BSE-L Digest 7 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 18:28:55 +0000 BSE-L Digest 7 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) QSN ANNOUNCEMENT by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 2) FGZ Posting by Jackmyster@aol.com 3) by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 4) WCE Announces New War Secretary by Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> 5) by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 6) Porkette Restrictions by Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> 7) Re: BSE - Watch Out... by Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 8) Re: BSE - The new rules - The stinkin' warship captain thing by Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 9) Re: TRN Listing by Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> 10) BSE-L digest 6 by "Paul J. Sinatra" <76510.2760@compuserve.com> 11) QSN Response by Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) 12) Re: WCE Announces New War Sec... by StephMarte@aol.com 13) Re: BSE - The new rules - The... by StephMarte@aol.com 14) BSE QSN by Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> 15) BSE FGZ-QSN by Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:07:45 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: QSN ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <9501270709.S9355497@dallas.relay.ucm.org> OOC: Peter, What are Tom's real feelings on this dispute? I've read Richard's version, but i'ld like to hear from an outside source. Steve M. (that's Mathews, not Marte) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 08:21:32 -0500 From: Jackmyster@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: FGZ Posting Message-ID: <950127082130_700989@aol.com> The FGZ are still one Republic...However, in answer to the question, they will only be fired on in the TH. This is more of a "Defense Action" in responce to the recent QSN posting of the FGZ. Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:34:49 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Message-ID: <9501270739.S9384058@dallas.relay.ucm.org> To: all I was talking with someone last night, who mentioned that he didn't like the fact that only the EEM would get a list of all the TRN players because they would all start at EEM Hypso, and to a smaller extent, the IMP would recieve a list from ISP Jax's printout, of all TRN ships which ran the Jax TRN mission. I once sent a copy of the most recent (at that time) scan list of TRN ships to the MYR (cause they asked). I can post publicly all TRN players which arrive at Jax, including addresses. Question is, Do y'all want me to? How often? Keep in mind that it tends to be a long list, and I have no intention of doing it more often than once every few weeks. Also keep in mind that not every TRN player does the JAX mission, so it is not complete list of all TRN players... but it does give something from which y'all can recruit. S. Mathews ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 08:41:57 -0400 From: Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> To: bse-l@consensus.com Subject: WCE Announces New War Secretary Message-ID: <sf28b200.019@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> The WCE news agency, Pravda, today announced the successor to the post of Secretary of War. After much deliberation and consideration, the Secretariot chose Sir Arthur Curry to succeed previous War Secretary Brezhnev. Sir Arthur brings many, many years of experience with him to the WCE Central Command, ranging from covert activities to major space and ground battles. Insiders at Odin's Eye say that Horst Treyder is very pleased that Sir Arthur agreed to take the post, and believes that, with Sir Arthur at the helm of the WCE military machine, assets fo the Empire will be safe from aggression into the foreseeable future. Tyron (Ty) Meup Ringbone Independent News Group ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:28:06 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: bse-l@consensus.com Message-ID: <9501270740.S9380120@dallas.relay.ucm.org> <Admiral von Monts> Ensign, signal the fleet to continue sweeping the surface of little. That pirate base is down there somewhere. <Comm officer> Aye, sir. <Science officer> Sir, sensors detect an anamolous energy reading in sector 2-6. <Admiral> Intensify scans of that sector, and report. <Science officer> Aye sir...calibrating.... sensors detect man-made objects, emitting a low power source. Mass indicates it is the size of a colony. Sensors do not show an active transponder... very suspicious... increasing scans another 10%.... there, in center of colony, the RIP flag flying over the colony governor's house.... transponder signal now detected on extreme end of known RIP frequencies, a seldom used one. Target identified as RIP colony Temple Moonbeam. <Admiral> Signal the target data to the fleet, all ships to lock on target, and fire at will. Time to introduce these pirates to the Emperor's justice. Science officer, maintain sensor lock, no sense in wasting excessive firepower. >.... the fleet unleashes the firepower that smashed Demon's Gorge..... <science officer> Sir, Ring's 2 & 3 destroyed. <admiral> Continue bombardment, I don't want to waste time with a ground battle. Apparently RIP Slave Driver wasn't a good enough lesson. Perhaps a second colony reduced to a smoking hole in the ground will drive the lesson home. >...moments later... <science officer> Ring 1 now destroyed. <Admiral> signal the fleet to cease fire. Order ITS Free Enterprise to bring up 3rd Battallion, 66th Armor, and land them to check for survivors. Signal all Dreadnoughts to resume sweeping the surface, for RIP GP's or any other RIP colonies which may be present. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:31:46 -0400 From: Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> To: bse-l@consensus.com Subject: Porkette Restrictions Message-ID: <sf28d9d7.073@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> To all travelers in the Transhole: The WCE government has proclaimed the Porkette system to be restricted WCE space. Travel inside this system, or the establishment of colonies inside this system without the expressed, written permission of the WCE, are postable offenses. Approval can only be obtained at the Secretariot level. Horst Treyder General Secretary Whitehole Colonial Empire ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 95 13:12:24 ES From: Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> To: BSE Mailing List <BSE_Mailing_List@crd.lotus.com> Subject: Re: BSE - Watch Out... Message-ID: <9501271815.AA02956@internet1.lotus.com> ...for the return of the KZK. This has been a public service announcement. --Fin --------------------------------------------------------------------- Finvarra McCabe - Stellar Mining & Smelting - Information Coordinator ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 95 14:00:14 ES From: Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> To: BSE-L <BSE-L@consensus.com>, RTGames <RTGames@aol.com> Subject: Re: BSE - The new rules - The stinkin' warship captain thing Message-ID: <9501271904.AA04196@internet1.lotus.com> Entire Message OOC: I, as a representative of an affiliation that can't build warships in the first place, have an especially hard time with the proposed rules change that would require Starcaptains to have a certain rank based upon the size of the warship that they command. An affiliation that can produce a fleet of 40+ warships quickly stands to a much smaller percentage of their eligible warship captains in any space battle, because they could, theoretically, end a space battle in one round, losing few, if any, ships. When one belongs to an affiliation that must acquire warships through purchase and trade, it's very easy to lose most or all of one's experienced military starcaptains in one fell swoop. I would like to offer three suggestions to RTG and to this list for consideration as a means of handling this problem. 1) Any ranked starcaptain may command any size warship, BUT For each rank below the "required" rank, his/her ship will suffer a 10% Accuracy penalty when firing its weapons. And for each rank ABOVE the "required" rank, his/her ship will enjoy a 5% Accuracy BONUS when firing its weapons. This allows for a [slightly] smaller, better trained fleet to actually hold its own against a larger, but green, fleet. 2) Consider pilots leaving their military careers to join commercial airlines. This option would allow a position to "hire away" a qualified starcaptain of the required rank from somewhere in the Inner Empire (or somewhere else if an Alien race is being considered), for a BOUNTY equal to 10,000 Stellars per rank difference. 3) Option 3 would be a combination of BOTH of the above options. My personal preference is for Option 3. Thoughts? I'd especially like to hear from Rolling Thunder Games about this. --Derek Smith (aka Minister Finvarra McCabe, SMS Info Coordinator) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:04:27 -0800 From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: TRN Listing Message-ID: <v02110100ab4f013dbb64@[198.68.251.11]> At 5:34 AM 1/27/95, steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org wrote: >I was talking with someone last night, who mentioned that he didn't like the >fact that only the EEM would get a list of all the TRN players because they >would all start at EEM Hypso, and to a smaller extent, the IMP would recieve >a list from ISP Jax's printout, of all TRN ships which ran the Jax TRN >mission. I once sent a copy of the most recent (at that time) scan list of >TRN ships to the MYR (cause they asked). I can post publicly all TRN players >which arrive at Jax, including addresses. Question is, Do y'all want me to? >How often? Keep in mind that it tends to be a long list, and I have no >intention of doing it more often than once every few weeks. Also keep in >mind that not every TRN player does the JAX mission, so it is not complete >list of all TRN players... but it does give something from which y'all can >recruit. I for one, would appreciate the list once a month or so. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ... Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. ... Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. ... GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) SF, CA 94114-3615 .. ... Petroom (#2713) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. ... <GTT-PD@consensus.com> (call before 9 Pacific) .. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 95 17:21:01 EST From: "Paul J. Sinatra" <76510.2760@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:BSE-L@consensus.com" <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: BSE-L digest 6 Message-ID: <950127222100_76510.2760_EHB167-1@CompuServe.COM> To Whom it may concern; Please delete me from your mailing list for these Internet downloads. I do not play BSE and have no need of it. It has become quite annoying to continue deleting your posts. Also, I find it ludicrious that I should be charged to receive this mail. Thank You; Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 19:05:54 -0800 From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) To: bse-l@consensus.com Cc: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM, marstep@aol.com Subject: QSN Response Message-ID: <9501280305.AA04347@shadows.Eng.Sun.COM> Corrections are obviously in order with respect to a previous newsreport. In addition, the QSN is currently researching the Empire libel laws as they apply to the Periphery. >>>Dateline Odudus >> >>***ODUDUS PUT UNDER AN GLOBAL WARMING WARNING***** >> >>At a recent news conference the QSN Maalox announced that for the next 4 >>weeks all production on the planet must stop! It appears that the greatly incr >>eased temperature of the planet is being caused by the "hot air" that has >>been coming from their Minister of Propaganda's office. "This is a very >>serious matter", the Maalox was quoted, "we either have to silence him...or >>shut down production...problem is that you can't get a word in edgewise to >>tell him to shut up..." Of course nothing of the kind occured! The temperature increase was due solely to the rising wrath of the much put-upon Qumans, in response to a series of continuing FGZ provocations. The extra heart generates considerable heat when it is called into action. Coldblooded creatures (such as the misguided reporter) tend not to understand this. >> >>In a completely related event, the Quman Space Navy placed this add in the >>Capellan Per. Times: >> >>"Feeling worthless, unloved, unwanted...you probably are. Why not go ahead >>and end it now! Be the first on your block to met your Maker! That's >>right...for a limited time, we are offering new Starcaptains the trip of a >>life time! To actually see the inside of the Mace system and the famed >>colony FGZ NeverWhere! You'll be so excited, that you'll know your ready to >>die...then you will! Go to the Maker with a Smile on your face and a Photon >>burn on your ass! Join the QSN Shock Fleet. Spacing is limited, cause we've >>only got so many ships to waste! Don't delay, sign up now!" >> Another dastardly canard!! This advertisement never appeared in any trade journal, let alone the august Times. FYI, the response to the genuine article is quite heartening. Apparently there are actually folks out there who for some obscure reason don't maintain the highest possible regard for the FGZ. Takes all kinds to populate a galaxy I suppose. >>OOC- >>Richard, since you've decided to openly "flame" me, I thought I would respond >>in kind. Obviously FGZ central is a cold world if the original posting was considered a flame! >> As of today, I've not threatened either you or the QSN. (or anyone >>else) A welcome surprise, and the first really newsworthy item of the entire report!! Of course the next few paragraphs went and spoiled this claim, but still .. Hopefully all concerned can now move slowly away from the abyss. Respectfully, Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Blue Whale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 22:23:49 -0500 From: StephMarte@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: WCE Announces New War Sec... Message-ID: <950127222346_1616234@aol.com> <image of a white haired gentleman wearing WCE uniform and "Sir Arthur Curry" nameplate appears on your monitor> Greetings and salutations starcaptains, insects & turnipheads, <spoken with utmost respect> :) As the new WCE War Secretary I would like to assure all those who might be wondering about my past associates <picture of Will Scaflock in midst of lotus seizure flashes on background screen>, I assure you my intention is to run the WCE military machine honorably and with the utmost restraint. Firefights, pirating <ahem>, and bar room brawling will not be tolerated in the TH! That is all. <screen flickers out> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 22:39:00 -0500 From: StephMarte@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: BSE - The new rules - The... Message-ID: <950127223858_1638064@aol.com> Hail SMS, In these days of bloated battleships i think the stinking starcaptain rule is much needed! Otherwise the problem will be much worse than you suggest. Affliations will be cranking out dozens of mega-cruisers and handing them out to Gilligan, Maryann, whomever. It would seem if a pilot were to join the SMS he should stick to his chosen profession and use his skills to acquire a warship if that's what he desires. Come to think of it, i would be willing to pay an SMS pilot to do some work for me. If you could suggest someone, or have one of your starcaptains contact me, it would be much appreciated. Regards, Sir Arthur Curry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 00:19:41 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> To: bse-digest <bse-l@consensus.com> Subject: BSE QSN Message-ID: <Pine.APO.3.91.950127220818.17127A-100000@tempest.berkeley.edu> To ISP PD, I believe that the ISP PD should not concern or deem to lecture others on proper behavior. You do not know the entire story, but one small aspect of it. If you really believe that the QSN have looked for war, then you are sadly mistaken. I do not want to argue the details in public, but understand that the Den of Earth knew we were disturbed by the destruction of QSN ships by FGZ and instead of stopping, he went ahead and did so again. To us, this is not a friendly act. If the Den of Earth agrees, I have all our correspondance saved and you can judge for yourself who is more interested in the cause of peace. Unlike the Imperials, we have not been offered Baseships that are fully armed with photon guns and thorlium coated as a peace offering. While I do not question the Imperial's desire for peace, I do wonder why this detail was kept from the public as it brings into question ulterior motives in expressing your opinion. If the FGZ were to lose significant assets, then it would be unlikely that they could quickly fufill their obligations to you. I would recomend that you make public such deals as keeping them secret only makes others more likely to question the famed Imperial neutrality when they find out the details, which can only be bad for the Imperial reputation. The QSN desires and will strive for peace. That has been the general nature of all our communication with the FGZ. But, we can only be pushed so far. If you feel the need to comment next time, please ask all parties involved so you can get a real picture of the situation. It does not help already strained relations for you to involve yourself. This is especially true when you don't ask both parties and then try to offer an opinion to the public. Imperial comments are tended to be given and taken with at least a semblance of neutrality and fairness. As the Imperials have never asked the QSN side to this and from your message have talked to the FGZ, your opinions are obviously biased. The question then becomes why? This had been a personal message from, Minister Anton Qutroh BTW, I would call commenting without even beginning to understand the situation aside from a biased point of view very rash and a good example of what not to do as a leader. I will try to learn from your mistake. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 00:47:37 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> To: bse-digest <bse-l@consensus.com> Subject: BSE FGZ-QSN Message-ID: <Pine.APO.3.91.950128002609.18259A-100000@tempest.berkeley.edu> The QSN do indeed confirm that hot air is rising out of Oududs. Luckily for the rash of new starcaptains driving our models, production has not ceased!! The FGZ intelligence was sadly mistaken. The air spotted coming out of Minister Qutroh's office was from all the laughter at FGZ propaganda films. Minister Qutroh thought it very interesting for such a freedom loving society that your citizens sure love being slaves. There was some problem with hot air rising, but it was from some recent ships departing, so we can understand how the FGZ intelligence could get it mixed up. As for the recent QSN Naval Advertisement, we deny that we ever placed that ad and point at the FGZ for such a lousy trick. We would recommend that the FGZ be more careful in their tricks. Because if these "losers" are able to destroy FGZ positions, it will only be that much embarassing. Office of Propaganda OOC As for wasting the FGZ's time, I do not consider trying to smooth things out a waste of time, but the FGZ may feel differently. But, the FGZ need not worry. I will not waste your time any longer. If you spend time on us, it will be entirely your own fault (worrying and such). Jack, I did not flame you. I was just stating the situation. If you consider that a flame, then you must consider your non-threats threats, because we interpreted it that way. On that example about the ships, you neglected to mention you gave less than 2 days to move the ships. As for always keeping your word, I would ask you to recall a certain promise on allowing access to a certain race and the breaking of such promise. But of course you have some valid reason for breaking your word there, so it doesn't really count I guess. (hmm that was closer to a flame, but I didn't really mean it that way so I guess it shouldn't count) ------------------------------ End of BSE-L Digest 7 ********************* Up