BSE Digest v195 #140 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Friday, 14 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 140 In this issue: + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + BSE: QSN, Traders...or Traitors? + Re: BSE: The DTR question? + Re: BSE: Trinkets (BOUNCED ME... + Re: BSE: DTR Space, Revisited & Clarified + BSE: Re: Werth Intelligence Corp (WIC) <Haw haw haw> + Re: BSE: Trinkets (BOUNCED MESSAGE) + BSE: Stay in character + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + Re: BSE: QSN, Traders...or Traitors? + Re: BSE: The DTR question? + Re: BSE: Trinkets (BOUNCED ME... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:48:41 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities Jack, Actually, Comte does call up the QSN for marching orders! According to Werth Intelligence Corp, under the terms of the QSN/SMS Alliance the SMS is the definitely the junior partner. Indeed, under the terms of the alliance all SMS personnel must spend at least six months of service at a QSN colony, wearing a yellow sheep skin and going around on all fours bleating "Baaaaa! What is the biding of my Quman Overlord". Disgusting to be sure, but not at all surprising considering the girlie-boy scum that now makes up the once proud SMS. Very sad indeed. Regards, Harry ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:53:06 -0400 Subject: BSE: QSN, Traders...or Traitors? < Ask our trading partners and see if we are more than fair in our dealings.> I don't want to "clutter" the List with arguments. But I will say this... Would anyone like to hear what "deal" the QSN offered me as a "treaty"?<chuckle> Let's ask your "trading partners" how the QSN have paid there debts... Your "offering" SoL to players who want to run IND against the FGZ...and yet at the same time, I know of two AFFs that the QSN still owe *a lot* of hulls to! So, instead of "paying" your debts, your giving stuff out to get more people involved in your little "war"... Sounds like a great way to do business for the QSN... Also, it's none of my business...but I'd wager neither the PJG or SAM got *squat* from the QSN for the CCs... Other than maybe the QSN's "good intentions"...<g> Any "partners" want to take me up on this??? Thought not. Bests- J. P.S. I'll stop...I just can't help myself when there is soooo much "cannon fodder" out there to play with!!<g> ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:03:43 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: The DTR question? TO: The GTT More than trinkets??? Did our little yellow friends throw in a few of their SMS "pleasure sheep" to close the "deal"? Was it 40 strings of bead and V. McCabe in a sheep's suit that purchased a large, powerful colony? Harry Flashman Lord Protector of IND Werth ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:04:51 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Trinkets (BOUNCED ME... Richard: It's like Howard Stren...If you don't like it...turn OFF the radio. Some people have asked us to stop...I honestly try to uphold their requests. Some, in the past have asked for more information. As long as you keep your "bander" private, I will respond in kind. Put BS(e) on the list publically, (ie. this BS about the two SoLs not being player run, that the GMs "magically" moved them) and I'll respond publically. Again, my sincere apoligies for those who have grow weary of this. (and I happened to have enjoyed Harry's posts! You didn't because the QSN were the "subject" of them...I mean, who gives a Qoomans butt about the colonies in Drill going class 8? How did the "list" benefit from that?) Bests- Jack ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:32:09 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE: DTR Space, Revisited & Clarified Stefan Carlson, Please, if you're going to accuse someone of being unable to spell, make sure you check your own letter for misspellings. For example: >To: Mikel Lloyd, AFT Negociator and > You sould know that some RIP player >has been using your name on-line to and, perhaps the best of all > Obviously, the wse of a spellchecker >program is not high on your list of Or is it just my EMail program which has introduced typographical errors? - --Russ ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:31:05 -0700 Subject: BSE: Re: Werth Intelligence Corp (WIC) <Haw haw haw> >>From: HarryFlash@aol.com >>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 21:04:32 -0400 >>Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... >> >>Dear Capt. Scragg >> >> The Werth Intelligence Corp (WIC) thinks the QSN has a secret alliance >>with the SMS. There is a rumor floating around that they are allied with the >>FOE, but we have no hard evidence of that. >> >>Regards, >> >>Harry My Dear Sir Harry and any unfortunate recipients of his previous messages, Having just emerged from a 20 TU jump, I find the subspace ether filled with much anti-QSN slander, some of which is 'werth' replying to, some not. However in considering the probable veracity of the information provided by the WIC, I want all original recipients to check with their Webster's Dictionary, Periphery Edition. Look up the term 'oxymoron'. Note that example #4 is "IND Werth Intelligence Corp". Allied with the FOE indeed!! This is another baseless accusation and vile canard. Sir Harry appears content to serve as simply a low-payed mouthpiece for the FGZ. It is my hope that we can negotiate his grievances with the QSN (which appear at least in part to be racially motivated .. my breathren have not forgot the 'urine colored' smear in a previous posting) which cause him to walk this twisted road. What aside from 'annoying him with our attitude' can justify his constant hostility? Sincerely, Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Blue Whale MerchantPerson ------------------------------ From: Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@cts.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Trinkets (BOUNCED MESSAGE) > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 05:34:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Trinkets > > OOC > I find the attitude of some of the commentors on this subject very > hypocritical. I think most of the affliations (companies and IMP's > aside) were built with gifts from the GMs or raiding of assets that > should never have happened if true role playing had occured. I respect > affliations like the SAM who if my understanding was correct were given > very little and built up most of their assets on their own. Other > affliations not to be named were often given colonies by players who > promptly exited their old affliation to join the new. Can't speak for most affiliations, but one of the things that has drawn me back to even paying attention to BSE is the remaining pride I take in having been part of the WCE in the early years. I know for fact that we were given *nothing* by anyone, and that the WCE built up to be what it was when I left (much less what it has become) is something that several ex-players are quite proud of (and justifiably, I think). No sneer or disrespect for anyone else's accomplishments. The game was bootstrapped on some large initial assets given to the original companies, and that was necessary to get things going. Looking over _real_ history, I can show you many examples of colonial powers raiding each other and grabbing assets in one fashion or another when they could, particularly when someone else was down, or weak internally. I don't know what's gone on in BSE (though I can guess, having heard a great deal about its formerly moribund state), but it should come as no shock that players and powers grab things that are left sitting around, untended. If that's a violation of basic roleplay, that's a pity, as it tends to mar a game. But other than that, I think a lot of the kvetching -- OOC - -- is entirely misplaced. In character, it's perfectly reasonable and justifiable to scream and be outraged. But only an idiot seeks to chastise the British for grabbing all of India when they could--and given what they did it with, given the internal assets and European competition, one can only be impressed at the chutzpah and skill shown. > I started playing BSE in high school and admired many of the players I > see on the list today. Now in graduate school and on the list and seeing > many of the petty attacks, I have lost respect for many of them. Many of > the useless innuendos etc are just a plain waste of bandwidth. Now I > participate in the nonsense by responding to it as I don't have the > patience to listen the the BS. But if you notice carefully I hardly ever > initate a trivial post. I would recommend you do the same. The governor > of Werth wastes bandwidth on announcing some Quman game that started a > lot of this thread. It was a petty attack and a total waste of > bandwidth. Richard, many of these people have long histories sniping at each other; even if friendly, personal animosities and competitions do exist, and are a feature of any game (and are also parallel to such attitudes in real history). Pat ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 10:51:23 -0700 Subject: BSE: Stay in character OOC- Please .. no threads on naming players who may have/are perceived to have 'cheated' by swapping resources before coming back into the game as part of a new AFF!! This runs counter to in-character hostilities and can get VERY personal very quickly. Some messages to this list are barely under control as it is! Let's assume everyone / every AFF got to where they are 'fairly', and go from there. Please. Ronk ------------------------------ From: Henry4633@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 14:01:47 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... Harry Flashman Go for it IND. Lord Soteki ------------------------------ From: Henry4633@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 14:01:53 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities Mr Secretary My name Lord Asakura Soteki,Warlox of drell I am human .Mr Secretary think some time we need to see both size .think befor jumping. . If QSNavy moves into WCE space a state war will exist .But the WCE attack any of my holding TH state war will exist with me not only with QSN.So Mr secretary I didn't live for war.But if dogs of war you want to see Attack me. Admirl ,Warlox Lord A.Soteki PS.Mr Secretary we can Drink or we can fight Ball is your. ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN, Traders...or Traitors? On Fri, 14 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > > Let's ask your "trading partners" how the QSN have paid there debts... > > Your "offering" SoL to players who want to run IND against the FGZ...and yet > at the same time, I know of two AFFs that the > QSN still owe *a lot* of hulls to! So, instead of "paying" your debts, your > giving stuff out to get more people involved in your little "war"... > > Sounds like a great way to do business for the QSN... If those affliations wish to contact the QSN concerning the "missing" hulls then I would be glad to speak with them. As for now, I know one affliation who we owe hulls to possibly and we have not refused to build them ships up to the hulls we owe them when they request thm. > > Also, it's none of my business...but I'd wager neither the PJG or SAM got > *squat* from the QSN for the CCs... Other than maybe the QSN's "good > intentions"...<g> > Hmm. That is good to know Jack. I wish I could get everything on good intentions. We have been generous with our trading partners. Well at least I have. I understand Nicholas is a tough sell <g>. If you do not find our terms acceptable, then don't trade with us. No need to be insulting to many of the affliations in the game. Richard ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: The DTR question? On Fri, 14 Apr 1995 HarryFlash@aol.com wrote: > TO: The GTT > > More than trinkets??? Did our little yellow friends throw in a few of their > SMS "pleasure sheep" to close the "deal"? Was it 40 strings of bead and V. > McCabe in a sheep's suit that purchased a large, powerful colony? > > Harry Flashman > > Lord Protector of IND Werth > Dear Governor Flashman: I have long since stopped paying too much attention to your posts as they are a combination of insults and downright lies. Your need to comment on the QSN is interesting. As there is too much communication coming from your office, I just pay attention to the number of affliations you have insulted. THREE is the magic number so far. For an IND colony that bills itself as a neutral ground for discussions you seem to have pissed off many an AFF. I'd rather take my meeting places to IND Allipon. They talk less trash and can really protect me. I would recommend others do the same. Lord Anton Qutroh Minister of Propaganda ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Trinkets (BOUNCED ME... On Fri, 14 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > Richard: > > It's like Howard Stren...If you don't like it...turn OFF the radio. > > Some people have asked us to stop...I honestly try to uphold their requests. > Some, in the past have asked for more information. > > As long as you keep your "bander" private, I will respond in kind. Put BS(e) > on the list publically, (ie. this BS about the two SoLs not being player run, > that the GMs "magically" moved them) and I'll respond publically. > Jack, If you notice, I have not started an insulting post on this list for several months now. All my posts have been in response to those who feel the need to comment on the QSN as the job of the Minister of Propaganda is to do. If people weren't just interested in mouthing off instead of discussing or registering complaints, they would send private email like I do when I have a problem with something. Richard ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #140 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". 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