BSE-L Digest 23 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:45:27 +0000 Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List <BSE-L@consensus.com> BSE-L Digest 23 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Small Printout change by Law2Be@aol.com 2) BSE-L digest 20 by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 3) Small Printout change by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 4) What am I??? by regstu@sun.cc.westga.edu (Richard Gurley) 5) Re: why tell? by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> 6) Re: Colonists by Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 7) Re: What am I??? by PROTHORAX@aol.com 8) Re: To Nicholas van Rijn by PROTHORAX@aol.com 9) Re: Money? by PROTHORAX@aol.com 10) Re: Money by PROTHORAX@aol.com 11) Re: Mystery Outposts by PROTHORAX@aol.com 12) Re: Money by StephMarte@aol.com 13) Re: Mystery Outposts by v176@rex.uokhsc.edu (Todd D. Clapp) 14) Starship Revisited by Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> 15) Messed up reports by Law2Be@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:34:44 -0500 From: Law2Be@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Small Printout change Message-ID: <950213083444_20501764@aol.com> I could go for a RTS que, let me tell ya! It shouldn't be too hard to code guys...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:27:33 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: BSE-L digest 20 Message-ID: <9502130728.S48671145@dallas.relay.ucm.org> To: Lord Kreiger Fm: APD Hoffa Da Boss is still busy, but he's asked me ta relay sometun ta ya. When the IMP guvment acts as representative fer da comp'nies, youse all screams "IMP Interfence!". And when the IMP steps back and allows da compnies ta represent demselves... as they claim they wanted... the compnies scream sometin like what youse is claiming. Make up youse mind, what does ya want IMP control of da compnies or da freedom to run your affairs as ya see fit? Oh, and BTW, while ya lived in the Draconian sector for a year, The ISS PD once lived there for even longer, so we does know that it is a desert. J. Hoffa APD ITS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:33:44 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Small Printout change Message-ID: <9502130744.S48681346@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Thad/Pete I agree with Rob on this. A ship-&-forget RTS que would definately be a plus. S. Mathews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 11:17:54 -0500 (EST) From: regstu@sun.cc.westga.edu (Richard Gurley) To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: What am I??? Message-ID: <9502131617.AA15979@sun.cc.westga.edu> Greetings, Lord PROTHORAX, As I stated earlier, I am the adopted son of the MYR clan Kah. My adoptive father found me, the sole survivor of a small asteroid mining colony that had been destroyed by pirates using Photon weaponry. as of this time my race is unknown, but I do have the following facts from my fathers log books: 1) All others on the colony died fighting, or if too young to fight, died with an adult who detonated an explosive device in very close proximity to themselves when the raiders broke through the defenses. I was found oned the remains of a wall where a chair kept the wreckage off of me. 2) Debris found in the system was consistent with that of 1 corvette and 2-3 heavy cruisers. My people died fighting. 3) Damage done to the colony structures is consistent to the use of Photon Weaponry, and at that the the only known race to have such was the FGZ. 4) my physical attributes are as follows: A) Humanoid, approx. 1/3 meter taller than human standard. B) Mass %50 greater than human standard. C) reactions %33 faster than Human norm. D) Skin, dark. E) Hair, black. F) Ridged skull. 5) Although I have been taught the way of honor that my adoptive father follows, He has encouraged me to study what is known of my people, and to seek others of my kind, after finding those who cause the destruction of the colony known to me as "IKC IRONHEART". Admittedly, it is doubtful that the miscreants who destroyed my real parents still survive, but it is possible to find the one/ones who authorized the attack. These I shall seek, and if the deity of revenge hears my prayer, These I shall destroy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:59:58 -0800 (PST) From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: why tell? Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502130858.B16041-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu> On Sun, 12 Feb 1995, Stephen Brown wrote: > > -<zzzzZZZZZZzzzzt...TRANSLATION DRELL...WORKING...ACTIVE> > > Quman subspecies, > Pennockan Fleet under command of Terminus Prime now armed. Given that > there seem to be two co-ordinates for Flagritz wormhole, Terminus Fleet > shall enter the real one. Due to enormous forces brought to bear against > Flagritz subspecies...Federation Man-O-War reject co-venture with Quman > subspecies...Pennockan War Fleets shall hunt Flagritz Xenophobe species > under own specifications...Ships will not be set to fire upon Quman > craft or allied sub-lifeforms...Warriors of Pennock seek battle, not > slaughter.... END TRANSMISSION... > Terminus Prime > Terminus Prime, transmission received. qsn high command were disappointed in pennockan response. but we understand your position. please proceed to your designated targets and good hunting minister anton qutroh ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 95 12:29:35 EDT From: Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> To: BSE-L <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: Re: Colonists Message-ID: <9502131725.AA18080@internet1.lotus.com> >---<zzzzzzZZZZZzzzt...ANALYZE COMMON SPEECH OF HUMAN SUBSPECIES...> > >Creatures, > >Pennockan Federation seeking trade with human subspecies located at >colony Rustbucket... Colony Ruler Manes in need of colonists and items >to ensure upward growth of Hell... Respond if current ruler of >Rustbucket dominion... Hell located on Korvus at 3-3 6J... Willing to >trade Pennockan goods for such items at good compensation... > >END TRANSMISSION. Greetings Colony Ruler Manes, SMS Rustbucket is always interested in profitable trade. We look forward to the opportunity to do business with you. Suggest we move further discussion from this public forum however. --Governor Jonathan "Gronk" Verdell --SMS Colony Rustbucket ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:46:01 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: What am I??? Message-ID: <950213151734_20764525@aol.com> Yes, revenges fuels and warms the heart! We also walk the same path as you. We to have only a few survivers from our planet that was set afire long ago by a race of giant creatures. We are spider wasps and have a hive mentality and our strengths lie in our hives(colonys). Neutral by nature but very agressive in our area of gathering. We serve the SAM home queen and her wishes. Our leader is a Drone named JANUS PROTHORAX and he controls all WaSP government and airspace. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:17:09 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: To Nicholas van Rijn Message-ID: <950213151729_20764479@aol.com> Greetings human starcaptain, We WaSP are having our human counter parts give reason/understanding to this. They call us dry and have lack imagination? Does this mean we have to be wet to understand this? Our devices short out on our heads and give us much disconfert when we are wet. But, they have told us we will understand this after they work on it. JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:20:49 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Money? Message-ID: <950213151205_20764163@aol.com> Greatings IMP human APD Hoffa, (hoffa?!<g>) The VISA that is currently in place allows the WaSP to orbit and land in MANY Imperial colonys to transact the market. The problem is this VISA doesn't allow access to company markets?! Many Imperial colonys are on the same world as company colonys and I have the right to orbit the world to sell and buy goods at Imperial colonys. The problem arises is when a company will not allow the WaSP to orbit a jointly controled orbit by the Imperials and companys. A purfect example of this is GTT Bone and the IMP Secubus on the same world and the GTT have WaSP on there ememy list?! Another problem is when a company wishes to control there market and puts all WaSP on there enemy list but, fails to inform the WaSP to this?! We lose a ships drones and all trade goods sloted for that market. JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:20:52 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Money Message-ID: <950213151209_20764229@aol.com> Greetings FET human, We have a human that is currently buying goods for the WaSP and we will forward our list though this human. If you wish to forward a market that is in the transhole region the WaSP would be more then intrested. But, our main buying is though this human trader of goods. JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:21:07 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Mystery Outposts Message-ID: <950213151224_20764408@aol.com> (ooc) what is your colony sunrise #? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 20:12:07 -0500 From: StephMarte@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Money Message-ID: <950213185254_20920961@aol.com> Just to throw my two cents into any discussion on economics... Why not do away with stellars, stocks, & any 'whiteholes' in the game, and each affiliation issue their own currency - and control their own money supply? Put it on the PD's turnsheet. Isn't that the beginning of a true economic system? For what it's worth, A. Curry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:30:01 -0600 (CST) From: v176@rex.uokhsc.edu (Todd D. Clapp) To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Mystery Outposts Message-ID: <9502140430.AA25486@rex.re.uokhsc.edu> ICN Sunrise (1315) formerly ICN Slapheap Located in the Tesnis system, Planet Ekill, SpSq 2258 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:33:56 -0600 (CST) From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> To: BSE Mailing List <bse-l@consensus.com> Subject: Starship Revisited Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502132229.A9628-0100000@pentagon.io.com> Proposed Changes to Starships First off the following items need to be changed: 73 - Command Hulls 480 MU's, requires 480 Metals/Non-Metals, 96 Fossil Fuels, 24 Processed Thorlium to build. Holds 60 MU's. 74 - Main Hulls 360 MU's, requires 360 Metals/Non-Metals, 72 Fossil Fuels, 18 Processed Thorlium to build. Holds 60 MU's. 75 Engine Hulls 420 MU's, requires 420 Metals/Non-Metals, 84 Fissionables, 21 Processed Thorlium to build. Hold 60 MU's 56 Jump Engines 60 MU's, requires 60 Metals/Non-Metals, 6 Pulac Crystals to build. 80 Thrust Engines 30 MU's, requires 30 Metals/Non-Metals, 3 Fissionables to build. these changes will serve to make ships more valueable and survivable in both ship to ship and ship to colony battles while keeping movement characteristics the same. Hull shift abilities need to be changed as follows: 24 MU's to 72 MU's, 25 MU's to 75 MU's, 30 MU's to 90 MU's, 40 MU's to 120 MU's, and 100 MU's to 300 MU's. Specs on ships under the proposed changes: Non-Hull Shift Races CLASS TH CH/MH/EH BS SY MASS CAPACITY Yacht (YT/1) 12 3/4/5 0.8 1 1440/1440/2100 180/240/300 War Galley (WG/2) 18 6/6/6 1.0 1 2880/2160/2520 360/360/360 Light Freighter (LF/3) 20 4/10/6 1.2 1 1920/3600/2520 240/600/360 Corvette (CO/4) 24 7/10/7 1.2 2 3360/3600/2940 420/600/420 Surveyor (SU/5) 24 6/12/6 1.4 2 2880/4320/2520 360/720/360 Fast Freighter (FF/6) 26 4/15/7 1.3 2 1920/5400/2940 240/900/420 Destroyer (DD/7) 29 7/15/7 1.5 3 3360/5400/2940 420/900/420 Medium Freighter (MF/8) 32 4/21/7 1.6 3 1920/7560/2940 240/1260/420 Survey Cruiser (SC/9) 33 8/16/9 1.3 4 3840/5760/3780 480/960/540 Heavy Freighter (HF/10) 37 4/26/7 1.9 4 1920/9360/2940 240/1560/420 Light Cruiser (CL/11) 38 9/20/9 1.5 4 4320/7200/3780 540/1200/540 Heavy Cruiser (HC/12) 42 10/22/10 1.5 5 4800/7920/4200 600/1320/600 Space Liner (SL/13) * 61 9/40/12 1.8 6 4320/14400/5040 540/2400/720 Battle Cruiser (BC/14) 50 11/29/10 1.7 6 5280/10440/4200 660/1740/600 Supra Freighter (SF/15) * 59 4/45/10 2.1 6 1920/16200/4200 240/2700/600 Mega Hauler (MH/16) * 115 5/90/20 2.0 7 2400/32400/8400 300/5400/1200 Pocket Battleship (PB/17) 115 23/70/22 1.8 7 11040/25200/9240 1380/4200/1320 Supra Hauler (SH/18) * 150 5/125/20 2.6 8 2400/45000/8400 300/7500/1200 Battleship (BB/19) 130 28/80/22 2.1 8 13440/28800/9240 1680/4800/1320 Dreadnought (DN/20) 150 30/95/25 2.1 8 14400/34200/10500 1800/5700/1500 Escort (ES/21) 80 18/49/13 2.2 ? 8640/17640/5460 1080/2940/780 Warship (WS/22) 32 8/16/8 1.4 ? 3840/5760/3360 480/960/480 Freighter (FG/23) * 148 20/120/8 6.5 ? 9600/43200/3360 1200/7200/480 Gallese (GL/24) 44 10/24/10 1.5 2 4800/8640/4200 600/1440/600 Galleon (GN/25) 62 10/40/12 1.8 4 4800/14400/5040 600/2400/720 Merchantman (MM/26) * 147 12/100/35 1.5 5 5760/36000/14700 720/6000/2100 Man-O-War (MoW/27) 140 25/85/30 1.6 5 12000/30600/12600 1500/5100/1800 Defender (DF/28) 112 20/70/22 1.8 ? 9600/25200/9240 1200/4200/1320 Searcher (SR/29) 37 7/22/8 1.6 ? 3360/7920/3360 420/1320/480 Transport (TR/30) * 123 8/95/20 2.2 ? 3840/34200/8400 480/5700/1200 Cargo Carrier (CC/31) * 910 100/600/210 1.5 6 48000/216000/88200 6000/36000/12600 War Cruiser (WC/32) 140 30/75/35 1.4 4 14400/27000/14700 1800/4500/2100 Scout Explorer (SE/33) 50 15/20/15 1.1 2 7200/7200/6300 900/1200/900 Pseudo-Fighter (PF/34) 10 2/5/3 1.1 1 960/1800/1260 120/300/180 Flagritz Scout (FS/35) 42 12/20/10 1.4 5 5760/7200/4200 720/1200/600 Flagritz Baseship (FB/36) 320 70/200/50 2.2 7 33600/72000/21000 4200/12000/3000 Pinnace (PC/37) 21 3/9/9 0.8 ? 1440/3240/3780 180/540/540 Xebec (XE/38) 30 6/15/9 1.2 ? 2880/5400/3780 360/900/540 Felucca (FC/39) 48 6/30/12 1.4 ? 2880/10800/5040 360/1800/720 Ship Of The Line (SoL/40) 135 30/75/30 1.6 ? 14400/27000/12600 1800/4500/1800 Corsair (CR/41) 95 20/50/25 1.3 5 9600/18000/10500 1200/3000/1500 Cutter (CT/42) 47 8/23/16 1.0 ? 3840/8280/6720 480/1380/960 Frigate (FR/43) 110 25/60/25 1.5 ? 12000/21600/10500 1500/3600/1500 Myrship (MS/44) 30 10/10/10 1.1 ? 4800/3600/4200 600/600/600 Inquisitor (IQ/46) 105 31/45/29 1.3 ? 14880/16200/12180 1860/2700/1740 Devestator (DV/47) 150 31/90/29 1.8 ? 14880/32400/12180 1860/5400/1740 Cargo Master (CM/51) * 294 12/210/72 1.4 ? 5760/75600/30240 720/12600/4320 Former 24 MU Races (QSN), now 72 MU CLASS TH CH/MH/EH BS SY MASS CAPACITY Merchantman (MM/26) * 147 12/100/35 1.2 5 5760/36000/14700 864/7200/2520 Pinnace (PC/37) 21 3/9/9 0.7 ? 1440/3240/3780 216/648/648 Xebec (XE/38) 30 6/15/9 1.0 ? 2880/5400/3780 432/1080/648 Felucca (FC/39) 48 6/30/12 1.2 ? 2880/10800/5040 432/2160/864 Ship Of The Line (SoL/40) 135 30/75/30 1.3 ? 14400/27000/12600 2160/5400/2160 Cargo Master (CM/51) * 294 12/210/72 1.2 ? 5760/75600/30240 864/15120/5184 Former 25 MU Races (ITS, ZCS), now 75 MU CLASS TH CH/MH/EH BS SY MASS CAPACITY War Galley (WG/2) 18 6/6/6 0.8 1 2880/2160/2520 450/450/450 Supra Hauler (SH/18) * 150 5/125/20 2.1 8 2400/45000/8400 375/9375/1500 Dreadnought (DN/20) 150 30/95/25 1.7 8 14400/34200/10500 2250/7125/1875 Galleon (GN/25) 62 10/40/12 1.4 4 4800/14400/5040 750/3000/900 Merchantman (MM/26) * 147 12/100/35 1.5 5 5760/36000/14700 900/7500/2625 Man-O-War (MoW/27) 140 25/85/30 1.2 5 12000/30600/12600 1875/6375/2250 Cutter (CT/42) 47 8/23/16 0.8 ? 3840/8280/6720 600/1725/1200 Frigate (FR/43) 110 25/60/25 1.2 ? 12000/21600/10500 1875/4500/1875 Former 30 MU Races (FOE, EKN), now 90 MU CLASS TH CH/MH/EH BS SY MASS CAPACITY Defender (DF/28) 112 20/70/22 1.2 ? 9600/25200/9240 1800/6300/1980 Searcher (SR/29) 37 7/22/8 1.1 ? 3360/7920/3360 630/1980/720 Transport (TR/30) * 123 8/95/20 1.4 ? 3840/34200/8400 720/8550/1800 Inquisitor (IQ/46) 105 31/45/29 0.8 ? 14880/16200/12180 2790/4050/2610 Devestator (DV/47) 150 31/90/29 1.2 ? 14880/32400/12180 2790/8100/2610 Former 40 MU Races (PFM), now 120 MU CLASS TH CH/MH/EH BS SY MASS CAPACITY Gallese (GL/24) 44 10/24/10 0.8 2 4800/8640/4200 1200/2880/1200 Merchantman (MM/26) * 147 12/100/35 0.7 5 5760/36000/14700 1440/12000/4200 Man-O-War (MoW/27) 140 25/85/30 0.8 5 12000/30600/12600 3000/10200/3600 Former 100 MU Races (HDN, MYR), now 300 MU CLASS TH CH/MH/EH BS SY MASS CAPACITY Warship (WS/22) 32 8/16/8 0.7 ? 3840/5760/3360 2400/4800/2400 Freighter (FG/23) * 148 20/120/8 1.3 ? 9600/43200/3360 6000/360000/2400 Xebec (XE/38) 30 6/15/9 0.7 ? 2880/5400/3780 1800/4500/2700 Myrship (MS/44) 30 10/10/10 0.7 ? 4800/3600/4200 3000/3000/3000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 02:33:32 -0500 From: Law2Be@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Messed up reports Message-ID: <950214001719_21128264@aol.com> The markets I posted would look OK on AOL, but crappy on everything else. Likewise if it were formatted for everything else, it would look crappy on AOL. If you could not decipher the report, let me know and I will post a second copy from a normal text editor that will be for non-AOL users. Of course, if you have something specific in mind, just call me up direct via e-mail, or at (206)338-7765. This is near Seattle, WA, and I do stay up until 10:00pm or better PST. Sorry for the look of the reports, we need to gripe at AOL or come up with a new convention for writing tabular data that will please both groups. Ideas welcome here folks! Hope to be trading with ya'll soon, Rick ------------------------------ End of BSE-L Digest 23 ********************** Up