BSE Digest v195 #136 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Wednesday, 12 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 136 In this issue: + BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + BSE: A battle? Nah, don't believe it! + BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #135 + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + Re: BSE: FOE + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #135 + BSE: Systems? + Re: BSE: Systems? + BSE: warning shot + Re: BSE: A battle? Nah, don't believe it! + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + BSE: Get rich quick + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + Re: BSE: Get rich quick + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + BSE: SSL Smell + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + BSE: News from the front See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 13:44:49 -0700 Subject: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities Gentlepersons, As I fancy myself a bit of a war historian, I am trying to wile away the slack TU's spent during Jump preperation by analyzing the current dispute between the FGZ and the QSN. Can someone confirm/deny the following statement? "Within the 1rst 90 days of the outbreak of QSN/FGZ hostilities, the sole casulty was an AFT warship, destroyed by the WCE while defending an SMS stargate against the RIP." My overall thesis is that once the dogs of war are released, they often race around biting completely innocent bystanders on the ankle. Of course based on the SIZE of the warfleets I have seen manuvering in the vicinity of the Drell system, this may soon change. But at this point in time, it still seems a workable thesis. Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Blue Whale MerchantPerson ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:48:07 -0400 Subject: BSE: A battle? Nah, don't believe it! > Jack/Richard, > > No offense intended to either side, but will y'all PLEASE shut-up >and start shooting or make up and call it quits? > > Steve > <*SMILE* *NOD*> Finally!!!! Geez, I've got dust gathering on those 50 BSs I built for the occasion! Bests- J. - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:33:23 -0400 Subject: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #135 <that after a long and bloody fight, the invaders had been destroyed.> The only reason it took so long...was because those d*mn little ships ships wouldn't stand still!! If they hadn't moved so much, it would have only been one "slap in the face".<g> But don't worry...we've got a couple SoLs now...it won't happen again.<G> (After hanging around BSs for so long, we had to reset all of our sensors to include ships under 150 hulls!) ------------------------------ From: PEllisCaz@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:42:20 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... On 95-04-10 Ronk Stated: > Fair enough. Then what about allowing colony governors to: >1. Forbid certain affiliations / specific ships from using their market. >2. Firing a 'warning shot' at a merchant ship entering orbit (enough >to do minimal damage, not enough to terminate the ship). > This would allow a variety of responses to express hostility >between >affiliations, short of all out war. Perhaps the QSN/FGZ situation >could >have played out as a series of trade freeze/warning shots, given >such a >flexability of diplomatic responses. Allied affiliations could support >a war effort with such actions .. diplomacy possibilities get far more >rich, >interactons increase, etc. > Doesn't seem like a major programmatic change. I like these Ideas! As for the warning shot Idea I think that would work graet with something Mike Gutshall was talking about. He was thinking of preposing a "Round 0" to be entered into the battle program. This sugested round would be for closing and fleeing only. At lest that is what I understood anyway. ------------------------------ From: PEllisCaz@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:42:23 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Don Guido I am suprised you are giving a warning before you kill some one. It was my understanding that you only warn some one as you are killing them! Why the change of heart? Caz AFT Trading Post ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:09:57 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #135 Does this mean an actual conflict occurred? Details, details.... Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: MTamen@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:41:51 -0400 Subject: BSE: Systems? OOC <---I think thats what I am suppose to say.<g> I am new to the game and I would like to know if there are any systems where a little (unarmed) Fast Freighter can not go to do some exploration. I would like to probe/GPI a lot of planets and moons...If there is anyone who is interested in buying my information, I would like to hear from you as well. Thanx Mark ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 12:28:50 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Systems? Mark, The best thing is to get a copy of the IMP database, so that you do not duplicate the information already commonly held. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:56:36 -0800 Subject: BSE: warning shot >>2. Firing a 'warning shot' at a merchant ship entering orbit (enough >to do >minimal damage, not enough to terminate the ship). The >>warning shot<< idea has to deal with a fleet of harmless merchants (i.e., attack transports) coming into orbit over a colony and fleeing in terror at the sight of the warning shot . . . . . right to the colony's starport, where they off-load a few divisions and storm inside. Or if not the starport, then one sector outside the colony. It's a nice idea, but I can't figure out how you could prevent abuse. - --Russ ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: A battle? Nah, don't believe it! On Mon, 10 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > > Jack/Richard, > > > > No offense intended to either side, but will y'all PLEASE shut-up >and > start shooting or make up and call it quits? > > > > Steve > > > > <*SMILE* *NOD*> > > Finally!!!! > > Geez, I've got dust gathering on those 50 BSs I built for the occasion! > > Bests- > J. > *CHUCKLE* Jack, my advice build shields and fire bases. ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:25:32 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... The QSN a merchant race?! Ba! Pond scum, I say Pond scum! The QSN have for over 3 human years conducted a cold war against the WaSP and SAM assests. May I remind you of Pecula Hive? or other SAM colonys and assects you were trying to steal from the Hive Queen!! We survived and so does the actions of your evil race against the WaSP live on! ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:40:52 -0800 Subject: BSE: Get rich quick To All: I think I figured out a way to make lots of stellars quickly. I can build ships at Hypso, name them directly after He Who Cannot Be Named, and charge people for the privilege of hunting them down and obliterating them. What do you all think? I think charging a half million a ship is reasonable price. I can imagine a huge market. - --Russ Boggs ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 20:43:29 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... Dear Zealotxxxxxx (Yawn) Here we go again, with the poor little Qumans whining about how they are only a poor peace-loving race while at the same time boasting of their vast war fleets and drooling to launch a war of conquest in the TH (and also threatening every IND position in the game to boot). For once I am forced to agree with PD von Ludendorf. Launch your evil war of aggression or just shut up! Your actions are hateful, but your constant whining is SHEER BOREDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way, has it ever occurred to you that your zero tolerance for IND positions may be causing IND positions to have a zero tolerance for the poor little Qumans? Harry Flashman Lord Protector of IND Werth ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 20:48:38 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... Dear Prothorax, The Qumans ARE a Merchant Race. They are merchants of LIES, AGGRESSION, DEATH and (worse of all) SHEER BOREDOM! Also WHINING. Let's not forget WHINING!!!! Regards, Harry P.S. - I and the citizens of IND WERTH wish you good hunting! While neutrals, we still make our opinions known. ------------------------------ From: Scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:48:26 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Get rich quick >To All: >I think I figured out a way to make lots of stellars quickly. I can build >ships at Hypso, name them directly after He Who Cannot Be Named, and charge >people for the privilege of hunting them down and obliterating them. What >do you all think? I think charging a half million a ship is reasonable >price. I can imagine a huge market. >--Russ Boggs > > The problem with that is people won't think they got their moneys worth after killing the ship, they won't be able to do what they really want to with it if they capture it, and you will never get the same answer twice from the captured crew if you interigate them. Scragg ------------------------------ From: Scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:54:17 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... >Dear Zealotxxxxxx > > (Yawn) Here we go again, with the poor little Qumans whining about how >they are only a poor peace-loving race while at the same time boasting of >their vast war fleets and drooling to launch a war of conquest in the TH (and >also threatening every IND position in the game to boot). > For once I am forced to agree with PD von Ludendorf. Launch your evil >war of aggression or just shut up! Your actions are hateful, but your >constant whining is SHEER BOREDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > By the way, has it ever occurred to you that your zero tolerance for IND >positions may be causing IND positions to have a zero tolerance for the poor >little Qumans? > >Harry Flashman >Lord Protector of IND Werth > Harry: I'm also IND. I want nothing to do with the QSN but if they fire at me I will fight back. I will fly my ship anywhere in the Periphery that IMP law says I can. Has the IMP returned the Drell system to the Qumans or do they still have sovernity over just Odduds? Is it true the QSN is alligned with the FOE? This sure would be a bumber for the IMPs to have such a "powerful" enemy right in their own space. Capt Scragg ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 12 Apr 95 09:50:37 -0600 Subject: BSE: SSL Smell On April 10, Jason Goff sent: > You mean I could lose access to double farm tech by supporting >the IMP against the FOE? Oh, woe is me! Woe is me! Whatever shall >I do? I guess I'll just have to give up and go home! (Sniff, sniff; >Smell that? That's sarcasm) > Somehow I've managed to do without the farm tech all these years. > I imagine I can do without it now. One thing is sure; YOU'LL never >survive to use it. > >Don Guido > > >Jason Goff >11 Avalon way >Riverdale, GA 30274 >404-478-0945 >JGOF4P1@S1.CSC.PEACHNET.EDU > Don Guido, This sarcasm is a strange human concept. I was under the impression it was the way you humans lie and then pretend later that is was humor. Now you tell me it is a 'smell'. Is it that revolting odor on SSL ships? Our scientist had attributed that to the strange food 'garlic' that your AFF is so fond of. It is so hard to torture good data out of slaves these days. Your humor in the last statement was greatly appreciated. The mere thought of a minor human company threatening a Foelian colony governor had my entire court hissing in amusement. It was a welcome break from the boring reports coming from North Cape. IMP blockades can be so dull. Kill well and die laughing. V'Ril T'Bak, Ruler FOE Target ------------------------------ From: Henry4633@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:13:35 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... Lord Protector of IND Werth !. IF you think that I am only threatening IND position Harry Flashman .I will ATTACK ANY IND POSITION THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. ADMIIAL,WARLOX DRELL LORD ASAKURA SOTEKI ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 22:22:55 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... Pond scum...........we need to find out if they have web hands? This would prove they have spend to much time in the pond vs the more advanced creatures of the universe. Our scientic community believe being in a pond for a couple million human years will give you pond scum of the brain disorder. Some call it TOAD DISORDER for short. ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 22:24:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... > For once I am forced to agree with PD von Ludendorf. Launch your evil > war of aggression or just shut up! Your actions are hateful, but your > constant whining is SHEER BOREDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Steve D., That was an OOC comment from me to Jack & Richard. My character of von Ludendorf wasn't involved. Steve M. ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 22:24:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: BSE: News from the front ...................... (static) ....................... <are we connected yet> (unintelligible response) Good Evening, this is P. Arnet reporting live from Hammerfest in the Northcape system. We've been landed here at HHC/49th AD "Tejanos Guard" for 2 weeks now, but ISP PAO has not allowed any transmissions till now for security reasons. Two weeks ago we of the press train made planetfall into the LZ established by the Pathfinder Platoon of the 49th Armor Div. Units continue to arrive every day, by the company and battalion. We've been informed that 3rd Armor Div.'s Pathfinders established an LZ elsewhere on the planet last week, and 3 AD "Spearhead" is already up to a full Regiment in strength. There are rumors amongst some of the troopers here that the 9th Infantry Regiment "The Manchurians" established a third LZ, but no confirmation has come from PAO. ISP PAO reports the arrival of the main body of their 2nd Fleet into orbit, to join the advance squadrons, with additional squadrons deployed in a 2nd & 3rd outer rings. Advance squadrons of the ISP 4th & 5th Fleets have arrived in system, with their main bodies not too far behind. Crewmen from one of the many various affiliations who are hauling in Imperial troops, reported this very week the sighting of two brand new Foelian firebases. Firebases which didn't exist earlier this week. Obviously the demons were intending to fight the 2 advance squadrons, but didn't reckon on the arrival of the rest of the fleet this soon. The question has been raised, why hasn't 3/66 AR BN been brought in to participate. this unit, which captured FOE Demon's Gorge (now IMP Agate), is part of the 66th AR Regiment "Iron Knights", 2nd Armor Div. "Hell on Wheels". ISP PAO informs us that 2AD is specially outfitted for combat against the RIP, and while 3/66 is a heavy battalion capable of taking on a Foelian force, it's mission requirements and deployment is against the RIP normally. It was only used against Demon's Gorge because it was aboard ship returning from a successful attack against a RIP colony. 3AD is equipped to handle Foelian forces and is a heavy division. ISP PAO refused to provide background info on the 49th AD or 9th Inf. Our sources, however were able to glean a little info on the 9th Inf. This unit is a bastard regiment <def: a unit independent of a major command>, but of elite training. It is part of the IMP RDF, but rarely used. The 9th IR has reportedly been involved in every major Imperial victory since it was first used in the battle of R-snit. With the establishment of LZ's, and the planetfall of several large units, ISP PAO announced a successful conclusion to phase 1 of Operation: Save the Dolphins, and the beginning of a new phase of operations. In closing, I wish to say that never has this reporter seen this level of interracial & inter-affiliation cooperation. Liason officers of several different races are present here, along with most of the companies. Celtian Resistance Movement leaders are also present discussing the planetary situation with IMP G-3 officers. We will keep you informed as the situation developes. This is P. Arnet for UPI News, signing off ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #136 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-bse-list": subscribe bse-digest local-bse-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "bse-digest" in the commands above with "bse-list". Up