BSE Digest v195 #141 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Friday, 14 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 141 In this issue: + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities -Reply + Re: BSE: The DTR question? + Re: BSE: BSE Support Group + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + Re: BSE: Trinkets (BOUNCED MESSAGE) + BSE: Warning shots + BSE: Wasp Repellant + Re: BSE: Wasp Repellant + BSE: Werthless news See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities -Reply On Fri, 14 Apr 1995 pkrauskopf@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL wrote: > Why should the WCE notify anyone about their intentions in their own > territory? The SMS were asked to deactivate the stargate and did not. > Period. > > WCE policy is to protect WCE interests, in any way she sees fit. > > Lord Secretary Treyder > > Hail Dread Sovereign! Lord Treyder, The WCE is welcome to defend its assets in whatever manner it sees fit as others may do the same. The question then becomes is the WCE trying to reduce or increase tensions in the TH. We did inform the WCE of our intentions to exact revenge on the FGZ. We also asked the WCE whether they would protect FGZ interests in WCE space. Your answer was no. If Sir Arthur Curry's post was accurate, then the WCE misinformed us. The WCE was not obligated to inform us of the attack. But by not doing so, tensions in the TH were increased and the legitimacy of the WCE was undermined as at least two affliations were caught unaware and suffered the consequences. The ability to use force to enforce obedience is not legitimacy but force. A study of your Earth history should show that legitimacy involves being able to order someone to do something and them complying without having to use force. That is what allows a government like the Stellar Empire to survive for as long as it has. While I understand the WCE is a new government that needs to learn lessons for rulership, it is a lesson you should learn quickly. As for the non-agression pact, if one does not exist, does that mean our two affliations are still in a state of war technically? We have not posted WCE postions for quite a while now and have no desire to do so. I would recommend you decide what WCE policy on the matter is and get back to me. Lord Anton Qutroh Minister of Propaganda ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 13:36:16 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE: The DTR question? OOC Wait a minute. When we were discussing a re-start, wasn't someone complaining about the loss of the glorious History of the Periphery? And now I see that the former headquarters colony of a powerful and strictly law-abiding affiliation was sold to a bunch of people who used to be in rebellion against the Empire. DTR Bome??????? I've heard of strange bedfellows, but this is gonna make Ripley's Believe It Or Not. Then there's QSN Viking?? What's next? RIP Jax? ------------------------------ From: chazz@cais.cais.com (Charles Meredith) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 16:33:46 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE Support Group > Years ago, my girlfriend used hide my mail whenever >she was peeved with me. She found the sight of me destroying >the house looking for turnsheets delightful. My initial solution was to get my turns at my work address. Joan could not intercept them because she did not have a clearance to get into the building. (One of the few times I like having a clearance....) ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities On Fri, 14 Apr 1995 HarryFlash@aol.com wrote: > Jack, > > Actually, Comte does call up the QSN for marching orders! According to > Werth Intelligence Corp, under the terms of the QSN/SMS Alliance the SMS is > the definitely the junior partner. Indeed, under the terms of the alliance > all SMS personnel must spend at least six months of service at a QSN colony, > wearing a yellow sheep skin and going around on all fours bleating "Baaaaa! > What is the biding of my Quman Overlord". Disgusting to be sure, but not at > all surprising considering the girlie-boy scum that now makes up the once > proud SMS. Very sad indeed. > > Regards, > > Harry > OOC As a former SMS then MOR player, I find this very insulting. The old SMS and what I can see of the new SMS would not and does not belong in a junior partnership with anyone. Your jealousy of QSN growth is apparent. Your hostilty to both the SMS and QSN is strange. Shouldn't you be annoyed at those who controlled and attack Werth during your "absense." I speculate that your anti-SMS attitude must be because of some secret ties to the RIP whose anti-RIP actions are apparent. Your recent hostile comments about the QSN conviently comes after an unidentifed RIP Corsair (a dumb move btw. use a smaller ship next time) was destroyed by the QSN trying to destroy our stargate. Richard ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Trinkets (BOUNCED MESSAGE) On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, Patrick McLaughlin wrote: > > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 05:34:39 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> > > Subject: Trinkets > > > > OOC > > > I find the attitude of some of the commentors on this subject very > > hypocritical. I think most of the affliations (companies and IMP's > > aside) were built with gifts from the GMs or raiding of assets that > > should never have happened if true role playing had occured. I respect > > affliations like the SAM who if my understanding was correct were given > > very little and built up most of their assets on their own. Other > > affliations not to be named were often given colonies by players who > > promptly exited their old affliation to join the new. > > Can't speak for most affiliations, but one of the things that has drawn > me back to even paying attention to BSE is the remaining pride I take in > having been part of the WCE in the early years. I know for fact that we > were given *nothing* by anyone, and that the WCE built up to be what it > was when I left (much less what it has become) is something that several > ex-players are quite proud of (and justifiably, I think). I completely agree with you that the old WCE accomplishments were impressive. Even though the USS suffered a bit after the defection, the WCE players were the ones who built those assets for the USS in the Transhole in the first place. My criticism is largely directed to those who do not understand how the QSN grew and talk from some high horse when most of them did something similar to what we are accused of or inherited their positions. > Looking over _real_ history, I can show you many examples of colonial > powers raiding each other and grabbing assets in one fashion or another > when they could, particularly when someone else was down, or weak > internally. I don't know what's gone on in BSE (though I can guess, > having heard a great deal about its formerly moribund state), but it > should come as no shock that players and powers grab things that are left > sitting around, untended. I think that is okay. What isn't okay is to transfer assets to a new affliation and then join that affliation. It is something that will always happen but it violates some basic tenets of roleplay (although it could be argued that BSE is a game for power players). > > > I started playing BSE in high school and admired many of the players I > > see on the list today. Now in graduate school and on the list and seeing > > many of the petty attacks, I have lost respect for many of them. Many of > > the useless innuendos etc are just a plain waste of bandwidth. Now I > > participate in the nonsense by responding to it as I don't have the > > patience to listen the the BS. But if you notice carefully I hardly ever > > initate a trivial post. I would recommend you do the same. The governor > > of Werth wastes bandwidth on announcing some Quman game that started a > > lot of this thread. It was a petty attack and a total waste of > > bandwidth. > > Richard, many of these people have long histories sniping at each other; > even if friendly, personal animosities and competitions do exist, and are > a feature of any game (and are also parallel to such attitudes in real > history). This is true. But I reentered the game relatively unencumbered and find it shocking the amount of space wasted on meaningless swipes. If you need to comment to someone, do it in private, unless it is really funny (which most of them are not) Richard ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 14:37:59 -0700 Subject: BSE: Warning shots *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:56:36 -0800 Subject: BSE: warning shot >>2. Firing a 'warning shot' at a merchant ship entering orbit (enough >to do >minimal damage, not enough to terminate the ship). The >>warning shot<< idea has to deal with a fleet of harmless merchants (i.e., attack transports) coming into orbit over a colony and fleeing in terror at the sight of the warning shot . . . . . right to the colony's starport, where they off-load a few divisions and storm inside. Or if not the starport, then one sector outside the colony. It's a nice idea, but I can't figure out how you could prevent abuse. - - --Russ *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** If you were afraid of that, you should have 'blow-em-up' orders on the ship or its affiliation. This is more for "you are a merchant ship of an affiliation at war with my allies .. begone thou foul vermin, or suffer the consequences". It's one up from "You are a merchant ship of an affiliation unfriendly to my allies .. you are forbidden access to my markets". Both of these enhance the current "eat death, attacking unarmed merchant" response which is perhaps more than is needed in some instances. So the colony owner would use it in those instances when he/she felt it wouldn't be abused. If this was an error .. than as in all other actions, the perpretrator would suffer the consequences. Ronk ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 16:44:22 -0700 Subject: BSE: Wasp Repellant >>From: PROTHORAX@aol.com >>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:25:32 -0400 >>Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... >> >>The QSN a merchant race?! Ba! Pond scum, I say Pond scum! Serious charges indeed from a race of beings who study pond scum as a means of helping to locate the fecal matter on which they must feed. However it is just possible that the term 'pond scum' is being used here in the sense that a more civilized being would say "bah" or perhaps "balderdash". Perhaps the messages will become clearer as they unfold. Wait .. another totally unjustified race-baiting message is coming in .. >>From: PROTHORAX@aol.com >>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 22:22:55 -0400 >>Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... >> >>Pond scum...........we need to find out if they have web hands? This would >>prove they have spend to much time in the pond vs the more advanced creatures >>of the universe. Our scientic community believe being in a pond for a couple >>million human years will give you pond scum of the brain disorder. Some call >>it TOAD DISORDER for short. Wow!! Yet another wonderful oxymoron: "Wasp Scientific community". XLATOR NOTE: other beings should translate "being in a pond for a couple million human years" as "having members of one's race take a bath occasionally", which is a concept obviously completely foreign to a Wasp. In fact, given recent events it would appear that the PROTHORAX thing and company suffer from a similarly named disease, "TOADY DISORDER" where they spend their time hovering around the leavings from the FGZ platter, buzzing their thanks. Perhaps oh annoying thing, you could consider limiting your future replies to the stated facts of any dispute you might have with the QSN? Semi-respectfully, Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Blue Whale MerchantPerson ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 20:09:22 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Wasp Repellant Nicholas Van Rijn: This is now the second time you have envoked the Honorable Flagritz name in a less than respectful manner. Obviously Quooman parents do not bring their (what?) "kids" up to respect their betters. Perhaps we should go ahead and release our newest "pride" ...The FGZ Blue Whaler? Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:11:41 -0700 Subject: BSE: Werthless news >> Actually, Comte does call up the QSN for marching orders! According to >>Werth Intelligence Corp, under the terms of the QSN/SMS Alliance the SMS is >>the definitely the junior partner. Indeed, under the terms of the alliance >>all SMS personnel must spend at least six months of service at a QSN colony, >>wearing a yellow sheep skin and going around on all fours bleating "Baaaaa! >> What is the biding of my Quman Overlord". Disgusting to be sure, but not at >>all surprising considering the girlie-boy scum that now makes up the once >>proud SMS. Very sad indeed. >> >>Regards, >> >>Harry >> Egads!! Gives one pause to realize that Sir Harry heads the DIPLOMATIC SERVICE of IND WERTH. One can only imagine what the candidates who lost out on this honor must have been like!! Perhaps they went into (haw haw .. this next expression is a sure laugh getter wherever intelligent beings gather) the "Werth Intelligence Corp". But ... maybe I am misjudging Sir Hairy. After reading subintelligence reports of this type for years, it may be only natural that he has descended into slobbering inertia in front of his computer screen, playing Qtip IV or some such game, and occasionally posting racial slurs (and now sexual innuendos) to the remnants of his former wide association of friends, who put up with it perhaps for the memory of better days. Such are the dangers of the overabuse of pleasure sheep. This should be a sobering warning to us all. Has the USS considered a warning label of some kind? Respectfully, Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Blue Whale MerchantPerson ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #141 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". 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