BSE Digest v195 #147 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Monday, 17 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 147 In this issue: + Re: BSE: pitchforks in northcape + BSE: IND Positions + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilitie... + Re: BSE: Weird Dreams + BSE: QSN=Brain Trust :> + Re: BSE: Recent Posts + BSE: STGMAP + Re: BSE: IND Positions + BSE: Flashman Sweeps To Victory + Re: BSE: IND Positions + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + Re: BSE: IND Positions + BSE: EEM HiPort Fiasco + Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... + Re: BSE: IND Positions + Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... + Re: BSE: SSL See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 16:42:09 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: pitchforks in northcape Steve M., Actually, I think they would be "red boys", complete with pointy beards, silly horns, pitchforks and funny red union suits. Steve D. ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 15:04:10 -0700 Subject: BSE: IND Positions >>From: Scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) >>Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 14:57:11 -0400 >>Subject: Re: BSE: EEM HIPORT PRESS RELEASE > > >As it was, since the attack was done by an IND, we were beginning to feel >that DTR's IND policies may have a point. > > <OOC>, Gentlepersons, Since RTG now allows anyone to start an IND position, it seems to me that this changes a basic tenet of the game in which the Periphery is safe because affiliations can be held accountable for the actions of their members. If anyone can start an IND warship and get it upgraded at a colony, the ship can then attack whomever, wherever, and no retribution can be taken against anything but that ship, since it was the action of an independent. Is this assessment correct? Seems to me this has all the advantages of the RIP without the danger .. you can commit acts of aggression without ever being held accountable. In fact, it destroys a major advantage of RIP (hire me to kill your enemies without starting a general war) .. now any colony owner with upgrade facilities can do this. Why, someone could keep spawning IND ships every two weeks to blow up various hiports. I thought for a moment that this had already started, but it seems not .. yet. These 'suicide flights' are rather contra to the spirit of the game. Suggestions: 1. Do not let existing players create IND ships. 2. Treat IND ships in same manner as TRN. Let them do any action except initiate an attack. Existing IND positions could form a small, non-chartered affiliation for any warships they cared to run. 3. Allow some % chance that the controlling IND player's name / position be ascertained after the battle, perhaps via an examination of the rubble. This would make it similar to running agents on a colony, who can be caught and turned. My vote is for #3. I like the idea of allowing backstabs (this is NOT Nicholas talking) but there should be some risks associated with it. Comments? Thanx, Ronk ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:37:12 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilitie... <Our base actions? Up to this date, no QSN ship has fired upon any FGZ ship initially.> Who else but the QSN would brag about going to war against someone, and not *firing* a shot! Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 14:56:12 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Weird Dreams >> Wow, I just had the weirdest dream last night! I dreamt that >>none of us really existed, and we were all just part of some weird >>"role playing game", whatever that is, and I was nothing more than a >>product of some college punks power fantasies! It was really weird! >>I guess I put too much garlic on my spaghetti last night! >> >>Don Guido >> > >You need to get out a little more. Make that a _LOT_ more. And not just for pizza...(g) ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:37:10 -0400 Subject: BSE: QSN=Brain Trust :> <If you are so concerned about the FOE, I would point out that the FGZ have been sighted piloting Foe Devastators (a guess Baseships aren't enough) in the Transhole.> Sighted?!? Sh*t Richard, they blew those sticken SoLs away!!! Give me a freaken break! Gee, guys, which would you rather have...a 70-200-50 BS or a little 31-90-29 DV??? Besides, want to talk about those QSN DVs??? (Didn't think so!) The FGZ's were all upgraded! < And the FGZ reaction to the taking of a FGZ colony by the FOE has been muted.> Well, geez...unlike some military geniuses, I don't advertise my actions or plans!!! <If you need proof on these two matters we can prove it.> This is too Funny!!! Anyone flying into Trapose can figure that one out..Perhaps the "Gov. V'Ril, FOE Target" was too much of a give away...Huh? I'm sorry...sometimes, the mateiral you provide me....is just toooo much!!! J. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:37:17 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Recent Posts <I think they want us to come to blows and beat each other senseless so they can pick up the scraps <g>. Richard> You know...I think your right! I think the FGZ and QSN should team up...what da' think? Right... J. ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> Date: 17 Apr 95 19:26:28 EDT Subject: BSE: STGMAP Chip, >>P.S. I would strongly urge STGmap as the choice. The reason I do is that Tim Lomas is EXTREMELY easy to get along with and this is the 4th time in 3 years he has gone out and figured out how to add a capability to STGmap to support a specific game simply because I asked him to and he has done each upgrade within 3 weeks!<< I agree with you about STGMAP and Tim. Tim is a PBMer by heart, and therefore a lot more receptive to user input. Kevin ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 17:12:51 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions At 3:04 PM 4/17/95, Ron Kleinman wrote re "BSE: IND Positions": >3. Allow some % chance that the controlling IND player's name / position be > ascertained after the battle, perhaps via an examination of the rubble. This > would make it similar to running agents on a colony, who can be caught and > turned. > > > My vote is for #3. I like the idea of allowing backstabs (this is NOT >Nicholas talking) but there should be some risks associated with it. > > Comments? I say not allow IND to be anonymous. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ... Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. ... Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. ... GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) SF, CA 94114-3615 .. ... Petroom (#2713) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. ... <GTT-PD@consensus.com> (call before 9 Pacific) .. ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 21:00:29 -0400 Subject: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To Victory (Werth News Service) - Harry Flashman's Reform Party scored a stunning victory in the Werth General Election held today, garnering 93.7% of the total votes cast. The Rlo Krieger Is A Sex God Party came in second with 0.7% of the vote. A host of minor parties divided the remainder of the vote. Experts, while expecting a Flashman victory, were stunned by the size of the Flashman landslide. Most experts say Flashman's strong anti-Quman stand won him many undecided votes in the last days of the election. "There was a Quman Factor in this election", said George Willis, a noted Werth political expert. "Lord Anton Qutroh's announcement of a boycott of Werth, coupled with Lord Sotchi's constant threats against IND positions, worked to Flashman's benefit. His final campaign slogan ' Vote For Flashman and Tell Qutroh and Sotchi To Get Stuffed' was very effective. It even won over some of the punk girls who started the Rlo Krieger Is A Sex God Party." Another shocking electoral result was the non-binding vote on Werth's traditional neutrality. Over 70% of the voters opted to drop Werth's neutrality and join the WCE. "Again, this is the Quman Factor at work," said Willis. "Their constant threats and aggressive designs convinced most Werth voters that the best way to protect their freedon was to join a strong company." WCE supporters campaigned on the slogan of "Let's Be Men Among Men and Join the WCE". This slogan, as the results show, spoke strongly to most Werth voters. In contrast, the SMS supporters slogan of "Let's be Drag Queens Among Girlie-Boys and Join the SMS" only captured two (2) votes for the SMS. The vote was non-binding, but Lord Protector Flashman has summoned the new House of Commons to a special legislative session tomorrow. Sources indicate that a vote to join the WCE will be taken then. "Werth will either join the WCE tomorrow or become a EEM Sex Haven ruled by the Man-God Rlo," said Willis. "I consider the former the more likely possibility". ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 20:02:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions On Mon, 17 Apr 1995, Christopher Allen wrote: > I say not allow IND to be anonymous. I say not allow anyone to play anonymous. Kerry ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 21:07:21 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities OOC Dear Richard, I think the confusion you see with some of my positions is due to a transition problem (i.e., my ships changed immediately as I process those on a week-to-week basis, while I had to wait for my colony turn to come back before making that switch). Hell, RTG gets enough $$$$ from me without me making extra colony turns (grin). For the record, I have attacked NO ONE in this game ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 21:16:24 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities OOC Dear Richard, OOPS, sent that message too soon . . . So I continue. . . As you can tell from my latest press release, I no longer have any IND positions. This is strictly due to my judgement as to where this game is going. I ain't complaining about RTG, I'm merely reacting to the new game system. God forbid, I ain't accursing them of Fat Boyism. I'll go with the flow in the new game system, and this means there ain't no place for IND players anymore (in my humble judgement). And for the record, I've attacked NO ONE since I started the game. So if IND positions have been hacking at you and the poor QSN, it ain't been me (unfortuately - grin). Actually, Werth was my last position to switch - due to the 4 week lag time in turns. And by the way, could you tell me what IND positions you have (and also your QSN mole positions in the PFM, SMS, GTT, etc)? Regards, Steve D. ------------------------------ From: StephMarte@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 21:16:28 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions Ronk, Let's not change a thing regarding IND rules. If a player gets his jollies cranking out IND WG's to blow up people's hiports, it's $$, let him do it. Eventually he'll tell the wrong person and retribution will be served. No one with any sense would want to run strictly IND positions. They're missing out on all the special abilities you gain when you join an affiliation. If an IND player wanted to play pirate - he'd join the RIP and gain 15 special abilities. Being able to run IND positions is a big plus for all affiliations. It gives you the opportunity to play legitimate QSN merchant and run covert op's on the sly. I *LOVE* the fact that RTG is letting us run our positions as we see fit. GM meddling is what killed BSE when ABM had it. Asking for restrictions is like asking for more government. Not a good idea. Respectfully, Steve Marte ------------------------------ From: BeezerCom@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 21:42:21 -0400 Subject: BSE: EEM HiPort Fiasco We were sorry to hear of the deaths of Kevin l and Kevin ll Beezer. While we were not aware of the existence of these members of the Beezer clan (some of our members spread their seed so casually!), we still wish to publicly honor their memory. The missile show was spectacular, especially since those tightwad GTT suits moaned at their loss of stellars. Sincerely for the Beezer Group, Ma Beezer Franklin Beezer Rlo Beezer Stu Beezer Dax Beezer Lex Beezer Rnold Beezer Augustus Beezer Wayne Beezer Ebeneezer Beezer ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 21:45:14 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... Congrates on your stunning victory Harry... Goes to show, in the end, the bettermen (or gritz) always win! Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ From: Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@cts.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: IND Positions On Mon, 17 Apr 1995 StephMarte@aol.com wrote: > Ronk, > Let's not change a thing regarding IND rules. If a > player gets his jollies cranking out IND WG's to blow up > people's hiports, it's $$, let him do it. Eventually he'll > tell the wrong person and retribution will be served. And do some research (remember that?) to provide hiports some shielding. It's not as if RTG has told people not to imagine any changes to the game that would make some sense, and it's pretty clear with the IND rules now (which I'll bet the GMs will not want to change and most players will want to keep) rather demand such a development. ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 22:52:23 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... Dear Lord Den of Earth, Thank you for your kind message! And congratulations to us, for giving such smashing blows to the forces of aggression in the TH! Regards, Harry ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 22:52:36 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: SSL >!!!BITE ME!!! Donnie baby; you'er really lost me with this one because from what I understand, it's now in the possession of a disgusted Robotic Sheep (who shall remain nameless, the poor thing). BlackJack ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #147 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". 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