BSE-L Digest 52

From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 18:49:41 +0000

Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:10:27 PST
Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List  <BSE-L@consensus.com>

BSE-L Digest 52

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: BSE History
	by PEllisCaz@aol.com
  2) Spring Break
	by philip.breault@com2bbs.com (Philip Breault)
  3) A Hit
	by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
  4) A Hit
	by steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
  5) Colony MB & MS order
	by Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com>
  6)  RE: For Sale: Sleek New Myrships
	by Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com>
  7) unsubscribe
	by AdmParker@aol.com
  8) Re: Sheep
	by RFN2@aol.com
  9) Re: BSE History
	by RFN2@aol.com
 10) Huh?
	by "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
 11) Re: A Hit
	by Cojran Michael <cojran@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
 12) Re: BSE History
	by Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
 13) Subscribing
	by ziemer@mcs.com (Eric R. Ziemer)
 14) Re: Subscribing
	by rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs)
 15) Additional Address
	by Wayne Alexander <71470.344@compuserve.com>
 16) UNSUBSCRIBE BSE-L
	by ziemer@mcs.com (Eric R. Ziemer)
 17) Re: For Sale: Sleek New Myrships
	by PROTHORAX@aol.com
 18) Re: Additional Address
	by PROTHORAX@aol.com
 19) Re: Subscribing
	by Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com>
 20) Re: Subscribing
	by rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs)
 21) colony to ship xfers
	by Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com>
 22) Re-transmission
	by eker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Erik Ker)
 23) BSE History
	by StephMarte@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 20:52:29 -0500
From: PEllisCaz@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: BSE History
Message-ID: <950314205206_49661749@aol.com>

ALL,

I believe Paul Sinatra does not have email. You will have to contact him by
mail or phone.  I posted the the same message on the RTG BB so if you lost
his address check there.

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 19:46:00 -0800
From: philip.breault@com2bbs.com (Philip Breault)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Spring Break
Message-ID: <aa.12371.200@com2bbs.com>

Don Guido,

Sure, I'll come along for the ride, if you don't mind an out-of-work
reporter tagging along.

Harold Hedd
(left behind by the EEM Pull My Finger)

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 22:05:01 CST
From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: A Hit
Message-ID: <9503142220.S123255757@dallas.relay.ucm.org>

OOC:

In regards to my current running joke about our "friends" <cough, cough> in
cohoes, some folks thought it a funny idea to carry it one step further with
the apprehension & arrest... and trial of our former GM.  we can carry out
the trial here (court TV?).  Anyone want to volunteer to be defense attorney
and judge?  I think several "prosecutors" from each affiliation screwed by
him is appropriate, with all of us here acting as jury.  I'll donate one of
my "prisoners" stockpiled to represent him, and build a prison ship.  For
in-char. play, IND Allipon is the most appropriate spot so all affil., even
RIP & FOE can attend. <g>  Remarks?

S.Mathews

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 22:16:41 CST
From: steve668@dallas.relay.ucm.org
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: A Hit
Message-ID: <9503142235.S123288165@dallas.relay.ucm.org>

Harry & Don Guido,

Former members of the company whose name can't be spoken, Liz & Marti,
realized the error of their ways and left that evil company. They were issued
an Imperial Pardon for their past association.  I understand that Marti still
undergoes periods of self-loathing for her personal relationship with
"fat-boy".

von Ludendorf

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Date: 15 Mar 95 00:12:30 EST
From: Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com>
To: BSE LIST <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Colony MB & MS order
Message-ID: <950315051230_75477.1627_GHJ176-1@CompuServe.COM>

Another suggestion concerning colonies:

I would like to see the MB and MS order handled a little differently.
If I understand it correctly (including what others have told me),
whenever the order is used, the quantity on the order becomes the
quantity on the market.  In other words, if I issue a MB 1 5000 10
that means that regardless of whether or not I already had item 1 for
buy, the quantity gets changed to 5000.  The drawback is that the time
between when the market is printed for the colony governor and the
governor submits orders can have changes if the market is active
(i.e., I had 10000 colonists to buy, decide I only want 5000, but between
when I get the printout and send the order change, someone just sold me
10000 colonists.  I would be effectively asking for 15000 colonists -
definately NOT what I wanted).

Possible solution -
If a person wants to just increase the amount to buy or sell, put a
'+' in front of the quantity.  The quantity is then added to whatever
value is in the market at time of run.
If to subtract, put in a '-'.  Same rules as above.
If to change it entirely, no sign in front of quantity.  Would be the same
result as it is under the current system.

One more problem - price changing without affecting the unknown quantity.
So - when changing the price but not quantity, put a '0' (zero) in for
quantity with the new price in the appropriate position.  If the price is
also '0', then this is a remove just like now.

Comments?

Shazz

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Date: 15 Mar 95 00:14:25 EST
From: Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com>
To: BSE LIST <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject:  RE: For Sale: Sleek New Myrships
Message-ID: <950315051424_75477.1627_GHJ176-3@CompuServe.COM>

JANUS PROTHORAX

In response to your request for information concerning the Myrship sale
offer - the Myrship is the most evenly balanced design known with a
configuration of 10 command hulls, 10 main hulls, and 10 engine hulls
and a lifetime warranty from defects.  One of the advantages is that our
ships are designed to hold 100 mass units per hull giving the Myrship an
effective size of 50-50-50, but without the costly construction materials
nor the necessity to have a large crew complement.  If the materials for
construction are brought in, the pricing I have provided basically gives
you the right to increase your capacity by 5 times normal with this one
ship design.

I have seen the recent pricing structure release from the EEM, and
other than that they state they have lowered their prices, I am not
familiar enough with the new pricing structure to know whether or not
the prices have been well thought out by Stew Krieger and his staff.

Speaker Silver Cascade

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 00:46:55 -0500
From: AdmParker@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: unsubscribe
Message-ID: <950315004654_49937369@aol.com>

I'd like to unsubscribe to this mailing list.  Thank you,

Adam Parker

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 01:02:41 -0500
From: RFN2@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Sheep
Message-ID: <950315010241_49949393@aol.com>

Yes, Don Guido, what all FET Ensigns are taught in boot Camp IS true...."two
of iron, one of steel"

Blackjack

Acting FET PD

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 01:29:22 -0500
From: RFN2@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: BSE History
Message-ID: <950315012921_49967918@aol.com>

I'd also be interested in getting a pre88 history, perhaps all the PD's can
get one and distribute to their membership for update?

Rob Neal
67 Ledyard Road
West Hartford, CT  06117

rfn2@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:32:44 EST
From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
To: bse-l@consensus.com
Subject: Huh?
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.950315123244.352@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>

Hey, what happened to todays digest?

Jason Goff
11 Avalon way
Riverdale, GA 30274
404-478-0945
JGOF4P1@S1.CSC.PEACHNET.EDU

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:16:39 -0700 (MST)
From: Cojran Michael <cojran@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Cc: Beyond the Stellar Empire Discussion List <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Re: A Hit
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950315151529.25479D-100000@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>

"prosecutors from each AFF that he screwed?  You will have hundreds
lining up for that job!

Red Savage
AFT Merchant at large

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 17:06:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: BSE History
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9503151743.A1703-0100000@pentagon.io.com>

On Tue, 14 Mar 1995 PEllisCaz@aol.com wrote:

> I believe Paul Sinatra does not have email. You will have to contact him by
> mail or phone.  I posted the the same message on the RTG BB so if you lost
> his address check there.
>

Paul can be reached via email at 76510.2760@compuserve.com.

Kerry

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:14:21 -0600
From: ziemer@mcs.com (Eric R. Ziemer)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Subscribing
Message-ID: <v01510103ab8d32ddcbc7@[199.3.42.66]>

It seems that just about every time I try to send a message to the List,
I get a return message that I'm not subscribed to BSE-L, and telling me
what to do to subscribe.  On the other hand, yesterday I got duplicates of
about a third of the list messages.  Considering the volume on this list, I
can't afford to mess with this much longer.  Can anyone tell me what I have
to do to be  able to use this list the way it should be used?

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 16:44:43 -0800
From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Subscribing
Message-ID: <v01510100ab8d375a1bf3@[192.65.129.70]>

>  It seems that just about every time I try to send a message to the List,
>I get a return message that I'm not subscribed to BSE-L, and telling me
>what to do to subscribe.  On the other hand, yesterday I got duplicates of
>about a third of the list messages.  Considering the volume on this list, I
>can't afford to mess with this much longer.  Can anyone tell me what I have
>to do to be  able to use this list the way it should be used?

All I can tell you is that about a month ago, I suddenly was told that I
needed to subscribe to the list.  Things had been working fine up until
then when <it> suddenly decided that I didn't exist.  I was still getting
messages, I just couldn't send them.  So, I (re-)subscribed to the list and
everything has worked fine since then.

I can't help you with the duplicate messages.

Did you know that Kerry posts a digest of the list at rec.games.pbm?
(Kerry, correct me if I'm wrong.)

--Russ

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Date: 15 Mar 95 19:51:18 EST
From: Wayne Alexander <71470.344@compuserve.com>
To: BSE Digest <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: Additional Address
Message-ID: <950316005117_71470.344_EHB183-1@CompuServe.COM>

TO:  Everybody on this list
FM:  Wayne Alexander
Re:  Additional email address

I just got logged into a local Internet server.  I'd appreciate if
someone/anyone would send me a msg of any kind to that address:

wayne.alexander@linxinc.com

If that proves successful I may switch over from CIS.  I'm moving
to AOL as soon as their software arrives and I figure it out.

Thank you.

Wayne

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:03:31 -0600
From: ziemer@mcs.com (Eric R. Ziemer)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE BSE-L
Message-ID: <v01510100ab8d3e8a92cb@[199.3.42.66]>

And now all of a sudden out of the blue I get this unsubscribe notice
from the list admin.  Is something screwy or did cohoes take over list
admin here/  ;-)

>Status:
>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 16:59:14 PST
>Reply-To: ListProc@consensus.com
>Sender: ListProc@consensus.com
>From: Consensus Development ListProcessor <ListProc@consensus.com>
>To: ziemer@mcs.net
>Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE BSE-L
>
>Dear user,
>
>your request
>
>                        UNSUBSCRIBE BSE-L
>
>has been successfully processed.
>
>You have been removed from list BSE-L (BSE-L@consensus.com).
>Thank you for being with us.
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:00:00 -0500
From: PROTHORAX@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: For Sale: Sleek New Myrships
Message-ID: <950315205958_50802439@aol.com>

Greetings MYR creature,
 Our instectiod drone crew are now looking at the possible
uses of your ship design. If possible please forward a private
E-mail message of your offer for barter/stellar deal and the
requirement asked for.

JANUS PROTHORAX

PROTHORAX@AOL.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 21:00:03 -0500
From: PROTHORAX@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Additional Address
Message-ID: <950315210002_50802511@aol.com>

(ooc) AOL !! :)

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:03:53 -0800
From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com>
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Subscribing
Message-ID: <v0212061cab8d48e3ca21@[198.68.251.11]>

At 4:44 PM 3/15/95, Russ Boggs wrote re "Re: Subscribing":
>> It seems that just about every time I try to send a message to the List,
>>I get a return message that I'm not subscribed to BSE-L, and telling me
>>what to do to subscribe.  On the other hand, yesterday I got duplicates of
>>about a third of the list messages.  Considering the volume on this list, I
>>can't afford to mess with this much longer.  Can anyone tell me what I have
>>to do to be  able to use this list the way it should be used?
>
>All I can tell you is that about a month ago, I suddenly was told that I
>needed to subscribe to the list.  Things had been working fine up until
>then when <it> suddenly decided that I didn't exist.  I was still getting
>messages, I just couldn't send them.  So, I (re-)subscribed to the list and
>everything has worked fine since then.
>
>I can't help you with the duplicate messages.
>
>Did you know that Kerry posts a digest of the list at rec.games.pbm?
>(Kerry, correct me if I'm wrong.)

What was at issue with Eric was that he was sending mail as @mcs.com, but
he was subscribed as @mcs.net -- and all of the mail to @mcs.net was being
forwarded to @mcs.com. I suspect that is similar to what happened to you
previously Russ.

This actually been a pretty common problem -- if you are receiving two
copies of the list, you may have somehow been subscribed twice. When we
changed from Kerry's list at io.com to my server a couple of months ago it
may have caused some of these initial double subscriptions.

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... GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656)               SF, CA 94114-3615 ..
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:48:43 -0800
From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re: Subscribing
Message-ID: <v01510101ab8d56ad76c2@[192.65.129.70]>

>>All I can tell you is that about a month ago, I suddenly was told that I
>>needed to subscribe to the list.  Things had been working fine up until
>>then when <it> suddenly decided that I didn't exist.  I was still getting
>>messages, I just couldn't send them.  So, I (re-)subscribed to the list and
>>everything has worked fine since then.
>
>What was at issue with Eric was that he was sending mail as @mcs.com, but
>he was subscribed as @mcs.net -- and all of the mail to @mcs.net was being
>forwarded to @mcs.com. I suspect that is similar to what happened to you
>previously Russ.

In my case, I'm pretty sure it was a complication at my end from switching
mail programs at work (where I have access).  Empirically, it was corrected
by re-subscribing, so I immediately quit worrying about the theory (g).

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Date: 15 Mar 95 22:31:51 EST
From: Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com>
To: BSE LIST <BSE-L@consensus.com>
Subject: colony to ship xfers
Message-ID: <950316033150_75477.1627_GHJ195-5@CompuServe.COM>

Another order I would like to see for colonies is the ability to transfer
items to any section in the ship - assuming the section takes the items.

Comments?

Shazz

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 23:14:54 -0500
From: eker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Erik Ker)
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: Re-transmission
Message-ID: <199503160410.XAA27060@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

It seems that the Communications students were having a party.
They missed the incoming digest of CP transmissions and
substituted a week old digest in hopes that no one would notice.

I and other alert senior cadets did and alerted our superiors.  It
remains to be seen if these dishonorable cadets will be drummed
out of the Academy or merely have demerits added to their records.

Sabra Sapphire
Cadet, Imperial Space Academy
aka

Erik Ker
eker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 00:56:42 -0500
From: StephMarte@aol.com
To: BSE-L@consensus.com
Subject: BSE History
Message-ID: <950316005641_51065619@aol.com>

Blackjack Morgan,

You can purchase a hardcopy of The History
Of The Capellan Periphery (Vol. I) from the
KriegerPress for $5.  It is approx 65 pages.
    Or, if you can read Word For Windows I would
be happy to mail you a 3.5" disk, and you can
distribute it among your FET pilots as you see
fit.
   Regards,
      Sir Arthur Curry

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