BSE Digest v195 #155 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Thursday, 20 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 155 In this issue: + BSE: More Werthless Events + BSE:IND + BSE: TCA/IMP Treaty and GTT/EEM + Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... + Re: BSE:IND + Re: BSE: Missile launchers? + [none] + [none] + [none] + BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com + Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com + BSE: Virus + Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com + Re: BSE: Re: Ind/Anon + BSE: EEM Ignorance See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 17:50:19 -0700 Subject: BSE: More Werthless Events Gentlepersons, >>(WNS) - The newly elected Werth House of Commons Elected yesterday at WIC gunpoint, as far as this observer can tell!! Where is Senator Brickman and his troop of pet monkeys, or that former Pleasure Sheep Rancher, Representative Stuart, or any of the other personalities that made the Werth House of Commons the talk of the periphery? Apparently languishing in jail now .. or worse. >>voted to join the WCE today, >>effectively ending this colony's long tradition of neutrality. .. also effectively ending this colony's long tradition of indecision. >> The vote to >>drop Werth's IND status was an unanimous 400 - 0. The vote to join the WCE >>was 395 - 5, and split along party lines. All 395 members of Harry >>Flashman's Reform Party voted to join the WCE. All 5 members of the Rlo >>Krieger Is A Sex God Party voted to join the EEM. >> Most political experts saw the vote as a severe political setback for the >>QSN. Huh? Seems to me the WCE suffered the setback. Acquiring a colony in which over 1% of the elected representatives believe that Rlo Kreiger is a Sex God does not seem to be a major win for any affiliation. Acquiring a colony in which fully 99% of the elected representatives are content to take their marching orders from the likes of Sir Harry Flashman is a disaster of the first magnitude! >> "This is a concrete example of the strong wave of anti-Quman feeling that >>is sweeping the CP and the TH", said George Willis, noted political poobah. .. and WIC mouthpiece. I could tell from the video link .. the baggy trousers, narrow head, kick me sign stuck on his back and toilet paper clinging to his shoe tag Mr. Willis as a Werth Intelligence Company agent. >> "The people of Werth felt they had to stand up and be counted. They wanted >>to show their strong opposition to Quman aggression. So they voted to add >>their considerable economic and military strength to the WCE." ... much as a flea will increase the mass of a dog! >> Lord Anton Qutroh of the QSN reportedly funneled 100,000 stellar into >>Werth in the closing weeks of the campaign in a desperate attempt to alter >>the outcome of the election. But the pro-QSN, pro-SMS Pink Party was only >>able to draw two (2) votes and placed dead last, even behind the Mothers >>Against Robotic Sheep (MARS) party. The campaign succeeded!! Minister (not Lord) Qutroh was afraid that the population would vote to ally themselves with the QSN. While certainly not wishing to discourage such alliances in general, the thought of being linked in the mind of intelligent beings with the current government of Werth was more than the QSN was willing to deal with at the moment ... the current FGZ unpleasantness requiring his full attention. >>One happy human is PD von Ludendorf. According to Willis, the end of >>Werth's neutrality is a big gain for the Imperial leader. >> "Harry Flashman has been a sharp pebble in von Ludendorf's jackboot," >>Willis joked. The original quote (based on the hyper-link tape I am listening to) was "Harry Flashman has been a sharp pebble in von Ludendorf's pants," which refers to the fact that to von Ludendorf, Sir Harry was a pain in the ass. >> "Now Harry will follow the more moderate policy of the WCE >>towards the Imperials. That is a big gain for von Ludendorf." Wherever the WCE now leads, Werth must follow. What a comedown for the once proud Werth'ies! Would that Sir Harry also follow the WCE moderate policy on race-baiting, trash-talking and pleasure sheep abuse. Respectfully, Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Blue Whale MerchantPerson ------------------------------ From: "Richard A. Loutzenheiser" <76311.2317@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 12:18:48 EDT Subject: BSE:IND It seems to me that all this hyperbole about each position being completely seperate of all others is self serving at best. If Watson Hive created a new ship and made it IND and it flew off into a suicide mission against someone's highport or some transport ship in order of Utopia your logic says that Watson Hive had nothing to do with it. But what was the colony paid for this ship? Nothing. How did this suicidal captain gain his commision if it were not granted by some one within the SAM. The creation of IND assets by affiliations is conversion, literally it is theft of the Aff's assets. So what if the missions aren't suicidal; that just means that everyone can start RIP-like covert operation units. I thought the companies were mercantile operations. The logical result of the widespread use of this rule will be the further erosion of the historical nature, flavour and individuality of the various affiliations; and in my opinion that will detract from the ability of the GM's to recruit and retain new players. If they can't determine from the rulebook what the general sense of the various aff's are then many of them will simply fade away when they find that the XXX is not the mammoth conglomerate they read about, but rather a loose association of older colonies whose purpose in life seems to be to create new IND positions. I know I have overstated it some, but I believe it is naive to rely solely upon the player's sense of role-playing integrity to govern these things. Would someone like to comment on the idea of morale checks to start space battles? Richard A. Loutzenheiser, SAM ------------------------------ From: philip.breault@com2bbs.com (Philip Breault) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:52:00 -0800 Subject: BSE: TCA/IMP Treaty and GTT/EEM My Dear Cap'n Scragg; My comment about the FOE was a personal observation, based on first-hand experience with them. I am not a spokesman for the IMP; I believe SADM Von Ludendorf is doing an adequate job of that. Regarding the GTT colony on the same planet as Hypso, I stand by my comment. But please do not mistake my diplomatic talk for stupidity. One race did, and paid for it. ADM Jay Seafeather, EEM \\\|/// -(o o)- +------------------------oOOOo--(_)--oOOOo----------------------------+ | COM2: BBS | sysop: Sean Azhadi | | San Diego, CA. | Internet: sysop@com2bbs.com | | 619.737.0495 BBS 12 Nodes | Info: info@com2bbs.com | | 619.737.9659 voice | | +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ The contents of this message do not necessarily reflect the opinions of this BBS, it's operators or sponsors... But they should. ------------------------------ From: Henry4633@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:33:48 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... Flashman Now act like you are WCE with (HONOR) Stop run your m. Lord Soteki ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:10:45 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE:IND >It seems to me that all this hyperbole about each position being completely >seperate of all others is self serving at best. If Watson Hive created a new >ship and made it IND and it flew off into a suicide mission against someone's >highport or some transport ship in order of Utopia your logic says that Watson >Hive had nothing to do with it. But what was the colony paid for this ship? >Nothing. How did this suicidal captain gain his commision if it were not >granted by some one within the SAM. The creation of IND assets by affiliations >is conversion, literally it is theft of the Aff's assets. So what if the >missions aren't suicidal; that just means that everyone can start RIP-like >covert operation units. I thought the companies were mercantile operations. >The logical result of the widespread use of this rule will be the further >erosion of the historical nature, flavour and individuality of the various >affiliations; and in my opinion that will detract from the ability of the GM's >to recruit and retain new players. If they can't determine from the rulebook >what the general sense of the various >aff's are then many of them will simply fade away when they find that the >XXX is not the mammoth conglomerate they read about, but rather a loose >association of older colonies whose purpose in life seems to be to create >new IND positions. I know I have overstated it some, but I believe it is >naive to rely solely upon the player's sense of role-playing integrity to >govern these things. Would someone like to comment on the idea of morale >checks to start space battles? >Richard A. Loutzenheiser, SAM Richard: I think it would be interesting if RTG just created a new filed in the database record for each IND ship that stores the last four or five turns worth of the navigators report. The information in this report would be obtainable through roleplaying investigations like sifting through wreckage, interigating survivors etc... There would be only a small chance to find out where the ship had been the last few turns. On the other side of the coin, a Starcaptain could attempt to sanitize his ships and remove all evidence of where he's been. Of course the Captain would have only a small chance of this. Cap'n Scragg ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:16:38 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Missile launchers? Date: 19 Apr 95 14:22:34 EDT From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> To: <bse-list@io.com> Subject: BSE: Missile launchers? Reply-to: bse-list@io.com Scragg, Why don't you think missile launchers are good at colony defense? Seems to me they do a lot of damage for the best price. Kevin You are correct, MU for MU they do very good damage but they need missiles. If you use lot's of missiles launchers fro colony defense and your enemy keeps on throughing suicide ships at you you are going to burn through a ton of missiles. After your enemy has gone through your supply of missiles then he shows up with his fleet and pounds you. Had you used beam weapons you can fight on without worrying about amo. Your production can then be spent building more shields or weapons insdead of missiles. It's good to have some missile launchers but unless you are planning on a colony vs colony fight having more then a few thousand is not a good move. ------------------------------ From: Date: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ From: Date: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ From: Date: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:17:45 -0400 Subject: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com Guys, This is something that is critically important. I know some of you don't, in general, want to see non-PBM stuff on these mailing lists, I hope you'll not be too upset once you see the content. This warning came directly to me via US Air Force computer security people, so it's about as valid as it can get. Phil Krauskopf There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. For more information about this virus, read the following. The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major importance to any regular user of the InterNet. Apparently, a new computer virus has been engineered by a user of America Online that is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other, more well-known viruses such as Stoned, Airwolf, and Michaelangelo pale in comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the existing e-mail systems of the InterNet. Once a computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be destroyed. If the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop - which can severely damage the processor if left running that way too long. Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way in a text e-mail message with the subject line reading simply "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received - not reading it. The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. The program is highly intelligent - it will send copies of itself to everyone whose e-mail address is contained in a received-mail file or a sent- mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running on. The bottom line here is - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good Times", delete it immediately! Do not read it! Rest assured that whoever's name was on the "From:" line was surely struck by the virus. Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the InterNet! It could save them a lot of time and money. ------------------------------ From: mhughes@pms144.pms.ford.com (Mark Hughes) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 9:36:56 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com > This is something that is critically important. I know > some of you don't, in general, want to see non-PBM > stuff on these mailing lists, I hope you'll not be too > upset once you see the content. This warning came > directly to me via US Air Force computer security > people, so it's about as valid as it can get. Not this crap again. 1) You are correct. This is not welcome here. There are many important issues we could discuss, and if we discuss them all this would not be a PBM list. If you think your issue is more important than all others, you are probably wrong. If you disagree, I have a copy of the Bible I would like you all to see... 2) The "Good Times" virus is a very old hoax. Ignore this tired, annoying rumor. Mark ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:01:00 -0400 Subject: BSE: Virus Boy, is my face red! I too, kinda wondered how such a virus might work, but after seeing how some of them work on UNIX, I wouldn't have been surprised. I was just notified by the AF that it was a mistake on their part, that the virus does not exist. I apologize to everyone, and you won't see another post like that from me again. Phil K. ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:02:33 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com This is something that is critically important. I know some of you don't, in general, want to see non-PBM stuff on these mailing lists, I hope you'll not be too upset once you see the content. This warning came directly to me via US Air Force computer security people, so it's about as valid as it can get. Phil Krauskopf There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Good Times", DO NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. For more information about this virus, read the following. Phil, Phil, Phil...... I guess this goes to show you how far out of touch the USAF is. That virus scare is a hoax. It is MONTHS old. Since the country is so computerized some govet agecny set up the National Computer Oversight office (or something like that). That office investigated the "good times" virus and found it to be a hoax. There is also a team of computer guys that specialize in security and visus protection, ( some big wiggs at Stanford I think). they also investigated the Good Times thing and confirmed it's a hoax. If it will give you a warm fuzzy feeling you can confirm this by checking out the computer virus newsgroup. Be warned though, you will probably get flamed by the members fro not already knowing this. (computer nerds can be harsh) Just emphasize the point: THE GOOD TIMES VIRUS IS A HOAX. Joe ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:03:18 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Re: Ind/Anon David I., You're welcome. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 20 Apr 95 10:02:46 -0600 Subject: BSE: EEM Ignorance On April 19 Philip Breault wrote: >My Dear Cap'n Scragg; > >I agree with your assesment regarding missile launchers as a defense >against starships. > >However, with the comments made on this channel about "GTT Stargate", I >decline to add to them. The GTT and EEM have enjoyed good relations in >the past and hopefully that will not change. > >I will comment about the FOE, though. Having been a recipient of their >"hospitality", your comment about why the FOE should beat the IMPies is >way off the mark. Indeed, one of the first victims if the demons gain a >hold on the Periphery will be the IND flag. > >ADM Jay Seafeather, EEM > To: Human EEM thing, Your feeble brain can not contain a fraction of the data necessary to understand current FOE plans. Even our illustrious Priests acknowledge a limit to determining future Foelian actions, only Foebeus knows. An insignificant beings such as yourself predicting our response to a given situation is too absurd to even be humorous. The situation described is even ridiculous, the Periphery is not worth the cost and effort to conquer (at this moment in time). A point it fact, we have several IND positions interested in an open offer I made for information and possible attack of FOE posted positions. If they choose to take such risks in the Periphery, that is their decision. They will be reward if successful. Think less and die dumb. V'Ril T'Bak, Ruler FOE Target (OOC If either of the IND postions [the PLAYERS have other postions with ties to the Imperials or Imperial companies, that have *nothing* to do with these IND postions] pull off what they suggested to me, you can expect to see IND Devestators. I mention this to point out ship type does NOT define ownership - several AFFs have baseships, just about everyone seems to have Cargo Masters and Myrships, and the IMPs are giving Dreadnoughts to the Imperial companies - so IND DV's are not *automatically* FOE <g>. Later. Mike K.) ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #155 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". To unsubscribe from the bse-digest send the command: unsubscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". 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