BSE-L Digest 19

From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:11:23 +0000

Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List  <BSE-L@consensus.com>

BSE-L Digest 19

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) "Tunnel"
	by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
  2) Re: THE CPT
	by Law2Be@aol.com
  3) Re: reply: to Minister...whoever
	by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
  4) Re: "Tunnel"
	by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
  5) Re: "Tunnel"
	by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
  6) Re: "Tunnel"
	by Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
  7) Re: THE CPT
	by Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
  8) BV-BH
	by Jackmyster@aol.com
  9) THE CPT
	by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
 10) "Tunnel"
	by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
 11) Re: Money
	by RFN2@aol.com
 12) Re: BSE-L digest 17
	by Wayne Alexander <71470.344@compuserve.com>
 13) Re: "Tunnel"
	by RFN2@aol.com
 14) Re: BSE-L digest 17
	by Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman)

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 07:10:02 CST
From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: "Tunnel"
Message-ID: <9502090713.S39462152@dallas.relay.ucm.org>

Hell, if someone had asked, I woulda told 'em the location for free. (OOC, of
course)  1M stellars!!! Way to go Kerry.  Knowing how common that knowledge
is, this will go down as the Mother of all Scams! Congrads!

S. Mathews

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:29:18 -0500
From: Law2Be@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: THE CPT
Message-ID: <950209082916_16951957@aol.com>

The SMS is happy to see the CPT being given over to the capable hands of
the Krieger Press.  Their work has always been excellent, and the reporting
superb.

And by the way......WELCOME BACK WAYNE!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:27:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: reply: to Minister...whoever
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502090807.A21695-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>

On Wed, 8 Feb 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> OK: For all you aliens/humans in the "drool section":
>
> 1. "I" (that is first person, singular for ME) called Tom Jackson when I
> first got back into the game...and ASKED nicely for him to move his stinkin
> ships out of MY SPACE...
> 2. 12-10 weeks later (Freaken long enough to get the turns in, even for the
> USnail) I send 4 DVs through...they are still there, so I shoot.
> 3. "I" (again, that means ME) called Tom the very day I get the freakin
> battle reports and once again ASK them to be moved. "Oh, well, I'll have to
> find out..." Obviously those ships and their crews didn't mean doo doo to the

you forgot to mention you faxed in the turns to attack again two days
after you called.  obviously enough time for us to teleport them out of
there but not move them.  you did say that you told tom to call him in
two days.  but tom thought he was told move them in two day{.  in any
case, not a real friendly move.

> the Trash..." no race, group or government should have to ASK about anything
> in there space! I know the IMPs would not, the WCE would not, the SAM would

there is a difference between should and would and smart and friendly.
if a government shoots first and asks later, it doesn't make much
friends.  you shot first and then again.  we said no problem qbut we need
time to move the ships.  you attacked the second ship.  you lost a
friend.  having no friends isn't fun.

>
> on this deal...period!...Oh, and save me the line that they were being run by
> an "inactive" player...they moved Richard...they were at 1547 first...oh, and
> Jackson did tell me that Barry got the 1st battle report "From the Player"!

now jack are you trying to tell us about our players?  yes, it was run by
an inactive player. he was never dropped i guess and a battle report was
sent to his home.  congradulations jack.  you made a new friend and he
wants to come and visit you.  he was out of the game and now he is back.
nice how battle reports do that.

>
> I'm not against a good fight Richard, just don't act like your doing it for
> some "Hollier than Thou" reason...K?

woh!!  jack you need to relax.  i am not the one practicing selective
memory. take a look back at the posts in the digests. i am not the one
trying to justify why we are attacking you.  to convince other parties
that we are in the wrong.  i have only respond to your posts.  the first
post i didon this subject  was  in character and gave incharacter reasons
for the posting og the fgz. if you look at this thread, a player gave a
way in character response to your post about the chicken ind captains.
and your last message was some kind of selective justification.  how is
actually acting holier than thou?

btw, jack i only comment on what i was part of. and report when i am able
on the rest, but label it such.  if the qsn wanted to debate the
justifications of our attack and who is right, we would have done so
long ago.  instead i just keep trying to shovel through the brown storm
heading my way

richard

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:52:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: "Tunnel"
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502090826.A29166-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>

On Wed, 8 Feb 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> Oh, and one more thing (just so the Qoomans can't make back any of that
> 1,000,000 stellers they paid for it <smurk,> boy Kerry really bathed
> y'all...I would have sold it for half that!)

i guess that is a lot of money to the fgz

>
> The wormhole to Mace is in Merolla at 233...but NO ONE (without my
> permission<VBEG>) may enter. Doing so is an act of war...(FYI)

hmm.  the fgz playing some games.  first, it's reveal the wormhole and
it's a hostile act.  now he tells everyone.  before you write it down
everyone, ask yourself why would he announce it?  i will neither confirm
or deny the location publically.  but as it seems the fgz havr given
permission then i will do so individually.  if the fgz don't want us to
do so, then he should hurry up and tell me.

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:56:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: "Tunnel"
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502090830.B29166-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>

On Thu, 9 Feb 1995 steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org wrote:

> Hell, if someone had asked, I woulda told 'em the location for free. (OOC, of
> course)  1M stellars!!! Way to go Kerry.  Knowing how common that knowledge
> is, this will go down as the Mother of all Scams! Congrads!
>
> S. Mathews
>

i guess we got taken.  i am only comforted by the other info that was
included.

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:04:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: "Tunnel"
Message-ID: <Pine.APO.3.91.950209090306.15680A-100000@tempest.berkeley.edu>

On Thu, 9 Feb 1995 steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org wrote:

steve,

why don't you tell us the location of the chunnel to mace

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Date: Thu, 09 Feb 95 11:31:40 CST
From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: THE CPT
Message-ID: <9502091735.AA02870@consensus.com>

On Thu, 9 Feb 1995 00:42:52 -0500 <RTGThad@aol.com> said:
>Dateline Hypso 2/8/95
>
>The publishers of the Capellan Periphery Times report today that the Krieger
>Press has been given exclusive right to produce the Capellan Periphery for
>distribution in the Greater Periphery. The publishers indicated that all
>submissions and advertisements can be forwarded to either the CPT main
>offices <ie RTG> or directly to the Krieger Press <ie Wayne Alexander>. The
>CPT remains in overall editorial control of the rag .. errr .. newspaper, but
>the Krieger Press has been given wide latitude in story composition. The CPT
>officers indicated that this move is intended to expedite publication and all
>are optimistic that the CPT will be meet its scheduled deadlines regularly as
>a result of this move.

"Damn!  There goes my monopoly!"

- Alan Hatcher : Upon hearing of the revival of the CPT.

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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 18:15:58 -0500
From: Jackmyster@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: BV-BH
Message-ID: <950209181319_17341122@aol.com>

Within the throne room of the Ataman's Hall on NeverWhere a diabolical plan
was forming in the dark heart of Den of Earth.

"Guard...bring them to me!" Barked Den of Earth.

Without stopping to think about the order,  the guard withdrew from his
Master's presence only to return as quickly as he left with two lifeforms at
his side...

"I require your service..." Den of Earth said as he removed a "earth type"
cigar from his cloak.

"Heh...heh....Did he say Choir?.. heh, heh...Like those little kids who wear
dresses...heh, heh...and sing like their nuts are in a crack...heh, heh..."
"Shut up butt munch...he said "require"...like....ummm....choir again..."

"Silence! I hereby authorize you two Baseships...to hunt down the Qoomans
with..." Lighting the cigar and inhaling deeply...the dark smoke filled the
area around the throne.

"Ummmm......... Ships...like.....ummmmm...."
"heh...heh...."
"Ummm...ships are cool....like.....I saw a...."

"Shut UP! I have chosen you for this task because of your...special
talents..."

"heh...heh"
"......"

"You will take these ships and begin raiding the Qoomans fleet..."

"Ummmm....raping their feet?.....ummmmm....isn't that
like....ummmmm....um...toe jam?..."
"heh...heh...isn't that......that new band? heh....heh...I saw them
once....at Dark's.....heh...heh..."
"Ya....ummmmm...they like.....sucked!"

"You have your orders....be gone from my presence...."

With this, the guard grasped them both by the back of the neck...
"EEEEEEEEEE...."
"Ummmmm....like....ouch."
and took the two to the great doors that opened into the throne room.

Both of the them spun around....
"DA DA DON NA...."

Tune in next when Beazis and Butt-Heads learn about gravity....

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 00:07:10 CST
From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: THE CPT
Message-ID: <9502100016.S41265944@dallas.relay.ucm.org>

Alan,
Sorry, no anti-trust lawsuits allowed in IMP courts... just bog down the
system.    ;)

S. Mathews

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 00:05:19 CST
From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: "Tunnel"
Message-ID: <9502100016.S41262277@dallas.relay.ucm.org>

> Steve,
>
> why don't you tel us the location to the chunnel to mace

To anonymous,
(remember, on my Internet relay, unless you sign it, I don't know who's
sending it), Jack already made it public here.

S. Mathews

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 01:29:19 -0500
From: RFN2@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Money
Message-ID: <950210012102_17648986@aol.com>

I agree with Richard on this, 100%.  Many FET players join the game and Call
to tell me their in, and that's the last I ever hear from them unless I call
first....many of them are suprisingly successfull.  But it takes them too
long.

Rob Neal

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Date: 10 Feb 95 03:01:32 EST
From: Wayne Alexander <71470.344@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:BSE-L@consensus.com" <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Re: BSE-L digest 17
Message-ID: <950210080132_71470.344_EHB76-2@CompuServe.COM>

TO:  Star Admiral von Ludendorf, ISP PD
FM:  Lord Stu Krieger, EEM CEO
Re:  New Systems & ROC Visa

Dear Sir:

It was reported by U.P.I. that: "Simultaneous, an ROC ship entered the
periphery from the Yank system and arrived in Dragonne.  When asked if
the ISP would hunt down the ROC ship for tresspassing in IMP territory,
the ISP informed us that the ISP PD had already concluded negotiations
with the ROC, and the ROC had a full visa to travel in IMP territory;
IMP ships likewise have a visa for ROC territory."

Am I led to believe that the Imperials have once again used their
"governmental" powers to enrich their own pockets while the chartered
companies go begging?  The ImpSvcs have authorized ROC ships to come
and trade in the Periphery while company ships are forbidden to transit
to ROC territory and trade?

I hope that what was really meant was that "our" government obtained
visa rights for its citizens, not just Imperial positions.  If this
IMP-ROC agreement is another one-sided deal like the IMP-TCA travesty
then I have to wonder.  The Imperium represents us as humans, not just
itself.

If I am wrong, and I hope I am, then you have my humble apologies.

Lord Stu Krieger
Chief Executive Officer
Empire Engineering & Manufacturing
EEM (HQ) Hypso

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 03:29:49 -0500
From: RFN2@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: "Tunnel"
Message-ID: <950210020734_17677664@aol.com>

If Jack made it public, I didn't get it; Steve.  I'd appreciate a repeat.
 (This is not the first time I have not gotten a message from the list - I'm
on AOL)

Thanks
Rob
RFN2@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 02:18:21 -0800
From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: BSE-L digest 17
Message-ID: <9502101018.AA02090@shadows.Eng.Sun.COM>

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>>Greetings to all,
>>     I am Lt. K'ahl vestai Rall, adopted son of clan Kahl, and new IND
>>ship-captain. I must apologize for my truly horrible spelling in my last
>>missive, but I was in a hurry and neglected to utilize my spell-checker. I
>>am but one of the vast number of IND captains who have chosen to fight on
>>the side of honor. Please forgive my excessive verbiage, but this is the
>>way I communicate.
>>
>>				For Honor and Glory,
>>
>>				Lt. K'ahl vestai Rall
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Lt. Rall,

Pardon .. "the side of honor" you said?  Pray tell us gentlebeing, which
side is that.

Sincerely,
					Nicholas Van Rijn
					QSN

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