BSE-L Digest 29 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:33:09 +0000 Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List <BSE-L@consensus.com> BSE-L Digest 29 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Fwd: QSN Lie... by Jackmyster@aol.com 2) Re: The %$#&*#$% Stupid Stinkin' QSN/FGZ/IND/PFM/etc. Thing... by Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> 3) Re: Replies by jjeffrey@awod.com (John M Jeffrey, II) 4) Re: New Order Suggestion by PROTHORAX@aol.com 5) Re: Rules Overhaul by PROTHORAX@aol.com 6) Re: BAR Odyssey (3611) Market Report by Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> 7) Re: nonsmoking offices by RTGThad@aol.com 8) Re: KZK by RTGThad@aol.com 9) Re: Unreceived planet maps by Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com> 10) Re: The %$#&*#$% Stupid Stinkin' QSN/FGZ/IND/PFM/etc. Thing... by Doug Wampler <wamp@thunder.indstate.edu> 11) Re: BAR Odyssey (3611) Market Report by Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> 12) restart by "Middleton, Charles" <cmiddlet@SSBPOST.env.gov.bc.ca> 13) Re: IND Worth Revisited by StephMarte@aol.com 14) KZK flag flys by PROTHORAX@aol.com 15) Re: IND Worth Revisited by HarryFlash@aol.com 16) FGZ/QSN DREK by "NARD'ZARD'ZHOK" <74551.3412@compuserve.com> 17) Restart by RFN2@aol.com 18) New Orders (Reply to: Money?) by Jim Gagliardi <73377.2042@compuserve.com> 19) Tech / Stellars by Jim Gagliardi <73377.2042@compuserve.com> 20) Re: New Orders (Reply to: Money?) by Paul Schneider <pauls@realm2.realm.net> 21) Re: BAR Odyssey (3611) Market Report by Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> 22) Re: New Orders (Reply to: Mon... by Law2Be@aol.com 23) Re: FGZ/QSN DREK by Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 07:07:34 -0500 From: Jackmyster@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Fwd: QSN Lie... Message-ID: <950215223627_22785276@aol.com> To all interested parties...thought y'all might find this fun reading...Richard never contacted me...Truth hurrrrts doens't it? Bests- Jack --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: QSN Lie... Date: 95-02-13 19:17:54 EST From: Jackmyster To: richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu Richard: I received confirmation today that the two Sols that I attacked on 194.52 at 1647 in Merolla, were in fact at 1547 on 194.44...my conversation with Tom occurred prior to that, as my ship(s) that I was sending to Not Here were avoiding that area. (prior to 44) Either way, a "scan" puts them there on week 44....So, how "inactive" were they? They could have easily left FGZ space, but choose not to... So, why am I telling you? Because I am unclear as to whether you are also propagating this lie, or have just been (deliberately) misinformed by those who are responsible... (I know what it is like to be "fed" misinformation and end up with egg on your face) Public knowledge of this would create a backlash, not only for the QSN but also for you personally. Therefore, I will allow you two days before I take this information public and allow you to look into it. If I do not here from you (in some fashion) by Wens. night, I will post a copy of this note on the BSE List. (sound familiar?<g>) I know that Barry is hard to get a hold of, but I also know that if you want to...you can. I also know that if you request additional time from me...I will give it to you, if there is a legitament reason... I do not personally care how the QSN "look" to others (it will serve my purposes to make this known) however, I would rather save Tom some embarrisment if possible. Although I plan on destroying every position he has <g> I still consider him OOC, a friend. Upon discloser of this, I will expect an public apology from the QSN Leadership.... Bests- J. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:51:48 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Chiang <richc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: The %$#&*#$% Stupid Stinkin' QSN/FGZ/IND/PFM/etc. Thing... Message-ID: <Pine.APO.3.91.950219031119.19160A-100000@tempest.berkeley.edu> On 17 Feb 1995, Derek Smith wrote: > [OOC Observation] > > First, some Glossary definitions: > > > 2) Class 2 Impartial Observer - Someone observing a situation from > the outside, caring about BOTH parties. > > > This is from a Class 2 Impartial Observer. > > 1) The FGZ Ataman is willing to submit to arbitration. 8 weeks is a long time for an arbitration. i wonder how many ships/weapons the fgz can build in that time. > > 2) The QSN and allies are not. maybe we would like to avenge our ships first and then we will talk. > > 3) The FGZ Ataman has offerred to PROVE, via game printouts, that > what he says it true. > > 4) The QSN and allies have not. what is there to prove? the fgz blew up several qsn ships in different locations after being warned after the first attacks that we were annoyed and he did anyway. now we will get just retribution. we can prove all of that in game turns too. as for the phone conversations between tom and jack, game reports won't do anything for that. the bulk of the accusations involve ooc conversations and agreements. derek, people haven't offered to prove it to you as you have no business knowing. > > 5) The QSN Ex-Lox, Out of character, told me, in person, that if he > were in charge in Washington DC, his REAL WORLD response to the > downing of a US helicopter by North Korea, IN NORTH KOREAN AIRSPACE > WHERE IT HAD NO RIGHT TO BE, would be to drop NUCLEAR WEAPONS on > North Korea. > > No joke. His REAL WORLD response to the loss of 1 helicopter > would be to start World War III. > > Sound familiar? the dreddlox is responsible for the transhole area. what the ex-lox said is between you and him. i am not sure of the exact relevance on the situation. most of us know the difference between a game and rl and treat it separately. > > Megalomaniac that is the QSN Governing Body. nice unbiased label derek. > > 7) All you IND players out there thinking this will be good battle > experience should ask yourself the following question: > > "If my ship gets blown up in one round of combat, probably the > first round of combat, what kind of battle experience is that?" well, it really depends on the battle. are you guarenteeing them that it will be blown up in one round? do you know something i don't? at least they will get a complete battle report in any case. > > waste to start a genocidal war. I'd like to think that the > leaderships of the respective factions have more sense than that. "genocidal?" i think you have been talking to one side there before making up your mind. we have never mentioned genocide. only jack and possibly the pfm have. if you want to buy the fgz party line then so be it. > > 9) I used to take what Tom Jackson said to me at face value. But > after seeing what I've seen on this list, it's clear to me that > he isn't getting the straight scoop either - and so cannot relay > it to me. i am sorry to hear that. but please don't try to speak for tom, i don't even do that and i am in his affliation. derek, tom has not lied to you, but iti doesn't mean he tells you all our plans. that is why it is called ours. > > 10) This upcoming conflict is the most idiotic thing I've seen in a > very long time. Even if for no other reason than that it would > be so easy to avert via diplomacy. > > 11) Don't dispute #10 by saying diplomacy was tried. That's a load > of fetid dingo's kidneys. i agree. i wish more diplomacy had been used before the shots had been fired by the fgz the first, second, etc. times. maybe if sms ships were involved you would take such a complacent view. > > > --Derek Smith > SMS Information Coordinator - who's been fed bull instead of info, > and is thoroughly fed up with what's coming out of the QSN collective > mouth right now. It sounds like a fart. derek, sounds really unbiased. please understand that the qsn don't tell you everything or feel a need to explain everything to you. i would be willing, but your message has no place in a public forum either. if you weren't so concerned with getting your way and instead wanted to find the truth, you would have emailed me privately. if you want to hear our side, i would be willing to takr the time. derek, when you aren't offering aid and only criticism, it is unlikely that we will go out of our way to explain things to you. why bother convincing you? > > > Disclaimer: I like every QSN player to whom I have ever spoken, and > I remain a QSN ally. But I will not provide support for this idiocy. this is your choice, but you aren't making friends with your treatment of us. > I think the QSN has gotten itself into a mess that will require > losing face to get out of, now. They shouldn't have gotten themselves > in this deep in the first place. I'm saying this, even as a member please. we forced the fgz to attack us. i feel so evil. i made them attack my unarmed ships several times. how did i ever dig myself into this mess. woe is me. > of an allied affiliation, because it's just too ridiculous and I'm > sick of it. The very least you can do is take this off-line, > because it's wasting resources on my mail server. woh. derek, that annoys me. you are the one speaking publically too. the qsn has only responded to attacks by the fgz and have not made our case public. if you want to save resources on your mail server, then don't complain to us. i don't have tom's patience to take personal and game accusations with out a response. if you want to save resources ask the fgz to stop complaining. and i would recommend that you take all of this to personal email. derek, i know you mean well. but you have shallow knowledge of the situation. i have seen the entire situation and agree with some of your points, but i also think we are in the right. at the same time, i am not stupid enough to think my point of view is the absolute right. there are some differences currently in between the fgz/qsn and they will be resolved one way or another. derek, trying to sway our independent supporters is not neutral so please do not pretend. you may be concerned for us and the fgz, but it is our mistakes to make if they are mistakes. trying to force us through swaying our independents is twisted if meant as a geasture of concern. as i have heard said often to parents, just let go. they need to grow on their own. and just maybe derek we might be right. richard qsn minister of gimp-assisted propaganda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 95 09:05:31 EST From: jjeffrey@awod.com (John M Jeffrey, II) To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Replies Message-ID: <9502191405.AA13319@sumter.awod.com> >TO: Lady Carmencita I. Rico, ISS PD >FM: Lord Stu Krieger, EEM CEO >Re: ROC Visa > >>> The EEM's complaints about the visa have not been received fondly by >>> the ROC. Also, the EEM builds ships and "that's one strike against >>> them." > >How could the ROC be upset by our "complaints" about the visa when those >complaints were and are directed to the Imperials, not the ROC. One >government deals with another government. Now, perhaps my replies to >Mr. Hoffa's inappropriate comments, erroneously interpreted as state >policy, gave the wrong impression. > >I am only upset that my "guvment" didn't deal for us in its discussion >of trade/transit rights with another "guvment" and that's all. I cannot >and do not fault the ROC for whatever they got. They are not my >"guvment," and I and the EEM therefore am not in a position to question >what they do for themselves. > >I do not have a problem with the ROC, and will deal with them accordingly >because I have to. I just felt that the ImpSvcs should've dealt with >the ROC for its citizens rather than just its own members. > >I will correspond with Lord Cody regarding the "one strike against them" >comment to find out what he means. It is not our intention nor goal to >immediately go out to the DC and compete with the ROC. It just doesn't >make sense to do so. If the ROC thinks that is what the EEM intends then >I need to let Lord Cody know that his fears, if any, are groundless. > > Lord Stu Krieger The ROC can be upset by your complaints about the IMP handling of the visa situation with the ROC by the fact that by making those complaints you were ignoring the fact (which you may not have known) that the ROC does not consider IMP charters (and therefore IMP companies) vaild in ROC space without dealing _directly_ with the ROC. You were, to all appearances, trying to get the IMP to negotiate for you when the ROC opposes this course of action. Also, all non-governmental affiliations already had permission to transit the ROC systems, no visa was needed; yet you objected to our not having the companies included when we got a visa for our own ships. Why would you need a visa when the permission was already granted? Lady Carmencita I. Rico ISS PD, ISS Secudus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:44:35 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: New Order Suggestion Message-ID: <950219094431_26040219@aol.com> We like the don't move and kill stuff! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:44:34 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Rules Overhaul Message-ID: <950219094433_26040234@aol.com> (ooc) Just the fact it's on the top of the to do list is good enuff for me. later david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 95 11:17:09 CST From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> To: BSE Digest <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: Re: BAR Odyssey (3611) Market Report Message-ID: <9502191722.AA17943@consensus.com> On Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:47:18 -0600 (CST) Kerry Harrison said: >Market Report for Open Colony BAR Odyssey (3611) >Located on Lerner's Drift, Space Square 1635, Zamm System (14) >Founded Year 189 Week 20 Colony Size = 7 > >Market Report Dated Week 5 Year 195 > >Quantity Price Quantity Price >Colony Colony Item (Item#, MU's) Colony Colony >Selling Asking Buying Paying >50 30 BATTLE COMPUTERS (#12, 2 MU's) 0 0 >300 3 FOOD (#48, 1 MU) 0 0 >25 30 LIFE SUPPORT (#4, 2 MU's) 0 0 >5435 3 METALS/NON-METALS (#44, 1 MU) 0 0 >100 25 REPAIRBOTS (#33, 1 MU) 0 0 >64 50 SHIELDS (#11, 4 MU's) 1 75 ^^^^ A Class 7 colony and you're calling that a market report?!? :) Are you taking the USS correspondance course on how to kill all possibility of someone using your market? I don't think I've seen a MR this puny since I wasted 5 tu's scanning Shirr on Utopia a few weeks back. Alan (In a weird mood after sleep deprivation....) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:48:22 -0500 From: RTGThad@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: nonsmoking offices Message-ID: <950219124820_26135410@aol.com> Thanks Bird, but he's a gnome whol lives in a den under th building and has no phone service <g> Thad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:51:54 -0500 From: RTGThad@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: KZK Message-ID: <950219125153_26137829@aol.com> Chip is absolutely correct on the topic of the KZK. Thad ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 95 13:18:39 EST From: Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com> To: <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: Re: Unreceived planet maps Message-ID: <950219181838_75477.1627_GHJ107-1@CompuServe.COM> Steve Mathews True..., but then the 2nd para did suggest listing the expected maps. Personally, I think they should have color faxes.... Shannon Rundquist ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:09:57 -0500 From: Doug Wampler <wamp@thunder.indstate.edu> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: The %$#&*#$% Stupid Stinkin' QSN/FGZ/IND/PFM/etc. Thing... Message-ID: <199502191909.OAA04847@thunder.indstate.edu> Derek..... Well, North Korea needs a little taste of good ol' yankee know-how, anyway! And . . . why spoil the beauty of a thing with legality? Doug Wampler ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:41:38 -0600 (CST) From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: BAR Odyssey (3611) Market Report Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502191451.A22468-0100000@pentagon.io.com> On Sun, 19 Feb 1995, Alan Hatcher wrote: > A Class 7 colony and you're calling that a market report?!? :) > Are you taking the USS correspondance course on how to kill all possibility > of someone using your market? I don't think I've seen a MR this puny since I > wasted 5 tu's scanning Shirr on Utopia a few weeks back. > Alan, Tell it to the GM's it's an NPC colony controlled by the Barots. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 16:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Middleton, Charles" <cmiddlet@SSBPOST.env.gov.bc.ca> To: bse-list <bse-l@consensus.com> Subject: restart Message-ID: <2F47B9C6@envgate.env.gov.bc.ca> I think we shoulg give Thad and Pete a chance at the new rules before we attempt a complete restart, otherwise we keep the same problems with the game. Also in the next year some mighting intresting things are going to be happening within this game. Charles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:23:46 -0500 From: StephMarte@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: IND Worth Revisited Message-ID: <950219182344_26358651@aol.com> Flashman, No, not dead yet. Got tired of watching "Leave It To Jasil" reruns and decided to come out of retirement. Good to see you've resurfaced as well. One of my pilots, Capt. Dirty Mike, is already requesting duty in the Periphery now so he can jettison his rusty robo "Lamb Chops" and stop in at Worth and see your new spring line of "bodacious pleasure babes." Best of luck, Arthur Curry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:41:11 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: KZK flag flys Message-ID: <950219184109_26371219@aol.com> (ooc) note ooc/note ooc/note ooc The WaSP is the old KZK AFF and we have the old AFF #?! With the help of the SAM Queen and a face lift(ie WSP AFF code) we could get on with our insect lives?! Made sence at the time and it flowed with history. Note also, it would be foolish to make known of our true statues in the game. I don't have a problem with the KZK flying there flag but, they should have there tech level started at the level the periphery colony fell. If they wish to have the tech level of current SAM AFF then they sould have some loose association with the SAM Queen. Personally, I was to weak then and had to much going on to run with the KZK thing and I'm glad someone is giving it a shot. later david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 20:19:19 -0500 From: HarryFlash@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: IND Worth Revisited Message-ID: <950219201917_26446021@aol.com> Dear Sir Arthur, Actually, I performed many dangerous missions for the Emperor during my time in the Inner Empire and I was well rewarded. Used the mega-bucks to purchase the army that just liberated Werth from the misrule of the two "Co-Governors" (You'll be surprised how much our good Emperor will pay for certain photos of him and his favorite robot sheep). I'll post the new WERTH market report as soon as I can confirm it is up and functioning. It should be long in cheap consumer goods and expensive pleasure babes! Regard, Harry Flashman Lord Protector of IND Werth ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 95 21:52:42 EST From: "NARD'ZARD'ZHOK" <74551.3412@compuserve.com> To: BSEPOSTS <BSE-L@consensus.com>, Jack Ferguson <75022.2753@compuserve.com> Subject: FGZ/QSN DREK Message-ID: <950220025241_74551.3412_EHH57-3@CompuServe.COM> zdobeotehrhwhorejfiwjifwnwjkjkjjkjkjkjk --- ALIGNMENT COMPLETE --- ***** MESSAGE INCOMING FROM FLAGRITZ-COM LOCATION UNKNOWN ***** TO: ALL *I*, NARD'ZARD'ZHOK agree that much of what Quman zhay not worth time it take. If true theze zhipz not active, why Quman Mhinzter zho interezted in their exhiztance? If active, Qumanz lie about inactivity. Core iz Quman want to louze lotza zhipz over two. Not actionz of rational mindz: iz only proof age of SHOVELRY iz not dead. Diplomazy will end thiz before it beginz. Quman Mhinizter iz advized to attempt thiz before he zhootz off mouth again, makez zituation go far beyond point-of-no-return. TO: QUTROH FLAGRITZ do not half-fight war. Think for a moment. You might be getting into zhomething dangerouz. NARD'ZARD'ZHOK FGZ BATON RUZE FGZ TH WARLORD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 23:27:29 -0500 From: RFN2@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Restart Message-ID: <950219232728_26603179@aol.com> OCC: I like to thank Charles for stating my own opinion so clearly. Let's give the new rules a try for a while before we hollar restart. Sorry to ride on your coattails Charles, but sometimes I'm a lazy bastard. As long as the interesting things in the year to come are not mearly distractions to tear our attentions from the problems underlying the game's structure; I say we wait it out a bit. Rob ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 95 23:51:34 EST From: Jim Gagliardi <73377.2042@compuserve.com> To: BSE Mailing List <bse-l@consensus.com> Subject: New Orders (Reply to: Money?) Message-ID: <950220045133_73377.2042_CHK34-1@CompuServe.COM> >Currently the Empire is not at war with the WSP and I am aware >of no valid grievances that any chartered company has with you. >Thus any interference with your free travel in the periphery is >illegal under IMP law. While we will not order any company to >trade with another government; they are not free to use force o >arms to enforce their desire to block trade. If you can prove >that an attack has been made (in the past year) without due >justification, we will deal with the matter as dictated by IMP >law. [OOC] I recently sent a suggestion to RTG for a new colony list that would help avoid scenarios such as this GTT / WSP incident. When I was the Asst. ISP PD and then the IVRCP, I always had a problem with granting visas when I knew companies may not want to deal with the new group entering the periphery. I call the new colony list the Market Ban List. This list would contain ships and / or AFF numbers that could NOT interact in anyway with the colony, e.g. can't buy, can't sell and can't use starport complexes. If such a rule / list existed, the GTT could have banned WSP instead of firing on them. This would also be useful if several companies wanted to boycott another company or government AFF. Simply have all interested parties put the AFF on their ban list, then that AFF would be isolated without a shot being fired. I tried for two (2) years to get ABM to adopt this change and I'm happy to say that RTG seemed pleased with the idea and are looking into it. If you think this is a good idea, I suggested sending a message to RTG to voice your support. Regards, Jim G. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 95 23:51:35 EST From: Jim Gagliardi <73377.2042@compuserve.com> To: BSE Mailing List <bse-l@consensus.com> Subject: Tech / Stellars Message-ID: <950220045134_73377.2042_CHK34-2@CompuServe.COM> Concerning research projects and the ability to perform them, I've already written up a fairly extensive pricing and research strategy for research. Its geared around providing research capabilities as a service to anyone; ship captains who don't have easy access to a colony, a colony governor who either doesn't have CRLs or has CRLs that are already busy, or simply someone who wants to hire someone else to do a particular project. I've sent the proposal to RTG to review to confirm that it will work under the new rule system, but I think everything will be okay. So, once the new rules go online, be sure to contact your friendly EEM representative for a copy.:) Regards, Dr. Noa Krieger Directory of Engineering and Research Empire Engineering and Manfacturing (EEM) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 21:03:35 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Schneider <pauls@realm2.realm.net> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: New Orders (Reply to: Money?) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502192106.A21822-0100000@realm2.realm.net> On 19 Feb 1995, Jim Gagliardi wrote: > ... I call the new colony list the Market Ban > List. This list would contain ships and / or AFF numbers that could > NOT interact in anyway with the colony, e.g. can't buy, can't sell and > can't use starport complexes... > I think this is a very good idea! Paul / WCE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 01:34:43 CST From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: BAR Odyssey (3611) Market Report Message-ID: <9502200736.AA19031@consensus.com> On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:41:38 -0600 (CST) Kerry Harrison said: >On Sun, 19 Feb 1995, Alan Hatcher wrote: > >> A Class 7 colony and you're calling that a market report?!? :) >> Are you taking the USS correspondance course on how to kill all >possibility >> of someone using your market? I don't think I've seen a MR this puny since I >> wasted 5 tu's scanning Shirr on Utopia a few weeks back. >> > >Alan, > >Tell it to the GM's it's an NPC colony controlled by the Barots. > Kerry, I know, but like I said I was in a strange mood this morning after being up for just over 28 hours when I wrote that message. The NPC colonies could stand to be updated now and then by RTG, but I think I would put it pretty low on the priority list. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:34:23 -0500 From: Law2Be@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: New Orders (Reply to: Mon... Message-ID: <950220033421_26727585@aol.com> Considering the diversity of cultures in the game as a whole, this would be an exellent addition to the flexibility of a colony governor. I could think of a number of ways for members of most of the affs to use such an order besides the way stated. I vote in favor of RTG considering the new order. Rick Burningham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 02:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: FGZ/QSN DREK Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502200207.A22182-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu> nard'zard'zhok: your transmission was received and understood. i am glad you see the value of diplomacy. i wish you had practiced that before firing on our ships. you personally had a hand in violence against unarmed ships. your hand is still bloody. this issue of the ships (more than two btw) is but the straw that broke the camel's back. we showed patience through all the insults the fgz have given us. now that we can take no more insults and you are the one basically unarmed compared to us, you want to talk peace. if you live through honorable combat, then learn this lesson; threats and violence do not impress the qsn and most groups. your xenophobia will only lead to your destruction. below is a prepared response to your communication. i would insist that in the future you do not waste public bandwidth for such comunications. if you truly desire peace and not just want to perform for the public, you address communications privately so i may pass sensitive to the qsn high command. On 19 Feb 1995, NARD'ZARD'ZHOK wrote: > zdobeotehrhwhorejfiwjifwnwjkjkjjkjkjkjk --- ALIGNMENT COMPLETE --- > ***** MESSAGE INCOMING FROM FLAGRITZ-COM LOCATION UNKNOWN ***** > TO: ALL > *I*, NARD'ZARD'ZHOK agree that much of what Quman zhay not worth time > it take. If true theze zhipz not active, why Quman Mhinzter zho interezted > in their exhiztance? If active, Qumanz lie about inactivity. the qsn ignored the first attack even though it was an insult. to do so again and again was that much worth. to do so while issuing threats made it intolerable. we value our ships, active or not. but we value our honor more. you have stepped on our honor and now we will step on you. > > Core iz Quman want to louze lotza zhipz over two. Not actionz of > rational mindz: iz only proof age of SHOVELRY iz not dead. if you believe that you measure right in sheer mathmatical calculations, you are correct. we qsn have a silly thing about honor and we real democracies are irrational in some ways. we will risk many lives to save a few. this is a quirk i know, but one we choose to keep. > > Diplomazy will end thiz before it beginz. Quman Mhinizter iz advized to > attempt thiz before he zhootz off mouth again, makez zituation go far > beyond point-of-no-return. i have tried diplomacy from the beginning. all i have gotten is threats and insults and destroyed ships. you, sir, have choosen your path, now live with it. as for making the situation worse, we, qsn, have not escalated the war. we have not fired on one fgz ship since we have posted your affliation. if you care to review your communication files, your group is the one talking about war and extreme destruction. before you presume to lecture others, you may want to clean your house first. > > TO: QUTROH > FLAGRITZ do not half-fight war. Think for a moment. You might be getting > into zhomething dangerouz. > > NARD'ZARD'ZHOK > FGZ BATON RUZE > FGZ TH WARLORD > another threat of escalation. once again, i reiterate, we do not respond to such threats. if the fgz want to escalate, such is your choice and we will live with it. if you want to talk peace, then do so. while your "concern" is appreciated, we know exactly and i mean exactly what we are getting in to. i expect this to be the last public communication or i will assume that the fgz are just interested in prancing for the public and not in peace. i know there are some people annoyed at public airwaves being cluttered with your statements and my responses. i understand your proclamations happen to continuely intersect with that popular show "galactic mamas show you how." i will not clutter the airwaves, but i will not cede the airwaves to your propaganda. also, please relay to the den of earth that he should spend less time trying to convince individuals he is right and more time talking to the parties that matter (namely us) or preparing for war. we regard such strong arm tactics and political imaging as nothing more than a sign of weakness and insincerity for the cause of peace. minister qutroh out ------------------------------ End of BSE-L Digest 29 ********************** Up