ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #28

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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 09:33:55 +0000

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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 13:15 MET
From: strategy@kom.auc.dk (Michael O. Akinde)
Subject: Re: Atl2-Pillaging

> I have obtained more such questions, so:
> This is from my June report
> !Glomera (45,6), plain, 760 peasants (nomads), $0.
> !------------------------------------------------------------
> !  Wages: $9.
> !  Wanted: none.
> !  For Sale: 76 nomads at $64, 15 leaders at $128.
> !  Entertainment available: $0.
> !  Products: 20 horses.
> And this from May report:
> !Glomera (45,6), plain, 776 peasants (nomads), $4656.
> !------------------------------------------------------------
> !  Wages: $16.
> !  Wanted: none.
> !  For Sale: 77 nomads at $64, 15 leaders at $128.
> !  Entertainment available: $232.
> !  Products: 20 horses.
>
> One can conclude:
>
> In the short run pillaging is very good strategy - one can earn four times
> more money per character then by taxing. On the other hand, one have to
> move every turn to some new territory. From it follows that alliance with
> economy based on pillaging will be very strong and aggresive. So, once
> there is an pillaging alliance one has three possibilites: pillage also,
> form wide alliance which can four times outnumber the pillagers, or leave
> very far.
> This is the reason of my founding The Pillagers.

So that is why you are founding the Pillagers? And here I thought he was
trying to punish pillagers! Well, well, now we see the true colours of
Grand Muuf and his family.

Ave,

Michael

Squire to Legate Rayelin.
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:56:34 +0100
From: David Maxera <maxera@fzu.cz>
Subject: Re: Atl2-Pillaging: dementi

> > economy based on pillaging will be very strong and aggresive. So, once
> > there is an pillaging alliance one has three possibilites: pillage also,
> > form wide alliance which can four times outnumber the pillagers, or leave
> > very far.
> > This is the reason of my founding The Pillagers.
>
> So that is why you are founding the Pillagers? And here I thought he was
> trying to punish pillagers! Well, well, now we see the true colours of
> Grand Muuf and his family.

I'm founding The Punishers of course. I'm sorry for mistake.
David

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From: "Matthew S. Taylor" <matthew@clark.net>
Subject: Re: Atl2-Pillaging
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:00:20 -0500 (EST)

David Maxera writes:
>
> I have obtained more such questions, so:
>
> This is from my June report
>
> !Glomera (45,6), plain, 760 peasants (nomads), $0.
> !------------------------------------------------------------
> !  Wages: $9.
> !  Wanted: none.
> !  For Sale: 76 nomads at $64, 15 leaders at $128.
> !  Entertainment available: $0.
> !  Products: 20 horses.
>
> And this from May report:
>
>
> !Glomera (45,6), plain, 776 peasants (nomads), $4656.
> !------------------------------------------------------------
> !  Wages: $16.
> !  Wanted: none.
> !  For Sale: 77 nomads at $64, 15 leaders at $128.
> !  Entertainment available: $232.
> !  Products: 20 horses.
>
> One can conclude:
>
> In the short run pillaging is very good strategy - one can earn four times
> more money per character then by taxing. On the other hand, one have to
> move every turn to some new territory. From it follows that alliance with
> economy based on pillaging will be very strong and aggresive. So, once
> there is an pillaging alliance one has three possibilites: pillage also,
> form wide alliance which can four times outnumber the pillagers, or leave
> very far.
> This is the reason of my founding The Pillagers.
>
> Great Muuf and his family (117)
>
Actually there are some other considerations:

1]	How fast does the pillaged area recover?
2]	Units that pillage and move neer get to study, so you will have to
	stop sometime or soon you will face armies that while not a strong
	as you in numbers will have a big quality advantage, perhaps enough
	offset your numbers.
3]	Enimies - you will probably collect the entire set.
4]	Non-Heterogenity of forces.  You will have to recruit on the move
	and take what you can get [Note - yes you can and on occasion will
	pause in a good area and recruit and study]
5]	Not all areas will be of equal value - it may be more than 4 turns
	before you find a good area to pillage.  You will need a large
	cash reserve making you an attractive target for thieves of high
	stealth.

All in all, I would say the jury is still out.

--
Matthew Taylor

matthew@clark.net

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From: Paul Meisner <Paul.Meisner@egc.ericsson.se>
Subject: Atlantis - 'Bug Fix'
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 12:57:00 PST

In his message, John Bollinger writes

>I just read that Geoff has "fixed" the "bug" that units with swords but no
>combat skill could not tax.  Perhaps this discussion belongs on the design
>list, but I'm not a member of that one, so here it goes:

>This change eliminates one of the main advantages of training non-leader
>units in combat, instead of some other skill, for generic and war trade
>factions.  If I can give my herbalists the ability to tax, in addition
>to an effective combat skill of 2, just by buying them swords, then why
>shouldn't all of my units be herbalists? Or lumberjacks?  Or construction
>workers?  This goes double for weaponsmiths, who can make their own swords.
>Sure, combat-trained units would be _better_ in a fight, but they now lack
>any other raison d'etre, at least for some faction types.

I agree  with John's assessment.  I think that there is already a certain
slant towards war factions in the game.   Perhaps this is just a little too
much.

Paul Meisner
paul.meisner@egc.ericsson.se
Faction 343
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From: Brian Plauborg Tobiasen <gc938748@gbar.dtu.dk>
Subject: ATLANTIS-Faction 322 mix-up
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:11:55 +0100 (MET)

I accidentially sent my orders with your faction nr. You should send a
new batch of orders just to make sure they're ok.

Faction 312

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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:46:10 GMT
From: Stretch@cityscape.co.uk (Matt Dunne)
Subject: Stop whinging about pilagers.

What is this winging about pilaging.

Basically shut up, pilaging in going to happen, forget about it.

If someone tries to do it on your patch, kick their arse.

If it's not on your patch, what you bothered about.

Cheers,

Matt Dunne.

stretch@cityscape.co.uk

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"and no disintergration"

"asteroids don't concern me admiral"

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From: Geoff Dunbar <atlantis@rahul.net>
Subject: Atlantis 2.0: atl-players list
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 95 21:57:04 -0800

This is a weekly posting for the atl-players mailing list. This list
is meant for all players in the Atlantis 2.0. Mail sent to this list
should be appropriate for all players of Atlantis 2.0. Rules questions
should probably be sent to the moderator (atlantis@rahul.net), he can
then forward the question and answer to the list. Role-playing is
appropriate, but faction-to-faction email should not be sent to the
list.

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Please include the word 'Atlantis' in your Subject line, so the other
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Atlantis 2.0.

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From: Mike Blaser <mab@kcc.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 11:45:30 GMT
Subject: ATLANTIS Mapping program

Greetings

Can someone send me a uuencoded copy of the Atlantean Enquirer's
mapping program from the FTP site.

Cheers

Mike

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From: Mike Blaser <mab@kcc.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 12:58:40 GMT
Subject: ATLANTIS Sledmere-A-No-Go

Greetings all

It is strongly recommended that all new players steer well clear of
Sledmere for the forseable future.  So far we have had three months
of winter with at least another one to come.  At a guess our
longitude means that we have longer winters than everyone else.  As a
result of the inclement weather we have been unable to move now for
three months with no respite in view.  If you fancy being stuck in a
city with two hundred other characters though, then snowy Sledmere is
the place for you.

Cheers

Mike

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From: Brian Plauborg Tobiasen <gc938748@gbar.dtu.dk>
Subject: Atlantis-Starting Areas???
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:07:53 +0100 (MET)

The Moic-Tarra Ne Dreubhan a new faction based in Atlantic City,
seeks short descriptions of the gate-cities and their surroundings.
What I really want is descriptions of survival-probability for new
factions, for example komarken sounds pretty rough....

Targ-Arun(glorius high leader)
				Moic-Tarra Ne Dreubhan

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From: terstu@sun.cc.westga.edu (Tracy Rowell)
Subject: Report problems
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:53:33 -0500 (EST)

To anyone who can help,
	I am new to the game, and I an having problems.  My last report
was not processed.  Why not

Sincerly,
						Faction 296
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 19:49:16 +0000 (GMT)
From: "J.M. Kent" <J.M.Kent@newcastle.ac.uk>
Subject: Corrupted report

My report didn't come through, well only half of it, and my times
didn't arrive at all, can you repost it please.

James

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 19:50:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: Damian Penney <Damian.Penney@newcastle.ac.uk>
Subject: No Times

Did anybody else not receive the times this turn ?

Quirinus - MIBS

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Subject: Report problems Fact 296
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 18:00:40 -0800
From: Anson Winsor <apwinsor@span.CS.UNLV.EDU>

It would help for you to send a copy of your turn for us to look at
then we can comment on what might be wrong.
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:50:48 GMT
From: Stretch@cityscape.co.uk (Matt Dunne)
Subject: TIMES 130

THE DROW ARE COMMING???

Recent reports wild indicate that the Drow, infamous dark elves are prowling
the surface world.  There have been two sightings in the city of atlantis to
date.  Eye witnesses said they saw a short(about 5'3") humanoid with white
hair and ebon skin.  The alleged Drow was dress in a hooded cloak and
quickly disapeared into the shadows.

If these rumours are true the city and indeed the world of atlantis could be
in for torid times, if the Drow's history is anything to go by.

Fair citizens of Atlantis beware, "the drow are comming".

Cheers,

Matt Dunne.

stretch@cityscape.co.uk

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"and no disintergration"

"asteroids don't concern me admiral"