BSE Digest v195 #153

From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000

BSE Digest                Wednesday, 19 April 1995      Volume 195 : Number 153

In this issue:

+       Re: BSE: Odds-n-ends
+       Re: BSE: Werth Joins WCE
+       Re: BSE: STGMap
+       Re: BSE: QSN
+       Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities
+       Re: BSE: QSN=Brain Trust :>
+       Re: BSE: QSN=Brain Trust :>
+       Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities
+       BSE: Missile launchers as colony defense
+       BSE: IND
+       Re: BSE: ICN vs RIP
+       BSE: STGMap
+       Re: BSE: STGMap
+       Re: BSE: The Poker Game
+       Re: BSE: IND Positions
+       Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #149
+       Re: BSE: Missile launchers as colony defense

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From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 06:10:17 CDT
Subject: Re: BSE: Odds-n-ends

On Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:02:29 -0500 (EST) <LUDENDORF@delphi.com> said:
>Alan,
>Thanks for the ideas.... it's worth an investigating.
>

If anyone is interested I'll consider uploading the blank system .bmp and
other useful .bmp 's up to RTG's board.

Alan

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 04:13:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Werth Joins WCE

On Tue, 18 Apr 1995 HarryFlash@aol.com wrote:

>     Lord Anton Qutroh of the QSN reportedly funneled 100,000 stellar into
> Werth in the closing weeks of the campaign in a desperate attempt to alter
> the outcome of the election.  But the pro-QSN, pro-SMS Pink Party was only

Dateline: Illium Novum at Neptula

Lord Anton Qutroh absolutely denied any involvment in the Werth
elections.  In fact, the Minister denied even knowing the location of
Werth as he has been sick from all the whining coming the direction he
now suspects contains Werth as the "fool" Hairy is one loud mother.  Lord
Qutroh did say that he was submitting a law suit to be considered to
cover medical costs for the surgery he would have to undergo to correct
his hearring from the Hairy's whining.

As for his comments on the elections on Werth, Lord Qutroh said it was
the first he had heard about it and referred his reporter to some minor
functionary.  The anonymous bureaucrat was highly concerned about the
election and would handle it promptly as soon as he finished the
important task of getting the lint off his sweater.  More to follow if my
network has a slow day.

>From me to you, this is Candace Bergheim reporting for FYI

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From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 07:51 WET DST
Subject: Re: BSE: STGMap

Steve,

Agreed on the graphics set. Being good for people that are color-blind is an
important pre-req. Did you look at the stuff I posted on CIS? I don't
remember those maps of yours but then my stuff was only jump map and a
couple system maps not any planet maps yet. I'll try to take a look at yours
again tonight along with the new version of STGmap (didn't make it to it
last night).

Chip

>Chip,
>
>Hypothetically, let's assume we all see the Win/GIF version of STGMap and like
>it, and we all get a copy.  We will all need to decide on a standard set of
>graphics for usage.  For example (I refer you to the copies of "Damp" &
>"Sreel" that I sent you).  The graphics sets I use for rough, mountains, etc.
>might not be what you or someone else might use (be advised, being colorblind,
>I chose those specific graphics for their patterns, and because they were
>easier for me to see).
>
>Steve
>
>--------------
>To everyone who hasn't seen STGMap, it doesn't create an ugly ascii map such
>as RTG is printing on our turns, it allows graphics and color.  It creates a
>very nice looking map, and can be hyper-linked so that you could click on a
>system on the Periphery (say capellan) map, and the system map would pop up.
>Click on a planet on the system map, and it pops up.  It's quite a good piece
>of work.  It is shareware and available on Compuserve (DOS ver...... no GIF or
>Windows, yet).
>
>

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 07:51:27 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN

Excellent points PK!

Jack

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 07:51:29 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities

<Richard

PS.  The price offered for Viking is probably more than 5 affliations put
together in stellars (even more maybe)>

Tell me Richard...did the QSN pay for it up front? or...are the GTT being
nice and letting you guys "pay as you go"?

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 07:51:32 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN=Brain Trust :>

Ask the crew of the Fury how they fair against ships Richard...

< If this is true, then why have devastators.>

Easy upgrades...and the FGZ have no DVs anymore...The "Nomads" battle against
your little ships in our space last week will confirm this.

Funny that I should know more about your AFF than you do...I suggest you
check your intel before you spread misinformation publicly...I know you do...b
ecause I was leaving with my DVs as yours were being built...Care to re-state
that?

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:14:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN=Brain Trust :>

On Wed, 19 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> Funny that I should know more about your AFF than you do...I suggest you
> check your intel before you spread misinformation publicly...I know you do...b
> ecause I was leaving with my DVs as yours were being built...Care to re-state
> that?
>

Yep.  No DV's in the QSN.  I will be glad to take some though.

Richard

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities

On Wed, 19 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> <Richard
>
> PS.  The price offered for Viking is probably more than 5 affliations put
> together in stellars (even more maybe)>
>
> Tell me Richard...did the QSN pay for it up front? or...are the GTT being
> nice and letting you guys "pay as you go"?
>
> J.
>

Most of it will have to be paid upfront in one form or another.  The rest
is to be paid over a year or so.  Don't be jealous now.

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From: philip.breault@com2bbs.com (Philip Breault)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 01:11:00 -0800
Subject: BSE: Missile launchers as colony defense

My Dear Cap'n Scragg;

I agree with your assesment regarding missile launchers as a defense
against starships.

However, with the comments made on this channel about "GTT Stargate", I
decline to add to them. The GTT and EEM have enjoyed good relations in
the past and hopefully that will not change.

I will comment about the FOE, though. Having been a recipient of their
"hospitality", your comment about why the FOE should beat the IMPies is
way off the mark. Indeed, one of the first victims if the demons gain a
hold on the Periphery will be the IND flag.

ADM Jay Seafeather, EEM

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From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:25:25 EST
Subject: BSE: IND

This is all OOC.  I am speaking as myself for a change.

I like the idea of being able to run an IND ship.  I think I'm a
pretty good role player, and I can seperate Don Guido from whoever I
make up to run an IND ship.  In fact, I'll tell you what IND ship I'm
running (I'm not, right now), even if I do attack an SSL ally.  Don
Guido should NOT be held responsible for I or one of my IND
starcaptains actions. WE ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. *I* am not a
member of the Mafia, I don't even know very much about the real
thing.  And I've never seen a starship in my life (except on TV).
This might seem a little weird.  It is. <g>

This brings up a point; How did this INDie get his ship?  I DO
have a problem with someone giving his/her IND character a capital
class warship/cargoship without th INDie paying for it. You gotta do
it right!

Later,
Jason Goff
11 Avalon way
Riverdale, GA 30274
404-478-0945
JGOF4P1@S1.CSC.PEACHNET.EDU

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From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:30:04 EST
Subject: Re: BSE: ICN vs RIP

>(Don Guido - Do the boys need any practice?)
>
> Adm Allen Landover, ICN PD
>
    Yeah, but a survey cruiser ain't gonna give 'em much.

Don Guido

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From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:40:52 EST
Subject: BSE: STGMap

What're the hardware requirments for STGMap?  All I got is a
'386/16 with 2MB RAM.  Can I run it?
Jason Goff
11 Avalon way
Riverdale, GA 30274
404-478-0945
JGOF4P1@S1.CSC.PEACHNET.EDU

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From: "Joe Eckhout" <scragg@infi.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 08:49:22 +0000
Subject: Re: BSE: STGMap

- --------------
To everyone who hasn't seen STGMap, it doesn't create an ugly ascii map such
as RTG is printing on our turns, it allows graphics and color.  It creates a
very nice looking map, and can be hyper-linked so that you could click on a
system on the Periphery (say capellan) map, and the system map would pop up.
Click on a planet on the system map, and it pops up.  It's quite a good piece
of work.  It is shareware and available on Compuserve (DOS ver...... no GIF or
Windows, yet).

OK, so can someone put it somewhere on the Internet for download? I
don't do Compuserve anymore.
Scragg from the ZONE! BBS 804/474-9635

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From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 10:02:06 EST
Subject: Re: BSE: The Poker Game

Stu,
   You got me & that Ahole mixed up somehow.  Maybe you should cut
down on the grassjuice!  Seriously, we shouldn't be partyin' durin'
ACCC meetings.  That idea about moving Dogleg up closer to Utopia was
pretty silly.  I don't believe I voted for it!  And it WON! 4-0, no
less.

Hey, Flipperjerk!
    Give me the money!!!  I won that game fair and square!  Five Aces
beats anything!

Don Guido

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 10:43:27 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions

Patrick,

Right, it's annoying to have to send in the CC order for the hiport, but my
point was simply that the sort of research project suggested (hardened
hiports) would actually require much more effort.  Not to say that someone
won't do it (there are plenty of folks with huge colonies & nothing much to do
with them), but the CBE looks bad for the research.

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:00:42 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #149

RonK,

First off, this isn't a "new rule", it's the return of an old rule.  The only
reason the Gravity Disadvantaged Chromosomally Herteromorphic Neonate (cf) got
rid of IND positions being run by a player with AFF positions was because he
couldn't program it.  The Periphery being a bit more like NYC is OK with me -
just as it is enjoyable (and reasonably safe) for someone with a bit of savvy
to live in The Big Apple, there's no reason that the Periphery couldn't be the
same (an occasional mugging notwithstanding).  Any major, coordinated attack
that could do something of military meaning won't be much of a secret.

Other than that, if someone is flying an AFF flag, then the whole AFF is
generally responsible for their actions.  In the case of a genuine rogue, it
cna typically be sorted out.  If there is an established player in an AFF
who's rogue, get rid of him, get out of the AFF, or suffer the consequences.
Specific positions being run by an individual should NOT be indicated as the
owning position because they AREN'T.  Players don't exist in BSE.  I could, as
a source of fun, decide to start a pirate position (it couldn't be RIP, as RIP
is another AFF) as IND.  There is no reason that it would have to have
anything to do with my other positions.  If, in game, the pirate encountered
an undefended ship of mine it would act toward it as it would one of yours, or
anyone elses.  Sounds like fun, doesn't it?  I just wish I had the U$ to spare
to do it.

Be seeing you,

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From: "Joe Eckhout" <scragg@infi.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:43:44 +0000
Subject: Re: BSE: Missile launchers as colony defense

My Dear Cap'n Scragg;

I agree with your assesment regarding missile launchers as a defense
against starships.

However, with the comments made on this channel about "GTT Stargate", I
decline to add to them. The GTT and EEM have enjoyed good relations in
the past and hopefully that will not change.

ADM Jay Seafeather, EEM

Ahh but the FOE is not attacking the Periphery. They are retaking the
Northcape system from the IMP.  Northcape is on the TCA side of
Canally. Seems to me the IMPs have no right to be there anyway.

The treaty the IMP  signed with the TCA was voided by the IMP, that
treaty was their only legitimate claim to Northcape.

If your on such good terms with the GTT why is their colony on the
same planet as your HQ armed to the teeth and outfitted to fight
another colony? I say maybe your not on as good a terms as you think

Cap'n Scragg

Scragg from the ZONE! BBS 804/474-9635

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