BSE Digest v195 #149

From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000

BSE Digest                 Tuesday, 18 April 1995       Volume 195 : Number 149

In this issue:

+       Re: BSE: EEM Hiport -Reply
+       Re: BSE: IND Positions
+       Re: BSE: Recent Posts
+       Re: BSE: IND Positions
+       Re: BSE: QSN=Brain Trust :>
+       Re: BSE: IND Positions
+       Re: BSE: IND Positions
+       Re: BSE:IND/Anonymous
+       Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities
+       Re: BSE:IND/Anonymous
+       BSE: QSN
+       Re: BSE: IND Positions
+       Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilitie...
+       Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To Victory

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:52:49 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: EEM Hiport -Reply

>>Well put. Missile launcher arent very economical
>>for colony defense from  starships anyway. Have
>>you ever wondered why the GTT has so many
>>missile  launchers on a planet with the EEM HQ?
>>Hmmmmm..................

Shades of GTT Starport!
(is there, by chance, an AFT colony on-planet there
<g>?)

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:41:42 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions

Actually it doesn't matter.  If you are going to attack a PERSON for the
actions of a POSITION you are just as guilty of poor roleplaying as the
hypothetical folks you are worried about.  There are plenty of existing in
game possibilties  to discover who (in the in-game sense), if anyone, is
"responsible" for the attack.  Then again, as in "real life", there are going
to have to be plenty of minor terrorist attacks that end up being untraceable.
The acts of a single ship will, in most cases, be of minor consequence.  Major
"IND" actions will undoubtably be very traceable, just as with major acts of
terrorism in the world today.

This "problem" is something that's easily handled in-game by anyone with a
reasonably creative imagination.  Let's keep the GMs & game mechanics changes
out of it.

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:42:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Recent Posts

On Mon, 17 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> <I think they want us to come to blows and beat each other senseless so they
> can pick up the scraps <g>.
>
> Richard>
>
> You know...I think your right! I think the FGZ and QSN should team up...what
> da' think?
>
> Right...
>
> J.
>

The question is not should we, but against whom.  That is the real question.

Richard
(hmm.  maybe I should start signing just R as my wrist isn't completely
better)

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:45:52 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions

Kerry,

I disagree.  The player data information on turns is for desired player
contact ONLY.  It simply facilitates things like "oh, this guy just sold me 2K
proc. thor. - I could really use more, I wonder if he has a supply and wants
to set up a deal?"  It should never be used as a vehicle for personal
vendettas.  Therefore, as a rational way to prevent such nonsense, if you know
you are going to be running a position that might possibly incur such a
response you might elect to run the position anonymously.

Be seeing you,

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN=Brain Trust :>

On Mon, 17 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> Give me a freaken break! Gee, guys, which would you rather have...a 70-200-50
> BS or a little 31-90-29 DV??? Besides, want to talk about those QSN DVs???
> (Didn't think so!) The FGZ's were all upgraded!

Probably a baseship for a colony buster, but you probably would always
want a baseship.  If this is true, then why have devastators.  As for QSN
Devastators, the QSN does not currently have any.  But I would personally
like to get my hands on some.

Richard

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:48:37 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions

Steve Marte,

Well said.

Be seeing you,

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:51:32 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions

Pat,

Actually, the MU cost of a Hiport isn't really that great, particularly when
compared to the MU cost of even a moderate research venture.

Be seeing you,

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:07:49 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE:IND/Anonymous

Richard L.,

Exactly right.  This requires genuinely playing the game.  Folks who think
nothing of building a ship, not bothering to name either it nor the captain,
and then sending it on a single mission (like a hauling run) only to discard
it because it's easier for them to build another ship than to "bother" to run
it home have absolutely no feel for the RPG nature of BSE.

To those lacking the adequate intellectual resources to understand how to do
this:

You take a ship, properly equipped, to the scene of the battle.

You spend at least one turn probing, making scans, and collecting samples.

You analyze those samples to the best of the ship's abilites.

If need be, you take the samples to a properly equipped colony for further
analysis.

You go to other places, based on what the samples tell you, and investigate
further.  (Example: You discover that the ship was built at Hypso.  You go to
Hypso.  You spend time investigating, buying rounds of drinks, etc. until you
find out that the IND Urine People was originally built as QSN Pink Whale...).

You continue until you discover to your satisfaction who was behind the
attack.  Note: at no time need you discover a "who" in the sense of a player.
This may rile some folks, but the person behind the position is NONE OF YOUR
GODDAMN BUSINESS, if that's the way the player wants it.

Actually, the player names, etc. on turns provide a "cheater's shortcut" to
playing the game.  Nearly all attacks should have to be investigated to some
degree.  Few, if any, ever are.  Play the game, people.

Be seeing you,

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities

On Mon, 17 Apr 1995 HarryFlash@aol.com wrote:

> OOC
>
> Dear Richard,
>
>     And by the way, could you tell me what IND positions you have (and also
> your QSN mole positions in the PFM, SMS, GTT, etc)?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve D.
>

Dear Steve D.,

Woops.  I just sent a pretty nasty OOC.  If you want to change Werth feel
free.  But please do not criticize the QSN for our growth.  It is really
hypocritical.  The QSN has not gotten a sweetheart deal on a colony as
far as I can see.

As for moles, I am not sure what you mean.  If you mean fake players in
other affliations, we do not do that (at least while I am QSN).  The
deals we have made have been the result of negoiation.  We give good
deals and make good friends.

If you want to take civilized about anything, then feel free to email me
privately as this really should be a private conversation and I think
most people are sick of it by now.

Richard

PS.  The price offered for Viking is probably more than 5 affliations put
together in stellars (even more maybe)

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From: Scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:01:53 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE:IND/Anonymous

>
>Actually, the player names, etc. on turns provide a "cheater's shortcut" to
>playing the game.  Nearly all attacks should have to be investigated to some
>degree.  Few, if any, ever are.  Play the game, people.
>
>Be seeing you,
>
>
I like that. Just being able to find out what affiliation origionally built
the ship not WHO built the ship.

Getting some information about the IND Snot Ragg at the EEM Shipyards after
paying some yard worker a hefty bribe or getting him plastered at the
Resteraunt complex would actually be fun.

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:12:00 -0400
Subject: BSE: QSN

Richard,

You're missing a point here.  It doesn't matter if the
Qumans pay a good price for something.  Much of
what has gone on with the Qumans appears to have
run completely counter to affiliation profiles, and
under very suspicious circumstances.   Many things
that have taken place, perhaps, should never have
done so, for any price.  Let me show you how many
view this situation:

1.  A friend of a QSN player is told by that player to
take over the GTT.  Suddenly the GTT sells major
colonies to the Qumans.

2.  A friend of a QSN player takes over the DTR.
Suddenly the DTR sell a colony in their home system
to the QSN.

3.  A friend of a QSN player takes over the PGJ.  The
Qumans are sold hundreds of teleporters, when very
few others have access to them at all.  The PGJ player
quits; you, yourself consider going PGJ.  Instead,
another friend of a QSN player takes over.  Now this
friend sells the QSN a Cargo Carrier (and the QSN
already have one or two others), directly counter to
any profile the Samillian species and subspecies
have ever been under.  Rumors abound that the QSN
are building the PGJ a colony in Drell, for the sole
purpose of building CCs for the QSN.

When viewed in this light, you've got to admit that
things look fishy, regardless the price you pay for
things.  I'm not making accusations here; I just want
you to see the other side.  It could well be that there
are "in-game" reasons and profile justifications for
these activities.  If so, and if possible, it would be nice
if you could make those reasons public.  If can't make
them public for security reasons (or whatever), I just
want to caution you many see the role-playing aspect
of BSE as, not just a primary reason for playing, but
as the ONLY reason for playing.  To these folks,
violating role-playing integrity is much more serious
than murder.

Phil K.

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From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:15:09 EST
Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions

>GM meddling is what killed BSE when [CENSORED] had it.
>      Steve Marte
>
    Please!  Be more carefull!  You've caused several major
doglegquakes by mentioning that name!

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilitie...

On Mon, 17 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> <Our base actions?  Up to this date, no QSN ship has fired upon any FGZ ship
> initially.>
>
> Who else but the QSN would brag about going to war against someone, and not
> *firing* a shot!
>
> Lord Den of Earth
>

For the last time, the QSN does not consider itself currently at war with
anyone (unless you consider a unresolved non-agression pact with the
WCE).  If we were at war with someone then you would know it.  The FGZ
are currently posted at QSN colonies in the Transhole and Periphery and
that is all.  We consider the FGZ attacks on QSN assets as insults and
will obtain out proper revenge.

Lord Anton Qutroh
Minister of Propaganda

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To Victory

On Mon, 17 Apr 1995 HarryFlash@aol.com wrote:

>      The vote was non-binding, but Lord Protector Flashman has summoned the
> new House of Commons to a special legislative session tomorrow.  Sources
> indicate that a vote to join the WCE will be taken then.
>      "Werth will either join the WCE tomorrow or become a EEM Sex Haven ruled
> by the Man-God Rlo," said Willis.  "I consider the former the more likely
> possibility".
>

Dateline: Neptula, Quoda

Governor Flashman has finally shown his true colors.  We knew there was
something decisively different about him.  He is obviously a traitor to
the long history of Werth by affliating himself.  My understanding was
that he promised a return to the days of neutrality, but we can see his
vile comments on the QSN were made not because of some outsider looking
in but because of other loyalities.

If my understanding is correct, Werth becoming WCE would be in violation
of the current treaty between the Imperials and the WCE, unless a zoning
variance was obtained.

Lord Anton Qutroh
Minister of Propaganda

ooc

I am thinking hypocrite.  Maybe I don't understand the situation.  Werth
was given back to you.  So because you decide to join the WCE (and had
considered it a long time ago if my information is correct), you take
Werth with you (contrary to game history) by using some bs game reason.
Nice role playing.  Do not even think of criticizing the QSN about our
rapid growth again.  I am tired at the hypocrisy.

Steve, I don't mean to be too harsh, but do you really think this action
is okay?  So Kerry would have been okay to take Issac Neutin with him
into the KZK?

To the GMs:

Before you give away another IND colony, please make sure they are
committed to it.  Otherwise I will gladly quit the QSN temporily and tak
over the Alliponians.  No really, I am committed to the race.  I don't
just want some free assets.

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