ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #16

From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)

Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 21:02:43 +0000

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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:43:53 +0500 (EST)
From: "J. T. Smith" <jts@telerama.lm.com>
Subject: ORDERS 73

#ATLANTIS 73

UNIT 301
CLAIM 700
FACTION WAR
STUDY COM

FORM 5
	NAME UNIT "Mud Justice"
	BUY 7 TRM
	STUDY COM
	END

UNIT 767
	NAME UNIT "League Bitter A"

FORM 1
		NAME UNIT "League Bitter C"
		BUY 9 HEL
		STUDY COM
	END

FORM 2
		NAME UNIT "Khoopharto"
	END

STUDY COM
	GIVE NEW 1 90
	GIVE NEW 2 1 LDR
	GIVE NEW 2 30 SIL

UNIT NEW 2
	STUDY ENT

UNIT 768
	NAME UNIT "League Bitter B"
	BUY 6 HEL
	STUDY COM

FORM 4
		NAME UNIT "Knautmi"
	END

GIVE NEW 4 1 HEL
	GIVE NEW 4 40 SIL

UNIT NEW 4
	MOVE S SE

#END

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Building questions.
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:39:17 +0000 (GMT)

Hi,

could you change one sort of building into another, eg go inside a tower and
issue the 'build fort' order?

Also, does destroying a building yeild any stone?

Will it say on the description in your report the condition of any buildings
in the area ( eg fort of doom, 20 units complete, or something)

I am wondering if a leader with high level in building could construct siege
engines. Don't laugh - it says in the rules that at high skill levels, certain
"bonus abilities" may appear. This could be one. The siege engine could
counterract the +2 defense for being in a building in some way.

Just thought I'd ask!

Jon.
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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 13:36:19 +0500 (EST)
From: "J. T. Smith" <jts@telerama.lm.com>
Subject: Re: ORDERS 73 (fwd)

On Fri, 27 Jan 1995 macfjm@mest.unizar.es wrote:

> Hello,
>
> you send a email to all player.
>
> PLEASE SEND EMAIL ONLY TO THE CORRECT ADRESS
>
> ALL THE PLAYERS REST FOR A MOMENT OF SO MUCH MAIL.
>
> THANKS.
>

My humble apologies.

JTSmith

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From: tim.hruby@his.com (Tim Hruby)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:28:10
Subject: Re: Atlantis: Entertainment Income

Geoff said:

> Sorry, this is a bug in the rules. $20 per level per man.
  >

Beads said:

> Doesn't each level of skill double the performace of the previous, so
> level three would be $80?

Why would you think this?  No other skill works exponentially (well, combat
_comparisons_ do -- but no "producing" type skill does).  An increase of one
skill level allows you to get one more of something, not double what you made
before.

Tim

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From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)
Subject: Re: ORDERS 73
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:07:08 -0800 (PST)

>
> #ATLANTIS 73
>
> UNIT 301
> CLAIM 700
> FACTION WAR
> STUDY COM
 Now this was smart :-)
 Anyone else feel like sharing their orders with us ?

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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:27:35 -0500
From: jhigham@k12.oit.umass.edu (Joshua Higham (NMH96))
Subject: Faction Types

Hi, I've looked over the allowances for faction types and I thought that
they seemed somewhat strict.  I think that a faction of any type should be
allowed to have one of any other type.  In other words, a War faction should
be able to produce in at least one region, and have one magician.  This is
mostly evidant with magicians, I don't see why a faction can't have a
magician if it is at war.

Also, can you "trade" magicians?  I.e. If I have a magicician, and I want to
become a war faction...do I just lose that faction?

Thanks.
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Date: 27 Jan 95 16:55:43 EST
From: Andrew.T.Natenshon@Dartmouth.EDU (Andrew T. Natenshon)
Subject: Re: Atlantis: APOLOGY

I am sorry , but I lost the rules , how do I quit the game ?

Thanks

Drewz
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:50:46 GMT
From: stretch@cityscape.co.uk (Matt Dunne)
Subject: Mail nightmare!!!!!

I can't believe all teh useless mail i'm getting from this atlantis mailling
list.

Its like 50 messages a day or something.

The atlantis game looks as if it will be great but I can do without the
mail.  I think it's use should be certainly restricted to announceing bugs
and games updates and not all this alliance shit.

I trash 90% of all the alliance mail I get, don't tell me I'm alone in this.

If you want a contact or to form an alliance put an add in the Times and
take it from there.

all i've got to say is "STOP IT"

This mailing list should be renamed "Bandwidth City".>:-!(this particular
smiley is very pissed off)...

Cheers,

Matt Dunne.

stretch@cityscape.co.uk

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"In today's world where righteous and lawful ideals are seldom rewarded it
is better to be the predator rather than the prey."  Matt Dunne on rush hour
traffic 1995.
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From: "Vlado Fedacko" <FEDACKO@frode.dcit.cz>
Date:          Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:19:45 MET-1DST
Subject:       mail and RP

Well, here are my $.02.
I think that there a lot of 'spam' mail on this list which could be
easily handled by Times or via private emails (such as 'I like your
idea, could I get more info?'). I thought that _this_ list is for
informing players what's new in code, answering questions related to
orders etc., not RPing list.. I don't like those RP mails going here,
 'coz it's taking away all that fun I'd have  exploring Atlantis and
its people (factions etc..). I prefer getting info about factions and
alliances directly from players, when I meet their units.., or if
I've some units in cities, form Times. How could I make an alliance
with somebody I've never seen (in world of Atlantis) or even heard of?

Hmmm, if it will go on, I think I'll suggest definig purpose of this
mailing list(exact, fe: to solve question like 'How do I use command
XXX?', upgrade ideas etc, RPing.. )  and maybe even set some rules
for incoming mail... Who will break them (knowing what's she/he
doing) will be removed or whatever..

A little bit upset Vlad.

P.S. :this mail is _also_ spam mail! I'm sorry I sent it, but ...
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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:07:28 -1812
From: bartlett@dorsai.dorsai.org (Chris Bartlett)
Subject: Atl: Buying from cities

I like the idea of a sealed bid auction for buying and selling to markets.
This is, after all, what we will probably do for player-player
transactions, whether or not the game supportsw it with a specific game
mechanic.
     Chris

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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:03:19 -1812
From: bartlett@dorsai.dorsai.org (Chris Bartlett)
Subject: Atl: list and Times

There has been some grumbling about role-playing on the player list.  I
have a proposed solution.  Since most people who use the list do so because
the Times only comes out once a week, would it be possible to make the
times come out more than once a week?  If so, one could post an article
there, with some reasonable hope of a timely response.  I don't know how
much work Geoff has to do to put the times together, so this may be an
unrealistic approach.  This would also probably reduce the size of the
Times, which would not be a bad thing, and significantly reduce the traffic
on this list.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 18:01 GMT
From: Jochen Theis <J.Theis@pmms.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis: APOLOGY

I just realized that I accidentally replied to a few mails which had
the list in the "CC:" field without deleting that entry. I'm terribly
sorry for unnecessary clutter of mail. Please forgive my oversight.

H.Humboldt, faction 135
(J.Theis@pmms.cam.ac.uk)
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 11:11:05 -0600
From: Dave Larson <ldavid@utdallas.edu>
Subject: Re: Mail nightmare!!!!!

I have to agree.  I currently have 79 messages in my mailbox all of which
concern atlantis.  I want to receive important messages, but the other
stuff should be put in the Times.  I just don't have time to have a life
and read this mail too!

Dave

On Sat, 28 Jan 1995, Matt Dunne wrote:

> I can't believe all teh useless mail i'm getting from this atlantis mailling
> list.
>
> Its like 50 messages a day or something.
>
> The atlantis game looks as if it will be great but I can do without the
> mail.  I think it's use should be certainly restricted to announceing bugs
> and games updates and not all this alliance shit.
>
> I trash 90% of all the alliance mail I get, don't tell me I'm alone in this.
>
> If you want a contact or to form an alliance put an add in the Times and
> take it from there.
>
> all i've got to say is "STOP IT"
>
> This mailing list should be renamed "Bandwidth City".>:-!(this particular
> smiley is very pissed off)...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt Dunne.
>
> stretch@cityscape.co.uk
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "In today's world where righteous and lawful ideals are seldom rewarded it
> is better to be the predator rather than the prey."  Matt Dunne on rush hour
> traffic 1995.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:29:57 -0500
From: mosherj@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Joshua Mosher)
Subject: Re: mail and RP

At 10:19 AM 1/28/95, Vlado Fedacko wrote:
>Well, here are my $.02.
>I think that there a lot of 'spam' mail on this list which could be
>easily handled by Times or via private emails (such as 'I like your
>idea, could I get more info?'). I thought that _this_ list is for
>informing players what's new in code, answering questions related to
>orders etc., not RPing list.. I don't like those RP mails going here,
> 'coz it's taking away all that fun I'd have  exploring Atlantis and
>its people (factions etc..). I prefer getting info about factions and
>alliances directly from players, when I meet their units.., or if
>I've some units in cities, form Times. How could I make an alliance
>with somebody I've never seen (in world of Atlantis) or even heard of?
>
>Hmmm, if it will go on, I think I'll suggest definig purpose of this
>mailing list(exact, fe: to solve question like 'How do I use command
>XXX?', upgrade ideas etc, RPing.. )  and maybe even set some rules
>for incoming mail... Who will break them (knowing what's she/he
>doing) will be removed or whatever..

Well, this has been dealt with before, and Geoff has said that roleplaying
_is_ appropriate here. I think this is a legitimate activity, since it
fulfills a significant purpose (sometimes you don't want to wait for the
Times). Some things are _not_ appropriate such as upgrade ideas, which
belong in the design list, and direct roleplaying communication between
players that is not of general interest, which belongs in personal email.
But please everyone don't stomp on everyone for playing the game. That is
what this list is for, just like all the other parts of the game. If you
are getting upset by what you consider spam, unsubscribe. If you still want
to look for bug reports, read the digest.

Josh Mosher

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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 14:00:50 -0600
From: Dave Larson <ldavid@utdallas.edu>
Subject: Re: mail and RP

Hi Joshua,

While I appreciate your sentiments, if this is really a "player's" list,
then we all ought to be able to voice our opinions as to the proper use
and misuse of it.  This is a play test and this list should be just
as subject to scrutiny and suggestion as any other aspect of the game. With
all the imaginative and creative people on this list there must be someone
who sees a way to find a middle ground between unrestrained ramblings and
discussion only.

Dave

On Sat, 28 Jan 1995, Joshua Mosher wrote:

> At 10:19 AM 1/28/95, Vlado Fedacko wrote:
> >Well, here are my $.02.
> >I think that there a lot of 'spam' mail on this list which could be
> >easily handled by Times or via private emails (such as 'I like your
> >idea, could I get more info?'). I thought that _this_ list is for
> >informing players what's new in code, answering questions related to
> >orders etc., not RPing list.. I don't like those RP mails going here,
> > 'coz it's taking away all that fun I'd have  exploring Atlantis and
> >its people (factions etc..). I prefer getting info about factions and
> >alliances directly from players, when I meet their units.., or if
> >I've some units in cities, form Times. How could I make an alliance
> >with somebody I've never seen (in world of Atlantis) or even heard of?
> >
> >Hmmm, if it will go on, I think I'll suggest definig purpose of this
> >mailing list(exact, fe: to solve question like 'How do I use command
> >XXX?', upgrade ideas etc, RPing.. )  and maybe even set some rules
> >for incoming mail... Who will break them (knowing what's she/he
> >doing) will be removed or whatever..
>
> Well, this has been dealt with before, and Geoff has said that roleplaying
> _is_ appropriate here. I think this is a legitimate activity, since it
> fulfills a significant purpose (sometimes you don't want to wait for the
> Times). Some things are _not_ appropriate such as upgrade ideas, which
> belong in the design list, and direct roleplaying communication between
> players that is not of general interest, which belongs in personal email.
> But please everyone don't stomp on everyone for playing the game. That is
> what this list is for, just like all the other parts of the game. If you
> are getting upset by what you consider spam, unsubscribe. If you still want
> to look for bug reports, read the digest.
>
> Josh Mosher
>
>
>