech.edu (Jay Luo)
Subject: Are you in Kashmar/Dezhou?
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:01:52 -0500 (EST)

To all in Kashmar and Dezhou:

As a war faction, I am announcing my intention to establish control of
hex (2,18), nearby Kashmar.  I will say now that this hex is a barren
hunk of rock with few inhabitants and poor resources, but, dammit, it's
going to be MY barren hunk of rock!

As my units are the first to have entered this hex (along with unit 1082 --
the owner of which is free to contact me if he wishes to discuss this
claim; I would be glad to recognize this person's claim to another hex),
and because I've a rather sizable expedition of Free Companions ready to
move in from Kashmar, I feel that my claim is quite justified and I plan
on moving into this area in force in order to tax the daylights out of
the pitiful inhabitants of this hex.  I have no desire for conflict with
anyone else, and thus I am announcing my claim to the world so no one else
makes plans involving taxing (2,18).  I'm not planning on barring passage
through this hex to anyone, and in fact if some trade faction is interested
contracting their services with me in this hex, I'm open to offers.

I am also planning on maintaining some operations in Kashmar as well, and
anyone wishing to discuss cooperation in Kashmar is welcome to contact me.

the Captain

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From: Geoff Dunbar <atlantis@rahul.net>
Subject: Atlantis 2.0 question
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 08:52:08 -0800

>Is there a way to tell if a faction is allied to you?

There is no direct way.

Geoff
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From: Marios Chrysopoulos <chrysop@ics.forth.gr>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:42:36 +0200
Subject: Atlantis - learning skills

What happens if a unit composed of normal men tries to STUDY some skill which
it does not know, while it already knows one skill? E.g. a unit which knows
Lumberjacking tries to STUDY COMBAT (useful in war situations!!!)

Does the unit 'forget' the previous skill and gain [30] days of study in the
new one? (or [60] if there's a teacher around)
Or the command simply fails?

Marios

P.S.: Any faction near Stinchar which would care for a peaceful coexistence
(and why not? an alliance), please contact me as soon as possible...the sooner
we coordinate our actions the better for all of us...
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:06:56 -0500
From: "Brent R. Johnson" <Brent.Johnson@cle.ab.com>
Subject: Atlantis 2:  uncultured Atlanteans

One of my units (the Turing Players) executed an ENTERTAIN order in
Atlantis City during Turn 2.

I got no silver for this endeavor. Not ONE measly piece of silver
out of the 60 I would have gotten in the absence of competition.

It's hard for me to believe that:

1. The entertainment competition was so intense that a demand of
    $600 represented less than one-sixtieth of the supply. (Were
    there *really* more than 1800 entertainers in Atlantis City
    plying their trade last turn?)

2. My unit's syntax was wrong. (All you gotta say is "ENTERTAIN".
    for Pete's sake - and the unit's previous GIVE order got
    executed correctly.)

3. The Turing Players are incompetent. (Their skill is attested
    to in the turn report.)

I am left with only two explanations:

1. The inhabitants of Atlantis are too uncultured to appreciate
    high-quality serious entertainment, and wasted all their
    entertainment dollars on vulgar amateurish stuff like
    Acrobatty and the Jokomicalaughunny Buffoons.

2. There is a BUG in the CODE!

Did anyone out there get any entertainment income?

<< Brent (faction 32)
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From: Geoff Dunbar <atlantis@rahul.net>
Subject: Atlantis 2.0: Common Mistakes
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 09:51:28 -0800

Here is a list of some common mistakes that people have made in
the first few turns of Atlantis.

1) Use the correct subject line when submitting orders.
Subject: orders <faction number>

2) The first line of your orders should be
#ATLANTIS <faction number>
and not
# ATLANTIS <faction number>

3) Make sure all of your orders are given by a unit.

4) Atlantis City is very crowded; If you try to buy something,
you may not get it.

5) Use CLAIM to get your unclaimed gold.

6) Make sure you specify an alias when forming a new unit. There
is an extensive section on how to do this in the rules, under the
FORM order.

7) Make sure you always have the latest edition of the rules.
Older copies have some confusing errors and misinformation in
them.