ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #27

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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Subject: Turn Checker
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 14:08:50 -0500 (EST)

What is the status of the turn checker that was being worked on.  Is it
available?

--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net

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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 10:21:39 +0500
From: roy@acasun.eckerd.edu (Jonathan Roy)
Subject: Re: Turn Checker

- What is the status of the turn checker that was being worked on.  Is it
- available?

If you mean mine, it's availible for public use, but the code isn't
availible yet... There is still one bug for me to fix, others to be
discovered, and I need to add explicit checking on spell names, item
names, etc etc. Once it's complete I'll release the code, but for
now you can use it if you like by mailing me with the subject
"turncheck" and placing the orders in the body just like you send them to
the game itself. It'll convert your orders into a semi-readable English
format, point out any syntax errors (if you mispell the name of a text
field it won't catch it yet), and mail you a reply within seconds of my
receving it.

Good luck.
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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 10:21:39 +0500
From: roy@acasun.eckerd.edu (Jonathan Roy)
Subject: Re: Turn Checker

- What is the status of the turn checker that was being worked on.  Is it
- available?

Good luck.
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From: Geoff Dunbar <atlantis@rahul.net>
Subject: Atlantis 2.0: atl-players list
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 17:54:39 -0800

This is a weekly posting for the atl-players mailing list. This list
is meant for all players in the Atlantis 2.0. Mail sent to this list
should be appropriate for all players of Atlantis 2.0. Rules questions
should probably be sent to the moderator (atlantis@rahul.net), he can
then forward the question and answer to the list. Role-playing is
appropriate, but faction-to-faction email should not be sent to the
list.

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Atlantis 2.0.

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From: Geoff Dunbar <atlantis@rahul.net>
Subject: Atlantis 2.0: atl-players list
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 17:55:31 -0800

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Please include the word 'Atlantis' in your Subject line, so the other
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From: Greg Romano <glr8c@faraday.clas.virginia.edu>
Subject: Atlantis help
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:53:29 -0500 (EST)

This was my report after my first move.  I'm not sure what went wrong.

Atlantis Report For:
The Imperium () (War/Magic)
June, Year 1

Errors during turn:
Helios (550): GIVE: No item given.
Helios (550): GIVE: No item given.
1st Phoenix Guards (1742): BUY: Unit attempted to buy more than it
could afford.

Events during turn:
Helios (550): Claims $3500.
1st Phoenix Guards (1742): Buys 0 high elves at $60 each.
Helios (550): Studies tactics.

Skill reports:
Tactics 1: Tactics allows the unit, and all allies, to gain a free
round of attacks during battle. The army with the highest level
tactician in a battle will receive this free round; if the highest
levels are equal, no free round is awarded.

Declared Attitudes (default Neutral):
Hostile : none.
Unfriendly : none.
Neutral : none.
Friendly : none.
Ally : none.

Unclaimed silver: 1500.

Atlantis City (-,-), city, 2099 peasants (high elves), $8895.

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From: Greg Romano <glr8c@faraday.clas.virginia.edu>
Subject: Atlantis help
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:53:29 -0500 (EST)

This was my report after my first move.  I'm not sure what went wrong.

Atlantis Report For:
The Imperium () (War/Magic)
June, Year 1

Errors during turn:
Helios (550): GIVE: No item given.
Helios (550): GIVE: No item given.
1st Phoenix Guards (1742): BUY: Unit attempted to buy more than it
could afford.

Events during turn:
Helios (550): Claims $3500.
1st Phoenix Guards (1742): Buys 0 high elves at $60 each.
Helios (550): Studies tactics.

Declared Attitudes (default Neutral):
Hostile : none.
Unfriendly : none.
Neutral : none.
Friendly : none.
Ally : none.

Unclaimed silver: 1500.

Atlantis City (-,-), city, 2099 peasants (high elves), $8895.

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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:53:48 GMT
From: Stretch@cityscape.co.uk (Matt Dunne)
Subject: Turn checker.

To anyone who has written a turn checker for Atl 2.0, get it sent to the WWW
site.

Cheers,

Matt Dunne.

stretch@cityscape.co.uk

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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:48:00 +0100
From: David Maxera <maxera@fzu.cz>
Subject: Atlantis-The Punishers

Pillagers ! Pillagers in Glomera (45,6) ! Mum, help me !

It was
- Gray Dragon Legion (1535), 50 nomads; dangerous looking soldiers..

And they moved to another region!
What could they do there?

An alliance against them should be formed !
I'm afraid I have neither combat trainet units, nor plenty of time for
organizing something in Atlantis - but for now, contact me if you are
around Stinchar and you wont to enter it - let me call it The Punishers
alliance.
Goal: protect our income, kill out pillagers etc.

David
Great Muuf and his family (117)

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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:21:49 -0500
From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger)
Subject: ATLANTIS "bug" fix

I just read that Geoff has "fixed" the "bug" that units with swords but no
combat skill could not tax.  Perhaps this discussion belongs on the design
list, but I'm not a member of that one, so here it goes:

This change eliminates one of the main advantages of training non-leader
units in combat, instead of some other skill, for generic and war trade
factions.  If I can give my herbalists the ability to tax, in addition
to an effective combat skill of 2, just by buying them swords, then why
shouldn't all of my units be herbalists? Or lumberjacks?  Or construction
workers?  This goes double for weaponsmiths, who can make their own swords.
Sure, combat-trained units would be _better_ in a fight, but they now lack
any other raison d'etre, at least for some faction types.

John Bollinger
jobollin@indiana.edu
Faction 105

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From: "LEWIS.J.HADDOW" <9235367@arran.sms.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:05:35 +0000
Subject: abbreviations

Erm - you could have told us BEFOREHAND that the abbreviation for
longbow skill was being changed from lon to lbo!  I ordered two of my
units to "STUDY lon" and received two error reports of "STUDY:
Invalid skill".  All I was doing was dutifully following the rules as
they stood LAST TURN.  Did anyone else have this problem, and how do
they feel about it?
Lewis.
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:33:41 PST
From: "GDUNBAR.US.ORACLE.COM" <GDUNBAR@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: abbreviations

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]Erm - you could have told us BEFOREHAND that the abbreviation for
]longbow skill was being changed from lon to lbo!  I ordered two of my
]units to "STUDY lon" and received two error reports of "STUDY:
]Invalid skill".  All I was doing was dutifully following the rules as
]they stood LAST TURN.  Did anyone else have this problem, and how do
]they feel about it?
]Lewis.

Actually, I announced this change in both last week's and this
week's Times. So, I did announce it beforehand.

Geoff

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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 08:52 MET
From: strategy@kom.auc.dk (Michael O. Akinde)
Subject: Re: Atlantis-The Punishers

> Pillagers ! Pillagers in Glomera (45,6) ! Mum, help me !

Please! Stop whining. It is not the first time, and it will certainly
not be the last time that somewhere on Atlantis is pillaged.

> It was
> - Gray Dragon Legion (1535), 50 nomads; dangerous looking soldiers..

Hmm, Actually, they are now called the Gray Dragons.

> And they moved to another region!
> What could they do there?

Recruit more troops? After all, we are a War Faction.

> An alliance against them should be formed !
> I'm afraid I have neither combat trainet units, nor plenty of time for
> organizing something in Atlantis - but for now, contact me if you are
> around Stinchar and you wont to enter it - let me call it The Punishers
> alliance.

You would be welcome, though possibly the Alliance that I`m a member of
might have something to say about this. Just to let you know that I`m not
the only War Faction around Stinchar that would react rather violently to
any moves against us. Not a threat, just telling plain facts.

> Goal: protect our income, kill out pillagers etc.

Come off it. I purposely pillaged a land on the edge of our continent, so
don`t tell me that it was an important business centre. As if Stinchar hasn`t
got enough plains to last us all a lifetime. (I`m sick and tired of them.)
Anyway, since you obviously are there, what were the results of the pillage?
(How much damage did it cause, etc. I for one, would like to know.)

> David
> Great Muuf and his family (117)

Legate Rayelin,

Former Centurion of the Gray Dragons.

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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Subject: Atl2-Pillaging
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:44:20 -0500 (EST)

Greetings all,
		The recent comments about pillageing does make me want to
know just what the effects are?  I know you get a fair amount of cash out
of it, but what does it do to the area?  I really do not want to have to
pillage something just out of curiosity, and certainly not my own territory!

So, inquiring minds want to know!

Interesting side note that may be news to some of you.  Last turn I TAXED
with a unit and to save money did not order them to continue to study
combat for one turn.  Because they had no other month long order they
WORKED, raised still more cash but lowered the tax base.  Since when does
working LOWER the tax base of an area?

--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net

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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:19:07 +0100
From: David Maxera <maxera@fzu.cz>
Subject: Re: Atl2-Pillaging

> 		The recent comments about pillageing does make me want to
> know just what the effects are?  I know you get a fair amount of cash out
> of it, but what does it do to the area?  I really do not want to have to
> pillage something just out of curiosity, and certainly not my own territory!
>
> So, inquiring minds want to know!

I have obtained more such questions, so:

This is from my June report

!Glomera (45,6), plain, 760 peasants (nomads), $0.
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!  Wages: $9.
!  Wanted: none.
!  For Sale: 76 nomads at $64, 15 leaders at $128.
!  Entertainment available: $0.
!  Products: 20 horses.

And this from May report:

!Glomera (45,6), plain, 776 peasants (nomads), $4656.
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!  Wages: $16.
!  Wanted: none.
!  For Sale: 77 nomads at $64, 15 leaders at $128.
!  Entertainment available: $232.
!  Products: 20 horses.

One can conclude:

In the short run pillaging is very good strategy - one can earn four times
more money per character then by taxing. On the other hand, one have to
move every turn to some new territory. From it follows that alliance with
economy based on pillaging will be very strong and aggresive. So, once
there is an pillaging alliance one has three possibilites: pillage also,
form wide alliance which can four times outnumber the pillagers, or leave
very far.
This is the reason of my founding The Pillagers.

Great Muuf and his family (117)