BSE-L Digest 12 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 1995 16:40:45 +0000 BSE-L Digest 12 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: BSE-minty pickle sour sauce -Reply by Phil Krauskopf <pkrauskopf@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> 2) Re: The new rules - the stinkin' starcaptain thing by btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) 3) Re: The new rules - the stinkin' starcaptain thing -Reply by Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 4) Re: BSE - Watch Out... by Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 5) Rlo's Promotion by vlloyd@ima.infomail.com (Vickie Lloyd) 6) BSE by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> 7) INDy? by stephen.brown@pwrpalce.com (Stephen Brown) 8) SMS colony protection by Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> 9) BSE-L digest 9+ by GEOFF JOLLYE <100414.3246@compuserve.com> 10) Re: the stinkin' starcaptain by "Russell Boggs" <Russell_Boggs@isisph.com> 11) BSE: Rlo's promotion by Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 12) Thad has arrived by RTGames@aol.com 13) To the QSN by Jackmyster@aol.com 14) Re: To the QSN by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> 15) Re: BSE-L digest 11 by "Stu Krieger, EEM CEO" <71470.344@compuserve.com> 16) Re: BSE-L digest 10 by RFN2@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 02:29:44 -0400 From: Phil Krauskopf <pkrauskopf@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: BSE-minty pickle sour sauce -Reply Message-ID: <sf2f3505.014@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> Sir Arthur, If you were an Imperial officer, would YOU want to be the one to recommend Rlo for a promotion? Horst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 08:05:35 EST From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: The new rules - the stinkin' starcaptain thing Message-ID: <199502011305.IAA184432@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Sorry, I was responding to a Steve Marte post. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 95 15:49:08 ES From: Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> To: Phil Krauskopf <PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>, BSE-L <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: Re: The new rules - the stinkin' starcaptain thing -Reply Message-ID: <9502011502.AA02560@internet1.lotus.com> <OOC Mode ON again> Phil, I can see some validity in your point, but my fear is that the following situation occurs: 1) Two warring parties. For no reason, let's say they're the KTS (Killer Tomatoes) and the SMS. 2) The KTS get in a bunch of serious Warships. Let's say 50. Similarly, lets say the SMS have about 10 Capital Warships. 3) There's a space battle, maybe in the space square containing Hades 536 in the Spikan system. 4) SMS loses 10 ships and cannot replace them. KTS loses 3 ships and cannot replace them. Period. Unfair. And the Imperials are busy elsewhere, because none of the other companies can get warships either, because they don't have the captains. >Actually, I heard that RTG was looking at a different approach, >where an ensign could pilot nay ship, but that ship would receive >huge negative modifiers during battle, if it was too big. I could >go for this too. Good, and thank you. It was my idea. The idea was that they'd suffer a -10% accuracy PER RANK LEVEL beneath what was required for the ship. An Ensign running a Man-O-War would get a -40% (I think) this way. <snip> >Thus, allowing every company suddenly build major warships would >be very unfair to groups like the IMPs, who might well suddenly find >itself out-gunned, Well, I can learn to live with not building a decent warship, as long as I can build a decent MERCHANT SHIP, THAT SOMEONE WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO BUY. Or trade warships for. (Assuming we could run them) We can't even do that. Anyone want a Megahauler? Didn't think so. >With regards to SMS speial abilities: If you guys are getting >screwed, I suggest you talk it over with Pete and Thad. On my phone bill. Yeah, I know, they listen and all, certainly 1E+16 times better than Mike ever did. But we are getting screwed. One example: They were talking about cutting prospecting times maybe in half. That screws us big time. Our advantage wasn't in doing prospecting in 1/2 time, our advantage was in doing it in 25 FEWER TU's. Cut that advantage in half, to 12 or 13 TU's, and it starts to become meaningless. It gets lost in the Ship/GP movement times. --Derek ------------------------------------------------------------------ Error: No keyboard - Press <F1> to continue <Leaving OOC Mode ON (sigh) until this discussion is done> ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 95 15:19:22 ES From: Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> To: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Cc: BSE-L <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: Re: BSE - Watch Out... Message-ID: <9502011504.AA02856@internet1.lotus.com> <99.44% [Alright, who put in that Pentium?] Out of Character Mode ON> On 31 Jan 1995, Kerry Harrison wrote: >On 30 Jan 1995, Derek Smith wrote: >> Oh, Kerry, don't be ridiculous. I wasn't sworn to secrecy, and >> there were people around who were able to identify your description >> of events as pointing to the KZK. >If I want to be ridiculous, I'll be ridiculous - which was what my >reply was meant to be (i.e. a joke - you damn yankees just ain't got >no sense of humor at times). Well, that's certainly good news. See below >Although I do take a bit of exception to fact that you signed the post >as one of your characters when that character has no way of knowing in >game >that the KZK will be returning (no one in game knows this, out of game >a lot of people know that it's a possibility) - if you can't keep the >two straight I'll just mention such things to you. Nonsense, ALL of my characters are omniscient, didn't you know that? 8^) Seriously, though: Whereas that's a good point, your original message to me did not appear to be a joke, so certainly *appeared* to me to be exactly the sort of thing you just said *I* was doing. A smiley of some kind on your original message would have helped. I'm sure if I'd been actually talking to you on the phone I would have known, but inflection gets surgically removed by email gateways. >Kerry Derek <99.44% [Alright, who put in that Pentium?] Out of Character Mode OFF> -------------------------------------------------------------------- And, in a related story, the Jurassic Park government has accused the Jurassic Smurfs of violating the UN brokered cease fire by occasional bursts of sporadic execrable singing in the Northwestern enclave of Beet Patch. The Jurassic Smurfs responded by saying that the Jurassic Park government should "Smurf off." The Jurassic Park government then complained about the Jurassic Smurfs using profanity, to which the Jurassic Smurfs responded, "whatever." ------------------------------ Date: 01 Feb 95 07:52:26 -0600 From: vlloyd@ima.infomail.com (Vickie Lloyd) To: bse-l@consensus.com Subject: Rlo's Promotion Message-ID: <26f_9502010832@ima.infomail.com> Hey! I've promoted his ass lots of times and all I ever got for it was a recipe for some freakin' sour pickle dill sauces whatevers. yadda Maddie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: BSE Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502010807.A16989-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Please start sending me email at richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu My other account is working, but the mail server keeps going down. This account is much safer to work from. Richard Chiang QSN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 10:02:00 -0600 From: stephen.brown@pwrpalce.com (Stephen Brown) To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: INDy? Message-ID: <11b.1995.4@pwrpalce.com> B>Message-ID: <950129120559_3638532@aol.com> B>I would ask those players who plan on attacking NeverWhere will the illfated >QSN Shock Fleet to show some "spunk"...Fly your colors! Be proud of your >actions....if the FGZ are truly the "vermon" we are accused of, this is your >chance to prove your worthiness! B>I know you won't though.... B>Bests- >J. <zzzzzzzzzzt......XENOPHOBIC ASSIMILATION...LANGUAGE ACCESSED......> Den of the Earth...If PFM Terminus Fleet is to engage Flagritz subspecies, subspecies will be given considerable prior warning before fleet engagement...The Federation of Pennock is interested in the Acquisition of Baseship novelty craft and wish to have all forces assembled to make collection and destruction of said novelties, carried out expediently... ...Note, Quman subspecies not responsible for events of Pennockan involvement... Terminus Prime is reported to be uninterested in conflict with either race...However, Terminus Prime is responsible for security of Federation...War to be held outside of Periphery as per Imperial Visa requirements bestowed upon PFM... Terminus forces eager to wage war with warlike subspecies... Conflict with honor... -Terminus Prime... --- � QMPro 1.01 56-9391 � Misspelled? Impossible. My modem is error correcting. ------------------------------ Date: 01 Feb 95 14:53:01 EST From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> To: <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: SMS colony protection Message-ID: <950201195301_76114.3576_HHB56-2@CompuServe.COM> Derek, >>Sure. That's what our merchant pilots do. However, what our COLONY GOVERNORS **NEED** is warship protection. Hence the SMS needs warships as well. Why don't you stop side-stepping that?<< Why don't you let the colony governors rely on the government (whose space the colony is in) to protect them? Kevin ------------------------------ Date: 01 Feb 95 16:11:10 EST From: GEOFF JOLLYE <100414.3246@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:BSE-L@consensus.com" <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: BSE-L digest 9+ Message-ID: <950201211109_100414.3246_BHG36-1@CompuServe.COM> I signed off off this forum last week. How come I am still getting the messages?????? Can someone do me an "unsubscribe BSE-L " that works???????????????????? ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 1995 15:10:55 U From: "Russell Boggs" <Russell_Boggs@isisph.com> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: the stinkin' starcaptain Message-ID: <n1420470709.93158@isisph.com> Reply to: RE>the stinkin' starcaptain thing Derek, (please allow me to jump in with my _opinion_ ....) Regarding your KTS vs SMS situation: I see your point, but I think you're creating an artificial situation. Who are the KTS and why are they so mad at the SMS? Do the SMS have no allies? Even none that can be >>recruited<< by the proverbial arm and leg? If the SMS are in such a mismatch, then they better start using diplomacy, not pulsars. And I have no problem with the game mechanics driving players towards diplomacy. The scenario you're talking about is a lot like the UK versus Germany in either WWI or WWII. From a gaming point of view, both are interesting scenarios. Like the Germans, the SMS could not allow its fleet to get in a battle where they could lose the whole thing. Play it that way. And before you start to get irritated with my attitude, remember that I was in the WCE/SAM wars. At least the start of them. But I bailed because I felt that I was in an unwinnable scenario trying to run DDs and CLs against the SAM 110 hull ships. I felt like I was the SMS in your SMS vs. KTS scenario. However, the players that I left behind in the WCE managed to beat the SAMs (or at least break even). So maybe things weren't all that hopeless - maybe I shouldn't have quit (...... naw, it was time to go (g).) As I get back in the game, one of the reasons that I rejoined is that the GMs are trying to limit the bloated scale that everything has reached since I left. I _like_ the starcaptain rule. But there might be a couple of tough years until the grandfathering effect leaves and fleets get down to reasonable sizes. As far as I can see, the game was designed for 30-40 hull ships, and then the whole thing kept growing and growing and growing ....... I really think that something needs to be done. By the way, I've got no problem with your Ensign-at-the-tiller of a Dreadnought - it's a good idea. But there still remains the problem of having huge fleets of huge ships wandering around the Periphery. I still think that there's a problem with the status quo. --Russ Boggs ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 95 15:12:26 ES From: Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> To: BSE-L <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: BSE: Rlo's promotion Message-ID: <9502012314.AA02697@internet1.lotus.com> >Hey! I've promoted his ass lots of times and all I ever got for it >was a recipe for some freakin' sour pickle dill sauces whatevers. >yadda >Maddie That explains it. If you only promote his ass, the rest of him stays a Lieutenant. Remember the ancient 2D comical bit about how the top Sergeant kept telling the Private's ass what to do and where to go. Finally, he sums up "When I finally got out, I was still a Private, but my *ass* was a Bird Colonel!" Finnvarra McCabe SMS Info Coordinator ------------------------------------------------------------------- PS: Time is an illusion perpetrated by the manufacturers of space! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 18:42:37 -0500 From: RTGames@aol.com To: bse-l@consensus.com Subject: Thad has arrived Message-ID: <950201184236_10383578@aol.com> Hi all: Well, I have arrived in Denver and I am now working with RTG in person <g>. I wanted to drop a note to the list so that everybody here knows that a) the recent slowdown is over and b) the upgrades will be going forward at full steam now that Pete and I can lock ourselves in a room and throw bombs at each other to hammer out the rest of the specific programming questions and such. All in all, things are going fairly well from our end and we hope to have the final product finally finalized <g> in relative short order. Oh yeah, we also just sent out a ton of training manuals, so you recruiters should keep your eyes open for trainees in Capellan. Best of Luck and Clear Space to all! Thad Catone Rolling Thunder Games, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 19:46:51 -0500 From: Jackmyster@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: To the QSN Message-ID: <950201192719_10417053@aol.com> Greetings Qumans: As you may know, your government soon plans on invading our system with the hope of capturing the prize of the TH, FGZ NeverWhere. Prior to the attack, I want to give the "rank and file" of the QSN a chance to request leniency. Those who will not support the actions of the QSN against the FGZ may e-mail me privately with your positions and I will spare you the wrath of the FGZ. There is no disHonor in avoiding suicide. Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 18:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: To the QSN Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502011828.A15062-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu> On Wed, 1 Feb 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > Greetings Qumans: > > As you may know, your government soon plans on invading our system with the > hope of capturing the prize of the TH, FGZ NeverWhere. > > Prior to the attack, I want to give the "rank and file" of the QSN a chance > to request leniency. Those who will not support the actions of the QSN > against the FGZ may e-mail me privately with your positions and I will spare > you the wrath of the FGZ. > > There is no disHonor in avoiding suicide. > > Lord Den of Earth > The QSN High Command is offering a similar deal. Since all FGZ assets are in the TH, our leniency will really mean something. Rise up against your false Ataman. Do you not remember the Craggen Republic?? You have the power Rada. Do your deed before the sword strikes you down. The Den of Earth may want to you to think that you are protected as he keeps saying that we will go after him. The Den of Earth has not analyzed QSN military history and will suffer for it. Of course, he is most likely to relocate to whatever hovel he feels safe in and leave the dying to you. Minister Anton Qutroh Ministry of Propaganda BTW, your feeble attempts at threats will not work for the simple reason that the QSN membership is not listening to your lies (ie they aren't on email) ------------------------------ Date: 01 Feb 95 23:45:33 EST From: "Stu Krieger, EEM CEO" <71470.344@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:BSE-L@consensus.com" <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: Re: BSE-L digest 11 Message-ID: <950202044532_71470.344_EHB142-2@CompuServe.COM> TO: Sir Arthur Curry artie, eye onli ben a lutenant for, uhmmm, ate years. eye wuz a lcdr once but minister churlong got me demoted for frolicking in his starport fountain with female who did not tell me she wuz wyfe of guvenor. eye knot know, but lost promotion anyway... okay, you knot hav palate of cordon blu chef, that ok. me and myron work on high protein flypaste sandwich spread. it cums in spam and chunky mayo, jambalaya lox vomit, and a reel spiffy horseradish limburger fondue flavor. i like'em and so duz Phuzy, 'nuff said. Dr. Armpit says he is pretty shure dat dis spread ain't bad for ulcers if youse wash it down wid a maalox shake. how manny youse want? Rlo & Co. (a tiny little, unrecognized division of the KGB) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 01:58:04 -0500 From: RFN2@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: BSE-L digest 10 Message-ID: <950202015628_10693282@aol.com> I don't know who this Alan guy is, but I think the FET will try to recruit him. <G> ------------------------------ End of BSE-L Digest 12 ********************** Up