BSE-L Digest 44

From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 15:04:57 +0000

Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List  <BSE-L@consensus.com>

BSE-L Digest 44

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) reminder
	by PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
  2) Non-player actions
	by Charles Meredith <74214.2743@compuserve.com>
  3) Ship Specializations
	by Charles Meredith <74214.2743@compuserve.com>
  4) Colonist movements
	by Charles Meredith <74214.2743@compuserve.com>
  5) Hull shift changes
	by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
  6) Colonist movements -Reply
	by PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
  7) Re: RTG Ship Specials
	by btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
  8) Re: Group Pickup Authorization
	by rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs)
  9) Re: Group Pickup Authorization
	by Law2Be@aol.com
 10) Tooled factories
	by btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
 11) Address to the Greater Periphery
	by PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
 12) Re: Newsflash
	by David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com>
 13) AFT "Trial"
	by PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
 14) Re: Address to the Greater Periphery
	by Cojran Michael <cojran@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
 15) Re: Address to the Greater Periphery -Reply
	by PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
 16) Oaths
	by Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
 17) BSE & Changes, A Cadet's Perspective
	by eker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Erik Ker)
 18) Re: BSE & Changes, A Cadet's Perspective
	by Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
 19) Re: Address to the Greater Periphery -Reply
	by Cojran Michael <cojran@ucsub.colorado.edu>
 20) BSE & Changes, A Cadet's Perspective
	by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
 21) Re: QSN
	by paulmans@tmn.com
 22) QSN
	by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 08:12:52 -0400
From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
To: bse-l@consensus.com
Subject: reminder
Message-ID: <sf5ac4a3.060@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>

This is just a friendly reminder to all BSE players
that RTG's new fax line goes into service tomorrow.
Beginning tomorrow, the RTG fax # is: (303) 466-5411.

Phil K.

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Date: 06 Mar 95 08:26:42 EST
From: Charles Meredith <74214.2743@compuserve.com>
To: List Server BSE <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Non-player actions
Message-ID: <950306132641_74214.2743_BHT6-2@CompuServe.COM>

One of the things I miss from my Tribes of Crane days is the little slips
of paper that would have some special occurance/oprotunity by some NPC.  Now I
know you have better things to do right now than think of a thosand or so unique
special actions; but if you could do it as a long term project, it would be
great for roleplay.
	It could work like this:

1)  Create LOTS of special actions (some good opprotunities, some cons) each
with a different person's name attached to it.  Create a database with the name
field indexed.

2)  On whatever random basis, distribute the intro to the action.  It would be
something like:  "Hello, I'm Harry Haulmiester.  You seem like a nice chap.
Just for you, I'm willing to haul upto 300 MUs to any destination you desire
[including | excluding] war zones for *900 payable upon landing at the
destination (or sooner if it is unattended).  Breach of payment forfits the
cargo."

3)  Player responds with a special action.  Like "Well, Harry, I may be a nice
chap; but I'm not a rich nice chap!  For hauling a farm and 100 food to the XXX
colony in YYY system, I can pay you *600.  Take it or leave it.

4)  NPC responds with either No; Yes and performs as advertised; or Yes and runs
with the goods.  And the card is done.  If you want to take it a step further,
you can let Affs post the people on the cards (after they've run with the
goods).  This would change the card to "Found Harry Haulmiester -- wanted by the
XXX Aff." then intro to the same deal.

Chazz

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Date: 06 Mar 95 08:26:45 EST
From: Charles Meredith <74214.2743@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:BSE-L@consensus.com" <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Ship Specializations
Message-ID: <950306132644_74214.2743_BHT6-3@CompuServe.COM>

>>>1) No, Merchant class ships as they exist now will still be Merchant class
ships.<<<

I ask because current Cargo vessels have all of the disadvantages of
Merchant Spec; but none of the disadvantages.  Unless you plant to allow the to
specialize in say Gunship and then allow them to shoot weapons, something else
should be done.  If you DO allow them to convert to gunship -- watch out
universe....  a CC would be able to carry 1200 Disruptors at level 1.  Call me
paranoid....

>>>2) Missiles and Torpedoes are separated for a reason <g>

3) Under the new combat system, Carriers and Escorts will have other neat things
associated with the <as well as the other types>.

4) Tractor beams will definitely get an overhauls, as will HGLs, Auxiliary
Thrusters and a number of other items.<<<

Can you enlighten us so the PDs can make informed descisions as to which
spec they want as their freebee?

The only possible difference I can see for Luxury liners would be if you
are planning to have open markets where the governers don't have a say in what
is bought or sold.  In such a place, you could have colonists that wish to book
passage in either regular or luxury accomodations.  While this would be a good
way to get stellars back into the game (the price would have to be good to lure
a player to do this for a living), I don't think it is very policeable.  Once
colonists are picked up, who is to say where they are dropped off.  I guess you
could make it "Take me anywhere" passengers; but it does not seem too realistic.

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Date: 06 Mar 95 08:26:39 EST
From: Charles Meredith <74214.2743@compuserve.com>
To: List Server BSE <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Colonist movements
Message-ID: <950306132638_74214.2743_BHT6-1@CompuServe.COM>

An idea to stimulate even further interest in keeping the morale levels
up would be to allow colonists to move around a little on their own.  Each
colony governer would have to say how many they would allow to enter their
colony per week.  They could also specify how many can leave; but the minimum
would be something like 0.1%.  The number leaving and enterine would be based on
relative morale level.
	For every standard deviation lower than the galactic norm (keeping
fractions), upto 1% (or the governer's limit) would choose to move somewhere
else.  All of these would combine into a pool to be distributed the following
week (travel time lag).
	For distribution, every colony with a morale higher than the galactic
norm would gain colonists.  For every standard deviation above the norm (again
keeping fractions), they would gain 1 share of the total pool from the previous
week.  This would be limited by the governer's limit on import so they would
have a say in preventing their colonies from being overwhelmed.

Chazz

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 07:46:42 CST
From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Hull shift changes
Message-ID: <9503060801.S102862054@dallas.relay.ucm.org>

Shannon,
If Silver Cascade's used starship lot is open for business yet, what do y'all
want for some older myrships. I think my ISS players would like an upgrade
from their SC's. <g>

S.Mathews

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 09:33:13 -0400
From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
To: bse-l@consensus.com
Subject: Colonist movements -Reply
Message-ID: <sf5ad77a.097@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>

We might want to have the
emmigration/immigrations limits set by governors to
affect morale, too.

Phil K

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 10:10:47 EST
From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: RTG Ship Specials
Message-ID: <199503061511.KAA207408@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>

Thad,

I would humbly suggest that the new specialization options REPLACE the old
freighter classification.  It makes little sense to so penalize certain ship
types that might otherwise be well suited for certain specializations (e.g.,
the MM).

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
                            Brad's Sig. File Here
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:22:32 -0800
From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Group Pickup Authorization
Message-ID: <v01510100ab80e4f048dc@[192.65.129.70]>

>I have another idea (I heard that 'Uh oh') which I will pass on here.
>Group pickup authorization.  The 'in-between' solution to giving out
>pickup code to whole colony or sending pickup authorization to one
>ship.  Essentially, allow 8 groups of a max of 4 items on it.  Each
>group would have it's own pickup code.  Then, if I make a deal with
>someone, they can have anyone they desire to pickup that stuff
>by specifing the group code # and the pickup code for that group.

I think it's a good idea. (FWIW)

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:57:36 -0500
From: Law2Be@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Group Pickup Authorization
Message-ID: <950306115734_40773750@aol.com>

I love the idea.  I deal with affiliations as a whole often, and sometimes do
not know "who" is coming to pick it up.  Likewise, sometimes I would like the
flexibitlity to have a different ship than the one with the pickup code
actually come get it.  Needs change quickly, but PU authorizations often do
not.
  Rick

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 12:37:24 EST
From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
To: bse-l@consensus.com
Subject: Tooled factories
Message-ID: <199503061737.MAA147941@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>

Hi folks.  While we're on factory stuff, why not have non-producing factories
not use resources?  Why give a bunch of sheep to colonists who aren't working?
 This could, of course, end up re-opening the salary v. morale question.

Be seeing  you,

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 13:00:24 -0400
From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
To: bse-l@consensus.com
Subject: Address to the Greater Periphery
Message-ID: <sf5b09df.008@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>

(Visual:  A large chamber, housing a conclave of WCE
Party members.  Front and Center is a lone podium,
on the front of which is the insignia of the office of the
General Secretary.  At 1900 hours, a solitary human
strides purposefully to the podium, as silence washes
over the assemblage.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, the General Secretary of
the Whitehole Colonial Empire."

The conclave rises, and applause fills the chamber
as the General Secretary enters from the sidestage,
and approaches the pulpit.  As he reaches his
destination, the Secretary pauses to glance at his
notes, gives a flicker of a smile and a nod of thanks to
the assemblage, and then assumes the grim
expression of someone about to make an official
pronouncement.  The applause is abruptly chopped
off, and the Party members reassume their seats.)

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the WCE, and Gentlebeings
of the Greater Periphery:

Last week, as many of you already know, a small
squadron of WCE and FGZ warships disabled the
stargate in Porkamo System.  There have been many
rumors, accusations, and queries regarding various
aspects of this action, so I have come here tonight to
address those items.  Specifically:

WHY TAKE OUT THE STARGATE?
    When the FGZ-QSN "conflict" first began, it seemed
to be a fairly minor disagreement, one which would
likely be settled through diplomatic channels or, if not,
would involve localized battles between FGZ and QSN
ships and colonies.  While the FGZ-QSN conflict
remained at this level, the WCE had no interest in the
whole affair, and was satisified with remaining entirely
uninvolved.

However, we've all seen this situation worsen over
these past few weeks into something grotesquely out
of proportion with the seriousness of any offense
perceived by either side.  The QSN have been trying
to put together a major warfleet consisting of 50+
ships (or more, of they could get them).  The PFM, too,
have been talking about large invasion fleets, and
about genocide with regards to the Flagritz.

Now, it has been my experience that large warfleets
tend to be used.  So that, even if the initial objective of
these two fleets was to attack the Flagritz, once they
were finished with the FGZ a next likely target might
be WCE territory.  This possiblity becomes even more
ominous when you consider that, just over a year ago,
one such Quman fleet was in orbit over Soul Cage,
trying to balst it into oblivion.  And even more
disconcerting was WCE Intelligence information that
indicated that the PFM warfleet might actually be
headed against a WCE target, and not a FGZ target.

Enter: the SMS stargate.  There's not a government
in the Greater Periphery that would allow two warfleets
of this magnitude to transit their territory, especially if
these warfleets were perceived as potential
aggressors against the government's own
possessions.  The WCE is no different.  If these fleets
are going to enter the Transhole, WCE best interest
demands that they not do so through WCE space.

The WCE finds itself, however, in what appears to
be a singularly unique situation.  It is, so far as I
know, the ONLY governmental affiliation that has
allowed a foreign entity to construct a stargate in its
Sovereignty.  We did, however, agree to the
construction, so that we felt it incumbent upon us to try
to work through the SMS to temporaily deactivate the
Porkamo Stargate.  Such a request was made, and the
SMS response was that they viewed the stargate as
their own property, and that they, alone, would control
who did and did not use it.

This is not the first time the SMS have assumed
this attitude.  When the Qumans attacked Soul Cage,
the SMS stargate was instrumental in getting those
ships into the Transhole.  Therefore, the WCE felt that
a fairly bold statement was needed:  Any stargate in
SMS territory WILL NOT be used as a vehicle for
attacking WCE assets.  Last week that statement was
made.

FUTURE SMS-WCE RELATIONSHIPS:
    The WCE considers this matter closed.  It is not our
desire to make enemies of the SMS, nor is it our
intention to attack any  other SMS assets, either in the
Transhole or in the Periphery.  The WCE will be happy
to repair the stargate, once hostilities have ceased, or
once the SMS agrees to not allow it to be used as a
staging area against WCE assets.

However, it should be noted that certain individuals
within the SMS have threatened to attack all WCE
colonies with neurotoxin.  Because of this threat, and
until the SMS hierarchy can assure us that this will not
occur, all WCE colonies outside the Stellar Empire will
be targetting SMS ships.

WCE-FGZ ALLIANCE:
    The WCE War Secretary mis-spoke when he called
the FGZ our allies.  There is no formal alliance, nor is
there any verbal "understanding" of any type of
mutual defense.  The FGZ had their own, rather
obvious, reasons for wanting the stargate destroyed.
The WCE reasons are those I have just stated.
However, because the attainment of our own goals
involved the same military target, it was decided to
pool our resources for this particular action.

COINCIDENT DAMAGE:
    The fleet did not attack ANY ships; it attacked only
the stargate.  The ONLY affiliation that had even a
quasi-justifiable reason for defending it was the SMS.
Neither the QSN nor the AFT are, in the eyes of the
WCE, justified in protecting something that isn't even
remotely theirs.  Therefore, while the WCE regrets any
loss of life of life over the whole matter, we feel that
the outcome should have been foreseeable by both
non-SMS ships.  So that the starcaptains of those
ships must bear the responsibility of their losses.  In
addition, I ask myself why the AFT, which is prohibited
by charter from participating in any overt military
actions, chose to ignore this charter, and enter on the
side against the WCE, ONCE AGAIN?  The AFT is
supposed to be a non-political organization.  If it
chooses particular political sides, it has to expect to
be treated accordingly.

CONCERNING THE TREYDER FAMILY:
    When I agreed to take the post of General
Secretary, I swore to uphold the safety of the WCE.  I
did not swear to "be nice" to the AFT, nor to allow them
to prevent me from fulfilling my duties to the WCE.
Any allegateions the AFT has against me, personally,
should be directed against me, only, and not against
the WCE in general.  I would love to keep the AFT as
trading partners, but as just that.  The AFT will not play
both sides of the political fence, as far as the WCE is
concerned.

As for Ensign Starr Treyder, he was not sent there
specifically to "murder" any AFTers in the area.  He
was sent there to support the attainment of a very
specific WCE objective.  The fact that an AFT Cutter
chose to attack the WCE, and then change its mind
and try to flee, was not something that Ensign Treyder
could have predicted.

It is with a sad heart that I hear about my nephew,
Wiley, being unjustifiably jailed as a traitor.  Can the
AFT show cause as to why Wiley should be arrested?
I warned Wiley what could happen when he chose to
stay, so that he must bear his own inequities.

At this time, I will take any questions from the
audience, with local or via hyperwave link."

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Date: 06 Mar 95 13:21:45 EST
From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com>
To: "BSE-L@consensus.com" <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Re: Newsflash
Message-ID: <950306182144_76170.2705_CHL83-2@CompuServe.COM>

This partial recording was recently leaked to this reporter;

"Now Mrs Lopez, you're saying that you saw Horst Treyder (coughing forth)
buggering GO GO's in the alien quarter, is that right?"
    "Si, yes that's right."
     "And didn't you also witness Horst Treyder (cf) engaging in acts of
vandalism such as stripping antenna's from ground effect vehicles, spraypainting
vulgar expressions on city property and urinating in doorways? That is your
testimony isn't it?
    "Si, Si my testinony."
     "You've also stated that you witnessed the accused participating in acts of
witchcraft and consorting with demons, isn't that correct?"
    "Si, yes demonia (coughing forth)."
    "Now Mrs Lopez are you willing to testify in court that all of this is
true?"
    "Si."
    "And has anybody paid you to say these things?"
    "...(russeling of paper and muted wispers)...no...no, no, nobody paid me
anything."
    "You're simply comming forth as you're civic duty isn't that right?"
    "Si, cibic duty."

This reporter finds the mounting evidence of Horst Treyder's (coughing
forth) criminal activities a frightening insight into a twisted sycopathic
personality and a clear indication of genetic deficiency.  The sooner the
Treyder (coughing forth) clan is behind bars the better for all humankind.

Walter Cranky
Yadda Press

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 13:43:20 -0400
From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
To: bse-l@consensus.com
Subject: AFT "Trial"
Message-ID: <sf5b1187.018@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>

Talk about a Kangaroo Court!  Can the AFT
prosecutor do anything other than lead the witness?

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:29:10 -0700 (MST)
From: Cojran Michael <cojran@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Cc: Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Re: Address to the Greater Periphery
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950306131346.19075D-100000@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>

By joining the FGZ in its mission to disable the Porkamo stargate, adding
'defend FGZ' to your standing orders, and having it result in the
destruction of one AFT vessel and the dereliction (sp?) of two SMS
vessels, leads me to the conclusion the the WCE are indeed allies with
the FGZ.  Your actions do not speak otherwise.  This is all fine and
dandy, as well as your intention to protect your friends as to the best
of your ability, but to disable a stargate that will POTENTIALLY be used
by a hostile QSN force forseeably entering your airspace......a stargate
controlled by another company....can you not see how this would raise
hostilities?  I may be missing something, but has there been any serious
casualties between the FGZ and the QSN as of yet?
The AFT king Midas was acting on its own, the AFT council had no
knowledge of its intention to participate in the defence of the Porkamo
stargate.  It was an individual action, but since the ship decided to fly
the AFT colors, the AFT has to bear responsibility.  Speaking as the Sgt.
of Arms to the AFT, I can say that we had no ill intent towards the WCE
or the FGZ, and I have yet to recieve an explanation of why the King
Midas was defending a stargate that could potentially be a quite hostile
area between the FGZ and the QSN.  I too would like to consider the WCE a
valuable trading partner in the TS and the periphery, and would
personnaly hope that this incidend does not generate any hostilities
between us, but if any other AFT casualties arise because of
non-communication of WCE-FGZ intent in areas of high travel (porkamo
stargate), there will be more than just the AFT to answer to.

In hopes this does not turn into another QSN-FGZ disagreement,

Zed Thunder
AFT Sgt. at Arms

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 15:48:11 -0400
From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
To: bse-l@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Address to the Greater Periphery -Reply
Message-ID: <sf5b2ec4.063@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>

My Dear Mr. Thunder,

With the disabling of the SMS stargate, the WCE
considers the matter closed.  It harbors no ill feelings
towards the AFT in the matter, and hopes that the AFT
harbors none in return.  The AFT continue to be
allowed access to those WCE markets they might find
profitiable, and are not restricted access (e.g,
non-Odin's Eye Lemke, and Porkette).

I fully understand that the SMS may feel very
strongly towards this action, although I hope this can
be mediated.  The threat, however, was not just
theoretical.  The Qumans have told just about
everyone, myself included, that they planned to move
a huge fleet into the area.  And we've all seen the
apparently rabid postings of the PFM.

The WCE is not interested in fighting a war; we only
want to survive and prosper in our traditional
Transhole systems.  However as you might imagine,
stability and tranquility within the Transhole, in
general, directly affects the stability and tranquility of
the WCE.  And there's no way I can convince myself
that having huge military fleets runnign around
attacking assets is going to be in our best interest.

Secretary Treyder

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 15:32:52 CST
From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
To: BSE Digest <bse-l@consensus.com>
Subject: Oaths
Message-ID: <9503062143.AA24422@consensus.com>

Horst Treyder (coughing forth) states that he took an oath to the WCE to
protect its interests and guard its safety.  What of the oaths you took upon
joining the AFT Horst? (CF)  You never properly bought out those oaths of
allegiance, so we still consider you one of ours and we want you back to answer
for your crimes.  To the other WCE members, can you really trust a leader who
so easily turned his back on an affiliation that trusted him with the highest
level of authority?  What happens when he decides to leave the Trans-Hole area
for brighter horizons, perhaps even stealing valuable data as he did from us?
Will he next end up somewhere in the Draconican Periphery, easing back upon his
 ill gotten gains and laughing heartily at the AFT and the WCE?  I once
considered this man a friend, but now I know that for the safety of those
concerned he should be turned over for trial immediately.

Thomas Payne
                         Research Czar
                         Association of Free Traders

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:55:05 -0500
From: eker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Erik Ker)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: BSE & Changes, A Cadet's Perspective
Message-ID: <199503062150.QAA17262@beauty>

To:       Starcaptians in the Capellan Periphery

From:   Sabra Sapphire
             Cadet, Imperial Space Academy

It is with great interest that I have read the dispatches from the Capellan
Periphery.

As a student of these matters, I have found a few things confusing.  Things
which
I am sure experienced Starcaptians as yourselves will be able to clear up
for me.

What does OCC mean?  I keep seeing this in CP communiques.

Thank you for the recently posted list of Starcaptains and their email
addresses.

I noted earlier last month that someone commented that in a real navy, and
Ensign
would not be in command of a Starship.  Perhaps you have forgotten, but an
Ensign
will not be given command of a tug here in the Inner Empire.  Even in the ISP,
one must be much better than an Ensign to be in command.  Therefore, I and other
Cadets like me dream of a command in the CP.

I look forward to continued reading of your public communiques and eventual
command
of a Starship!

Sabra Sapphire
Cadet, Imperial Space Academy
aka

Erik Ker
eker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 16:09:48 CST
From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: BSE & Changes, A Cadet's Perspective
Message-ID: <9503062211.AA24569@consensus.com>

OOC = Out of Character  : We use it when we're not roleplaying any of our
positions, but speaking as the real life player.

Alan

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:45:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Cojran Michael <cojran@ucsub.colorado.edu>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Cc: Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Re: Address to the Greater Periphery -Reply
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950306163230.20338A-100000@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>

I understand your dilemma Secretary Treyder (cough!), but disabling
stargates also closes off the transhole to everyone else.  The AFT has a
colony in the Transhole.  Are we to be denied access to one of our own
colonies because the WCE/FGZ have disabled all of the stargates entering
the transhole?  I think not.  Many stargates have been attacked lately,
and we did not know how was doing it, so we sent ships to guard some
stargates (our interests) and to learn of who is doing it.  This latest
attack shows us that, at least in this case, the WCE/FGZ were involved.
I will not imply that you had anything to do with the other stargates
being damaged, but this incident alone is enough to raise question.  The
AFT at this moment has business in the transhole, and in light of this
latest attack on stargates, there may be ships posted at whatever
stargates remain IN ORDER TO PROTECT OUR INTERESTS.  No 'attack WCE' or
'attack FGZ' order will be given.  But if any of our ships are fired upon
because we have a 'defend stargate' order up, that may change.  I do
value the WCE as a neutral trade comrade, and I don't question your
alliance with the FGZ during its war, but I think you may be overstepping
your rights to deny access to the transhole for everyone.  Our colony
governor in the transhole is becoming nervous.  This should not be.

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 20:36:54 CST
From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: BSE & Changes, A Cadet's Perspective
Message-ID: <9503062043.S104234888@dallas.relay.ucm.org>

Erik,

"OOC" means "Out Of Character", which explains to the readers that the
comment isn't being spoken by the charater in the game, but by the player
himself.  A player knows much, and learns many things out of character, which
his character may or may not know. HYPOTHETICALLY, if Dave Cromer (player of
WSP race... chosen at random) tells me the player of the location of his
hidden RIP colonies, when he was once a RIP player, I could not use that info
because my character hadn't learned it.  In the same manner, if a player is
making a statement "IC" (In Character), but makes an aside OOC, the OOC can't
be attributed to the character.

Hope that didn't confuse you too much, <g>

S.mathews

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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:56:15 GMT
From: paulmans@tmn.com
To: bse-l@consensus.com
Subject: Re: QSN
Message-ID: <199503070256.CAA19263@purple.tmn.com>

Spoken like a true Imperial warrior!!!!

Sergeant Major

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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:18:16 CST
From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: QSN
Message-ID: <9503070033.S104785549@dallas.relay.ucm.org>

> spoken like a true Imperial warrior!!!!

No, just a random name.  Dave Cromer came to mind cause I remembered that he
used to be RIP once upon a time before he mutated into a bug <g>.  That made
a ready-made hypothetical example, next best would've been using Neil's name.

Steve

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