BSE-L Digest 28 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 16:52:57 +0000 Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List <BSE-L@consensus.com> BSE-L Digest 28 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Restart by Phil Krauskopf <pkrauskopf@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> 2) Re: Starship Revisited by Henry4633@aol.com 3) Unreceived Planet Maps by "75477.1627@compuserve.com" <75477.1627@compuserve.com> 4) Re: Rulebook -Reply by vlloyd@ima.infomail.com (Vickie Lloyd) 5) nonsmoking offices by vlloyd@ima.infomail.com (Vickie Lloyd) 6) Internet Stuff by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 7) Re: New Order Suggestion by PROTHORAX@aol.com 8) Re: Internet Stuff by PROTHORAX@aol.com 9) Money? by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 10) Unreceived Planet Maps by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org 11) Photon Guns by DesertRat <131.110.62.36@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> 12) KZK by ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) 13) Werth Liberated!!! by HarryFlash@aol.com 14) Replies by Wayne Alexander <71470.344@compuserve.com> 15) FET Markets by RFN2@aol.com 16) BAR Odyssey (3611) Market Report by Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:39:42 -0400 From: Phil Krauskopf <pkrauskopf@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> To: bse-l@consensus.com, bse-l@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Subject: Restart Message-ID: <sf45a8fc.014@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> If we're going to allow SOME transfer of stuff from the current play area to a new one, I vote we make Rlo and Hoffa carry it in on theri backs! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:57:52 -0500 From: Henry4633@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Starship Revisited Message-ID: <950218085750_25335955@aol.com> Chip and jeff i must agree with you about game .but think in time we came fixed.If we let new GM get there feet on the ground . But befor we make suggestions. PETER A. HENRY 723 ARLINGTON AVE APT # 6 PLAINFIELD,NJ 07060-1550 908-753-8231 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 95 12:15:34 EST From: "75477.1627@compuserve.com" <75477.1627@compuserve.com> To: <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: Unreceived Planet Maps Message-ID: <950218171534_75477.1627_GHJ133-1@CompuServe.COM> TO: INTERNET: BSE-L@consensus.com >From: RTGThad@aol.com >Basically, turns that need maps from probes go into the dreaded >"get the maps >from the tomes of knowledge bin" befopre they are sent out. Part >of the new >system will be all the maps coming from the disk, but that is >still a lot of >key-punching away <can't believe that ABM never bothered to do it >in all thos >years>, so we will review it and try to tighten it up, sorry for >any inconvenience. What seems to have worked well for me is to put the order 'Probe <world>' in Red ink while the rest of the turn is in blue or black. If I have a lot, I will then list the ones that I am expecting at the end of the turn. For those of you uploading or faxing in your turns, I would recommend listing what you are expecting somewhere on the turn. This method, once started, never once resulted in a missed map. I even did 14 in one turn and received ALL of them! Shannon Rundquist aka Speaker Silver Cascade for the MYR ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 95 10:23:01 -0600 From: vlloyd@ima.infomail.com (Vickie Lloyd) To: Bse-l@consensus.com Subject: Re: Rulebook -Reply Message-ID: <ba7_9502181136@ima.infomail.com> Hosrt!! Nay, nay, old son--end of the world means escalation of wine, women and song. You Yankees. gee yadda --- QuickBBS 2.76a Ovr ------------------------------ Date: 03 Jan 00 23:10:38 -0600 From: vlloyd@ima.infomail.com (Vickie Lloyd) To: bse-l@consensus.com Subject: nonsmoking offices Message-ID: <ba6_9502181136@ima.infomail.com> Thad-- Gimme the number of the buidling manager, baby, and I'll call. {}8^) yadda The Bird in her halpful mode ########################################################################### # INTERNET UUCP GATEWAY: This message was sent from Fidonet to Internet # # via the UUCP gateway. All messages are not the # # opinions of the operator of the node of origin! # ########################################################################### ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:16:54 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Internet Stuff Message-ID: <9502181222.S60973187@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Derek, tell your friends to check local BBS's. there will almost always be one or two that offer an Internet mail relay (only) for a mere fraction of the cost of a full service Internet provider. S. Mathews ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 14:05:16 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: New Order Suggestion Message-ID: <950218140513_25509264@aol.com> (ooc) Yes that would be a big time saver for me! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 14:05:21 -0500 From: PROTHORAX@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Re: Internet Stuff Message-ID: <950218140518_25509292@aol.com> (ooc) I really like AOL! So much so I droped C$S after having it for 5+ years?! later david ps i have odd hours this month so i'll give you a call when this settles down!....................... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:52:05 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Money? Message-ID: <9502181254.S61030818@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Lord Prothorax, By the Emperor's law, all planets, moons, gas giants, space squares, etc., within the confines of Imperial space are the property of the Emperor. colonies are given control of the sector within which they are located, and outposts merely control the square in which they are located. Since the planetary orbit is the property of the Emperor, in a hypothetical situation where an IMP colony & a non-IMP colony share the same world, the non-IMP colony would not "...control the airspace..." (nor would the IMP colony... the airspace is controlled by the Emperor). Now, hypothetically, lets say a MYR ship (I use them for this example, because they have a visa, and i'm not aware of any incidents occuring with them) enters orbit of Utopia in Capellan (chosen because there is an IMP colony there, and a large number of non-IMP colonies), and hypothetically, EEM Hypso (chosen at random) opens fire and destroys it. Since the MYR have a visa to be there, and since the orbit is public domain, unless the EEM could prove that that particular MYR ship had been guilty of a transgression of IMP law, or could justify that a state of war existed between the EEM & MYR [ooc: Wayne & Shannon, just using ya'll as hypothetical examples], the EEM colony might be guilty of an act of piracy. Since this is public, I think i'll kill 2 birds with one stone. The following is the list of ISP posted affiliations: RIP, FOE, HDN, DTN. The following is a list of affiliations (ooc: player-affil.) which do NOT have an IMP visa, and WILL be fired on by IMP positions if they tresspass without prior permission from either the ISS PD or myself: PGJ, AIS, KZK. Note: an unfinished state of war exists between the KZK & IMP, and in 1 month, the KZK will be added to the ISP posted list. The KZK have that month to make peace and end the war. PD von Ludendorf OOC: to Thad, (not Dave) Thad, I strongly object to you resurrecting the KZK, after they were wiped out. I know the excuse you are using is valid (weak but valid), but "giving" them techs that they didn't have before is wrong. Further, it's not fair to Kerry, since he's got a built in enemy in the IMP (the KZK were wiped out in war with the IMP, and on resurrection, the war would still exist). If you were to give him the ship & cargo (saying it was in hiding since the escape), and the original techs, and say: you're on your own. that would be different, but retroactively resurecting an entire dead affil. and giving them extra is wrong. I know I can't change your mind on this, but at least you now know how I feel on this matter. S. Mathews ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:04:59 CST From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Unreceived Planet Maps Message-ID: <9502181312.S61047063@dallas.relay.ucm.org> Shannon, colored inks don't work too well for those of us who fax in our turns. S. Mathews ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 15:18:24 -2400 From: DesertRat <131.110.62.36@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> To: bse-l@consensus.com Subject: Photon Guns Message-ID: <199502182117.PAA18889@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov> I read a comment that only the FGZ have Photon Guns. I have a copy of a battle report showing the EKN using them (and kicking major tail). I just rejoined the game (as IND) and have tons of useful information. I'm not cheap, but I can be bought. Also, I'm looking for profitable runs for my cargo ship. Once I've got the stellar (and know more about local conditions and alliances) I'm planning on setting up an IND trading colony in the Periphery. Message posted here are my only source of data. I read it several times a week, so my response time ain't bad. Drop a note if we can help each other. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 17:55 WET From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: KZK Message-ID: <m0rfy40-000hZ5C@m-net148.arbornet.org> >OOC: >to Thad, (not Dave) >Thad, I strongly object to you resurrecting the KZK, after they were wiped >out. I know the excuse you are using is valid (weak but valid), but "giving" >them techs that they didn't have before is wrong. Further, it's not fair to >Kerry, since he's got a built in enemy in the IMP (the KZK were wiped out in >war with the IMP, and on resurrection, the war would still exist). If you >were to give him the ship & cargo (saying it was in hiding since the escape), >and the original techs, and say: you're on your own. that would be different, >but retroactively resurecting an entire dead affil. and giving them extra is >wrong. I know I can't change your mind on this, but at least you now know >how I feel on this matter. > >S. Mathews > > Steve, FWIW, that would depend a LOT on where and what. I happen to know for a fact that the original design of the KZK called for several downed ships with tech the stranded KZK on Kolars had not 're-found' on 1 or more other systems in the periphery. The 'rumors/history' of this also impled that there might be another small KZK hive associated with one of these locations. I know this from discussions with Gerry Austin while I was still living i Florida working with him but no longer in BSE. I would suggest that you all contact Gerry for further information. He designed the KZK from the ground up with the help of a couple others in the gaming group down there. Bottom line is that this could easily be from one of those many things supposedly still in the periphery but undiscovered and thus is nothing more than activating another piece of the BSE story line. Not so weak in that light Chip Charnley (who is shooting his mouth off without knowing ANY of the details of the current situation besides wha't in Steve's posting) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 20:45:47 -0500 From: HarryFlash@aol.com To: BSE-L@consensus.com Subject: Werth Liberated!!! Message-ID: <950218204546_25768980@aol.com> To: ALL I am pleased to inform the citizens of the CP that the evil government that has ruled Werth since the end of the hated COM has been overthrown!!! Yes, the People's Republic of Hile has been cast down and IND Werth arises anew. Please note that the neutrality zone on Hile and the surrounding space hexes is once more in effect, and all are welcome for trade. Also note that IND Werth is armed to the teeth and will deal with any invader in an appropriate manner. So let the blessings of Free Trade, Neutrality and Inexpensive Female Sex Slaves shine on the citizens of Werth and all those who come to trade there!! Harry Flashman Lord Protector of IND Werth P.S. - I am told that many shocking things will be revealed at the upcoming war crimes trial of the two Co-Governors of the former People's Republic of Hile. I will release more information as it is forthcoming. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 95 00:00:34 EST From: Wayne Alexander <71470.344@compuserve.com> To: BSE Digest <BSE-L@consensus.com> Subject: Replies Message-ID: <950219050034_71470.344_EHB130-1@CompuServe.COM> TO: Steve Mathews FM: Wayne Alexander Re: James Hoffa Yes, Immortals. Referring of course to the personal bodyguards of the late Persian emperor, Darius. I knew how abrasive Mr. Hoffa was. That's why I played it (in-char) as if he was off his rocker and that von Ludendorf would clear things up when he returned. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TO: Derek Smith FM: Wayne Alexander Re: QSN-FGZ Nonsense This is from a Class 2 Impartial Observer. I agree with your observations. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TO: Everyone FM: Wayne Alexander Re: A fresh start? I vote NO to restarting. If one wishes to start from scratch then buy a less than 33 hull ship and head out towards the Draconian Cluster. The Kriegers have lived in the CP off and on for 12+ years. We have no desire to see it wiped away (regardless of the scenario used) and our efforts so far wiped away with it. The game is an open ended space opera. What happens happens. You can ignore the history, you can effect the history, but you can't wipe it out. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TO: Lady Carmencita I. Rico, ISS PD FM: Lord Stu Krieger, EEM CEO Re: ROC Visa >> The EEM's complaints about the visa have not been received fondly by >> the ROC. Also, the EEM builds ships and "that's one strike against >> them." How could the ROC be upset by our "complaints" about the visa when those complaints were and are directed to the Imperials, not the ROC. One government deals with another government. Now, perhaps my replies to Mr. Hoffa's inappropriate comments, erroneously interpreted as state policy, gave the wrong impression. I am only upset that my "guvment" didn't deal for us in its discussion of trade/transit rights with another "guvment" and that's all. I cannot and do not fault the ROC for whatever they got. They are not my "guvment," and I and the EEM therefore am not in a position to question what they do for themselves. I do not have a problem with the ROC, and will deal with them accordingly because I have to. I just felt that the ImpSvcs should've dealt with the ROC for its citizens rather than just its own members. I will correspond with Lord Cody regarding the "one strike against them" comment to find out what he means. It is not our intention nor goal to immediately go out to the DC and compete with the ROC. It just doesn't make sense to do so. If the ROC thinks that is what the EEM intends then I need to let Lord Cody know that his fears, if any, are groundless. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:17:23 -0500 From: RFN2@aol.com To: BSE-l@consensus.com Subject: FET Markets Message-ID: <950219001722_25902503@aol.com> The following is a brief list of priority market items and odds and ends at several FET markets. FET Clove (573) on Utopia in Capellan; has highport SELLS: Araldo 4963/9 Fissionables 3000/7 grassjuice 1254/1 Pulac crystals 1172/10 BUYS: Thorlium ore 5000/11 Veterans 7000/12 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FET Hedion 919 on Bates in Trian; no highport yet SELLS: Euphoria 10337/3 Processed Thor 1000/11 BUYS: BCM 100/600 Ground Fighters 1000/400 Ground Bombers 1000/225 ICM 100/600 SHields 1000/60 Soldiers 100000/10 Transport Module 100/600 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FET Redwood #741 on Jarn in Justin, Highport available SELLS: Green Troops 750/6 Robotic Sheep 28/57 Small arms 270/5 Trumpter Seeds 993/10 BUYS: Assault tanks 100/700 BCM 100/100 Crew 100/5 LT Basic Mod. 250/250 Jacium 200/19 **************************************** This is by no means a complete list for any of the colonies; it is just a quick look at some of the items that they are looking for and have to offer. Thanks Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:47:18 -0600 (CST) From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> To: BSE Mailing List <bse-l@consensus.com> Subject: BAR Odyssey (3611) Market Report Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9502182351.A22089-0100000@pentagon.io.com> Market Report for Open Colony BAR Odyssey (3611) Located on Lerner's Drift, Space Square 1635, Zamm System (14) Founded Year 189 Week 20 Colony Size = 7 Market Report Dated Week 5 Year 195 Quantity Price Quantity Price Colony Colony Item (Item#, MU's) Colony Colony Selling Asking Buying Paying 50 30 BATTLE COMPUTERS (#12, 2 MU's) 0 0 300 3 FOOD (#48, 1 MU) 0 0 25 30 LIFE SUPPORT (#4, 2 MU's) 0 0 5435 3 METALS/NON-METALS (#44, 1 MU) 0 0 100 25 REPAIRBOTS (#33, 1 MU) 0 0 64 50 SHIELDS (#11, 4 MU's) 1 75 Complexes located at this starport: 4 MAINTENANCE COMPLEXES 1 MERCHANDISING COMPLEXES 1 HOSPITAL COMPLEXES 3 SHIP YARD COMPLEXES 1 SECURITY COMPLEXES 1 RECREATION COMPLEXES 2 REPAIR COMPLEXES 1 RESTAURANT COMPLEXES 4 CREW TRAINING COMPLEXES 5 SPECIAL COMPLEXES ------------------------------ End of BSE-L Digest 28 ********************** Up