BSE-L Digest 21 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 17:25:25 +0000 Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List <BSE-L@consensus.com> BSE-L Digest 21 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Money? by Law2Be@aol.com 2) to Nicholas Van Rijn by Jackmyster@aol.com 3) Re: "Tunnel" by PROTHORAX@aol.com 4) why tell? by Jackmyster@aol.com 5) Re: Mystery Outposts by v176@rex.uokhsc.edu (Todd D. Clapp) 6) Re: Money? by PROTHORAX@aol.com 7) Re: why tell? by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> 8) Re: why tell? by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> 9) Re: Mystery Outposts by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> 10) Incoming Transmission by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 11) BSE-L digest 17 by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 12) Money? by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 13) Re: Money by RFN2@aol.com 14) Re: Money? by RTGThad@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 08:34:41 -0500 From: Law2Be@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Money? Message-ID: <950211083441_18855801@aol.com> I know of a few people with 7-8 digit stellar accounts, myself included. The problem I am encountering is that no-one wants to SELL me anything of consequence. They always want trade, rather than buy here, sell there. If someone had something I wanted, I would be willing to pay cash if they liked (within reason). The AFT of course is a most welcome exception. I have two major markets (SMS Canton(4990)@Utopia, SMS Chattanooga(3004)@Coast Zone) that sell most common items at 2 to 2 1/2 stellars per mu, and buy uncommon items at up to 20,000 stellars each (DOI). While I get a bit of action, (mostly the AFT) the economy as envisioned would have to be a LOT more active, or develop more NEED to spend "real" stellars. The lack of stellar movement is not because everyone is broke, but because there is no incentive to use an overinflated, near worthless currency. I am sure not making any money at my colonies, but I am trying to stimulate trade via outstanding prices. Even thus, very few takers for cash, except those seeking to become quite rich stellar wise (again the AFT). All I can do is hope this is like France of the 1970's, which hoarded gold when gold was seen to be of little value, betting (correctly) that it would be quite valuable later. Perhaps stellars will be BSE's goldmine. Sorry if this is a bit disjointed, it's late when I compose this (never mind the time stamp, auto sent in the morning), but you get the general idea. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 08:54:23 -0500 From: Jackmyster@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: to Nicholas Van Rijn Message-ID: <950211085421_18867187@aol.com> Greetings: If I made edit just a little <G>. The two QSN SoLs were not sent there to "explore"...they were sent there after the battles at Porkamo...(which is another story all together!) per Tom Jackson, they were sent there to attack the FGZ...why 100 m/l and no missles, I do not know...maybe the first officer was drunk while they were arming...too much indegion(sp?). At any rate...they could "move"...both fled on the first rounds of battle. The first ship was DER after the first battle. The second was still capable of moving...all the QSN "had" to do was send in a turn to Trans Stargate...and the starcaptain would be back in Drell. No problem...as far as not being "friendly"...geez, that's the pot calling the kettle black...I guess if I sent a Baseships into Drell...and Jackson called me to tell me to move it...and after several weeks it was attacked...I could say the QSN were not being "friendly"?...that is truly lame... Also, I've never claimed it to be a "military victory"...quite the contrary. I told the FGZ in my report that there was no Honor in this battle...except that we will have our wishes carried out in *our* space. I did send in a "humorious" note after the 3rd battle...but I've yet to proclaim any type of "victory"...After my conversation with Jackson...it was apperant that the ships were not going to get moved..so I acted... I'm just trying to punch a hole in this "Ohhh...the FGZ are so mean...look what they did to poor little us..." If anyone has been "wronged" here it is the FGZ...problem is that no one is listening to the FGZ...(except for a few players who have decided not to attack with the QSN! There is still some sanit y left in the game...) Bests- J. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 09:39:04 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: "Tunnel" Message-ID: <950211093901_18894421@aol.com> (ooc) some one really payed the million stellars?! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 10:14:49 -0500 From: Jackmyster@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: why tell? Message-ID: <950211101344_18910947@aol.com> Sorry Richard, I thought I had explained why I revealed the location...let's try again..."so that the qsn cannnot make any of their 1, 000, 000 stellers back" On a lighter note: I do think it is funny that you made this "Helping the FGZ is an act of WAR..." until you found out about the FOE's DVs in my orbit....what...not quite the b*lls to take on the FOE? Just like the WCE huh Richard...you guys crack me up....oh, here's another good one...."your" Cargo Carrier.....heh, heh....why don't you tell the SAM that one??? You guys are too much.... I will say this much...normally I do not resort to openly "flaming"...but now, I'm p*ssed. You guys have the integrity of a goat...but what's worse is everyone is believing you....Here's a thought.... PROVIDE PROOF....not what you think...not what you've been told...I defy you to look into this deal and find out what the FGZ have done...I defy anyone to look into this and "prove" the FGZ have done anything underhanded...I defy the Unitredd Council to come clean on *all* of this...I'm the one that called Jackson and said "Hey, let's get an arbitrator to work this out..." he's responce? "Well, you'll have to talk to Barry..." Barry never even called me back...Face it...this isn't about "right and wrong"...this is so the QSN can become "tough"...but the only way to incite "others" to join you is to make it an issue of "right and wrong"...Hey, you know what...I "may" loose, but it still won't change what the QSN have done...they are still "wrong"! Want to explain the attack on the Baseship in Porkamo? Explain what the SoLs were doing in Merolla..explain how you got the wormhole's location...explain what you've told the INDies to get into this...explain that you've contacted everyone of my players trying to get them to turn on me....explain that Jackson broke his word to me...explain why Barry won't shut this off...explain that you guys want to capture Baseship and Photon tech...explain why you said I was "giving" the IMPs Baseships and that you could PROVE IT...not just words Richard...Challange me to do like...Face it...you guys want this war...don't "hide behind right and wrong..." The QSN can't...because there is no justification for your actions! I know it...the QSN leadership know it...the only ones who don't are the players that you are lying to...(yes, I said LIE) I know the differance between a "lie" and the "truth"... Again....I am sorry for acting like a jerk...But I've turned the cheek too many times..and I will not turn anymore.... To: The QSN Leadership From: Lord Den of Earth Sirs...this is to inform you that the "Open Hand" which the FGZ extended you several years ago has now been "Closed".. "Cry Havoc! Let loose the Dogs of War!" Lord Den of Earth a/k/a Jack Ferguson P.S. Again, I am sorry for those of you (other than any p*ssed off QSN players) that I have upset...I will try to control myself in the future....I'm a great guy until I get p*ssed....<G> This "diatribe" took on a "life of it's own"...(to quote an ex-alley of the FGZ...and (ex?) QSN leader...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 09:28:57 -0600 (CST) From: v176@rex.uokhsc.edu (Todd D. Clapp) To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Mystery Outposts Message-ID: <9502111528.AA06840@rex.re.uokhsc.edu> >From the desk of Todd Clapp, Minister ICN Sunrise Does anyone claim outposts 469, 535, 362, & 417 located on Ekill in the Tesni system. In the year I have managed ICN Sunrise I have yet to see anyone visit these outposts. There are also no other colonies located on the planet that I have been able to find. Eventually I will send an IMP inspection team to determine who these belong to, but I thought that someone might be able to save me some time. Secondly ICN Sunrise (located in the Tesni System, Planet Ekill, SpSq 2258) is buying and selling things for stellars. We have a strong manufacturing base and have access to awide variety of mineral depostits. Currently our most popular items for sale are Korondite, Thorlium, ECM pods We are interested in buying pulsar beams, space fighters, farms, mines, factories, BCMs, consumer goods, and strion. All peaceful traders are welcome to our markets. We do have a highport for your convience. Lastly the ICN is currently actively recruiting new commanders. Anyone who is interested should contact me directly and I can put him/her in touch with the ICN PD. I can also forward resumes to the other IMP services should an applicant so desire. Concerning this FGZ/Quman dispute, the Admiralty currently wishes the IMP to remain neutral. As long as the fighting stays out of IMP space we are not inclined to interfere. My personal opinion is that there is probably blame on both sides, but I tend to believe that the FGZ have more honor on their side for this particular dispute. Good luck to all gentle beings. Long Live the Emperor! Todd Clapp Minister, ICN Sunrise ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 10:42:57 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Money? Message-ID: <950211104257_18929648@aol.com> Human colony governor, As a bug race we would gladly buy common human producted goods, but for the lack of any stellars we do not have the stellar means to access human markets. Also, the red tape of attempting to conduct business in the periphery is short of being impossible. The VISA we have only allows us to visit Imperial colonys and the companys have total control of there markets and starports and to restrict access of these to us. This was in responce to TCA groups dumping goods for stellars at company colonys in the periphery and the companys wishing to control access of there markets. We value our VISA, but find dealing with human market system nonstructured and to free flowing. JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: why tell? Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502111116.A5551-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu> i guess this is directed at me ooc, i should respond in kind. i do have to say that we aren't taking any of this personally. i did a little when jack accused me of backstabbing him when the pfm declared war on him. the pfm denied it and i denied it. after not hearing anything but more complaints, i decided that i was sick of getting in the middle. since then i have only relayed messages from the qsn unitredd council and tried to respond to some of accusations against us. the fact boils down to jack chose to believe we were conspiring against him and therefore took a hardline stance with us. if we were better allies with the fgz, then it might have all been okay. instead we got threats and had some ships attacked (for whatever the reason) so we have decided to respond. that's it. contrary to what jack thinks, we have done very little explaining why we will attack fgz positions aside from the reason above. there is no holier than thou attitude aside from what comes from his side. jack listened to the wriong people and made some bad choices and now he will suffer a bit. there are other reasons for the attack but i don't want to waste the bandwidth. for those who are interested please email me. On Sat, 11 Feb 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > On a lighter note: I do think it is funny that you made this "Helping the FGZ > is an act of WAR..." until you found out about the FOE's DVs in my > orbit....what...not quite the b*lls to take on the FOE? Just like the WCE > huh Richard...you guys crack me up....oh, here's another good one...."your" > Cargo Carrier.....heh, heh....why don't you tell the SAM that one??? You > guys are too much.... huh? a little selective memory there jack? i never said it was an act of war, but a hostile act. i even posted a followup message 5 minutes later explaining that it sounded a bit more harse than it should. my intelligence is better than that jack. i have known about the foe ships for a while before any postings on this subject started. as for the cargo carriers, it really isn't any of your business. let me say i have contacted and acted appropiately to all parties concerned. > PROVIDE PROOF....not what you think...not what you've been told...I defy you > to look into this deal and find out what the FGZ have done...I defy anyone to > look into this and "prove" the FGZ have done anything underhanded...I defy are you taking a holier than thou attitude now? please comment on the situation with jack's folly? also, this is only a rumor that some qumans were inclined to believe. you were laughing to some people on how you screwed the qumans over jack's folly. if you want to convince us, then talk to us. if you want to convince everyone else then admit to the holier than thou attitude. > the Unitredd Council to come clean on *all* of this...I'm the one that called > Jackson and said "Hey, let's get an arbitrator to work this out..." he's > responce? "Well, you'll have to talk to Barry..." Barry never even called me > back...Face it...this isn't about "right and wrong"...this is so the QSN can to give you a little hint: that was a polite no. tom is a nice guy and doesn't say no often. as for our reasons, it is purely tactical. you wanted 8 weeks or so (i forget) for an arbitrateur to decide. by that time, it would be much tougher for us to exact proper revenge if needed. plus the time could only help you as well as the new ranking system could come in. > become "tough"...but the only way to incite "others" to join you is to make > it an issue of "right and wrong"...Hey, you know what...I "may" loose, but it where? i don't think we have made it a matter of right and wrong. only you have. i am inclined to believe that we are right but i am biased. but it is an example of bad communication and distrust leaing people down the path of destruction. > doing in Merolla..explain how you got the wormhole's location...explain what > you've told the INDies to get into this...explain that you've contacted > everyone of my players trying to get them to turn on me....explain that the only appeal we made to ind players was the post to this digest. all response came from there. i may have offered this to some players that i have personal contact with, but never in the context of attack the fgz because they are evil. more like what was on the post to the digest. i will not speculate why we had such a large response (eg wanted to get battle ex., wanted to be on the winning side, hate the fgz, or really like us). you should ask them. as for contacting "all" your players, no contact has been initiated by any quman to the fgz since this thing broke out. all contact was initiated by fgz players. you will be glad to know you have at least one loyal player. no real attempt was made to "turn" them. it was more like they wanted to know what they needed to do to get out of our steamroller and we told them. > tech...explain why you said I was "giving" the IMPs Baseships and that you > could PROVE IT...not just words Richard...Challange me to do like...Face didn't you admit to giving the imp a baseship that you never made public before? > it...you guys want this war...don't "hide behind right and wrong..." The QSN > can't...because there is no justification for your actions! if you say so jack, i guess we should call the warfleet back, because the pd of the aff. who just attacked our ships told us it was justified. some hints for the future: don't attack another aff. ships if you want relations to improve don't make threats and act surprised if they take them seriously don't waste bandwidth trying to justify things to the public. justify them to the concerned parties. make friends by playing nice good luck jack. we really haven't tried to make this a right or wrong issue, not because we feel we are not justified, but because it isn't worth much in capital ships. richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:52:06 -0800 (PST) From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: why tell? Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502111218.B5551-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu> On Sat, 11 Feb 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > To: The QSN Leadership > From: Lord Den of Earth > > Sirs...this is to inform you that the "Open Hand" which the FGZ extended you > several years ago has now been "Closed".. > > "Cry Havoc! Let loose the Dogs of War!" > > Lord Den of Earth > a/k/a > Jack Ferguson > den of earth: thank you for the notification of your declaration of war. we will notify the appropiate fleet commanders and will gladly send the dogs your way. we are hesitate to use the tunnel location you have outlined, but we will check all possible locations. As for the "Open Hand", we were never informed it was a hand that could collar us. we are sorely disappointed at the orientation of your species. we were led to believe that you were a freedom loving race. information has recently reached me that the fgz purchased colonists who were later enslaved from what is currently a qsn colony. this is a stain on our honor.= which we hope to bleach out with blood, ours or yours. please inform us as to the extent of the war you would like to escalade to. may a good death take you, minister anton qutroh qsn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:59:30 -0800 (PST) From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Mystery Outposts Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502111209.D5551-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu> On Sat, 11 Feb 1995, Todd D. Clapp wrote: > >From the desk of Todd Clapp, Minister ICN Sunrise > > > Concerning this FGZ/Quman dispute, the Admiralty currently wishes the IMP > to remain neutral. As long as the fighting stays out of IMP space we are > not inclined to interfere. My personal opinion is that there is probably > blame on both sides, but I tend to believe that the FGZ have more honor > on their side for this particular dispute. > minister clapp: do you care to elaborate on your definition of honor? i would be interested in hearing your definitions via personal mail. i would recommend hearing our side before deciding whose honor is impunged upon. if your are interested, then you may also elaborate your understanding of the situation in the personal mail. i will try to fill in any blanks in knowledge you have on the subject, but as a politican i may be long winded about it. salutations, minister qutroh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:09:58 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Incoming Transmission Message-ID: <9502112212.S45321582@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Kerry, No, Mattalot does not exist in the Draconian sector. ABM has the systems created, but no jump connection exists between Mattalot and Adamksi. Whether or not RTG connects them somewhere is up to them. S. Mathews ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:21:56 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: BSE-L digest 17 Message-ID: <9502112223.S45338217@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Zed, Gen Burton commands the ground units of IMP 2nd Armor Div. Some of the units have given both the RIP and FOE, a hard time (66th Armor Regiment). No ships involved. Gen. Burton's char. was created in 183. A rough TO&E: 2nd Armor contains 66th AR, 67th AR, 41st Mech Inf., 3rd ARTY, 17th ENG BN, 1st Air Cav Sqdn, 498th SPT, 519th MNT BN, 7th MEDCOM, 16th SIG BN, and a few division level units of only company size. And, BTW, since I was a sergeant in the real 2nd Armor (D/17 EN), that's where the units come from. S. Mathews ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:51:32 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Money? Message-ID: <9502112254.S45403830@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Lord Prothorax, Sorry if dere was some misunderstandin about the WSP visa. The WSP visa includes the right to trade at all colonies in the Periph., assumin that the colonies governor wishes to trade with the WSP.... not just IMP colonies. APD J. Hoffa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 00:15:04 -0500 From: RFN2@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Money Message-ID: <950212001503_19441314@aol.com> To Janus Prothorax and all others of the bug race; Would you be interested in FET market reports for Periphery and NonPeriphery colonies? Which items would you be interested in buying, and which items are you wishing to sell? Black Jack Morgan FET PD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 03:04:06 -0500 From: RTGThad@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Money? Message-ID: <950212030405_19549190@aol.com> While by no means a comprehensive comment on the tsellar situation <believe you will want to have them>... don't forget that you will need to spend a lot of stellars to implement your finished research projects... Thad ------------------------------ End of BSE-L Digest 21 ********************** Up