BSE Digest v195 #146 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Monday, 17 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 146 In this issue: + Re: BSE: Weird Dreams + Re: BSE: Re: Werth Intelligen... + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + BSE: Planet map symbols + Re: BSE: MEK + Re: BSE: Recent Posts + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities -Reply + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + BSE: Hiports + Re: BSE: EEM HIPORT PRESS RELEASE + Re: BSE: EEM HIPORT PRESS RELEASE + Re: BSE: SSL + Re: BSE: QSN/FGZ Thing + Re: BSE: Planet map symbols See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 12:05:13 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Weird Dreams > Wow, I just had the weirdest dream last night! I dreamt that >none of us really existed, and we were all just part of some weird >"role playing game", whatever that is, and I was nothing more than a >product of some college punks power fantasies! It was really weird! >I guess I put too much garlic on my spaghetti last night! > >Don Guido > You need to get out a little more. ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Re: Werth Intelligen... On Fri, 14 Apr 1995 PROTHORAX@aol.com wrote: > Greetings Blue Whale creature, > We has a snap of many FOE ships in a QSN starport being readyed for delivery > and the alien crew seen or should I say not truely seeeeen drinking stem brew > and talking to the maintance crews?! Yes, it's from orbit but you can make > out there 6 toed shoes and shifting feet/claws of the FOE! > I'm sure this is a mistake as your AFF has stated in the past there not > allined with the FOE. > WELT WASP > Wasp Creature: The lies being spread by the Werth Intelligence (?) Corps are completely unfounded. I would ask that confirmation in the form of scanning reports. We have received reports from unreliable sources that the FOE were rumored to have Cargo Master. Another baseless rumor. But if it is true, then one of our purchasers has some explaining to do. I hope your sources of info are reliable and would be glad to see any info you have on the matter. If you are so concerned about the FOE, I would point out that the FGZ have been sighted piloting Foe Devastators (a guess Baseships aren't enough) in the Transhole. And the FGZ reaction to the taking of a FGZ colony by the FOE has been muted. If you need proof on these two matters we can prove it. Since you are worried about he FOE I would recommend checking with your allies first. Our policy to the FOE is one of caution. I would recommend others do the same. Lord Anton Qutroh Minister of Propaganda ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities On Fri, 14 Apr 1995 RFN2@aol.com wrote: > The QSN did not destroy a RIP corsair (as one of their members, whom I'm > tired of listening to recently stated); it was a Corsair alright, but it was > captured by another NON-QSN ship. Unless there has been another attack I > don't know about. > > BlackJack > "Speedbump on the Info-Superhighway" > Our office is not aware of who exactly captured the RIP Corsair, but it was the QSN who disabled the Corsair and made it ineffective. Our office assumes QSN related forces captured the Corsair, but will look into the matter further. Lord Anton Qutroh Minister of Propaganda ------------------------------ From: Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com> Date: 17 Apr 95 12:52:19 EDT Subject: BSE: Planet map symbols Charles RTG is already using the following symbols on planet maps to represent the listed terrain types: | Flat, Desert, Grasslands, Plains, Mud, Dust, Cultivated, Sand, Smooth o Craters, Broken, Crust > Mountains # Swamp, Forest, Jungle / Ice, Tundra . Sea, Shallows, Molten Rock * Urban or Special Keeping the same symbol has got to be easier. Shannon ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: MEK On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, Cojran Michael wrote: > > A general question here. MEK are jump capabable. So are they considered > 'troops', and thus need full jump training in order to jump from orbit? > Or can they just do it without training? > > Mike Cofran > > Yes. they need jump training still. It is my understanding that they are consider troops for many purposes. What I am not sure of if they get all the bonuses from things like Physical, Combat Infantry, etc. Richard ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Recent Posts On Sat, 15 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > Hear! Hear!! I second what Kerry said... > > I believe that some of us have gone to extremes, (me) but for the most part, > I'm not calling Richard names anymore...at least not online<g>...and the > FGZ/QSN thing affects a lot of people. > > I think in a way, a lot of people are hoping that we'll keep "bitchin" at > each other and not come to blows in the game! > > Bests- > J. > Jack, I think they want us to come to blows and beat each other senseless so they can pick up the scraps <g>. Richard ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities -Reply On Sat, 15 Apr 1995 paulmans@tmn.com wrote: > > Lord Anton, > > Your arguments amuse me to no end. You are trying to go around in > circles to justify your base actions, and are now blustering to recover > from these activities. > > You can pick on anyone you want, as long as you don't do it in WCE > space. Whether or not we have a pact with the FGZ, as a government entity > we have the responsibility to protect those attacked in our space. In > fact, it is more of a duty. > > I suggest you go back to the Periphery where you can hide behind the > Imperial shield. > > sergeant major > Sergeant Major: Our base actions? Up to this date, no QSN ship has fired upon any FGZ ship initially. All battles with the FGZ were triggered by them. I don't want to argue the fine (*cough*) points on whether it was justified or not, because I don't really care. The WCE also has initiated all attacks on QSN ships. My problem with the WCE is that we were told specifically by your Secretary General that the WCE would not be defending FGZ assets in WCE space. If such a policy was changed and an obvious attempt to destroy the SMS stargate was made, it would have reduced hostilities between our two affliations if we had been informed prior to the action. If the WCE choose not to, that is your business, but do not try to claim to be a messanger of peace. Lord Anton Qutroh Minister of Propaganda ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities On Sat, 15 Apr 1995 HarryFlash@aol.com wrote: > Dear Richard, > > FYI, I was once in the SMS (as well as the EEM and RIP). Unlike some > people, I don't carry old grudges. Hell, I had a lot of fun in the "old" > SMS. > I am against the QSN because they are starting a war of aggression. > I am against the "new" SMS because they are aiding the QSN in that war. > Stop your stupid war, then normal relations might again be possible > between IND Werth and the QSN (and SMS). > > Harry Flashman > Lord Protector of IND Werth > Governor Flashman, I am not sure who this Richard fellow is? Sounds like some human scum or that AI computer who occasionally helps me with my taxes (bah and the QSN have a flat tax too). The QSN are not embarking on a war of conquest. In fact, the QSN have not declared war on anyway. But we will seek measured revenge against those we consider our enemies. We will not tolerate destruction of QSN property and we feel we have taken enough. If you believe different so be it. Lord Anton Qutroh Minister of Propaganda OOC: Steve, Can you confirm or deny rumors that you have other characters taking orders from an affliation other than IND? Richard ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:35:20 -0700 Subject: BSE: Hiports - ------------------------------ >>From: philip.breault@com2bbs.com (Philip Breault) >>Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 00:58:00 -0800 >>Subject: BSE: EEM HIPORT PRESS RELEASE >> >>CONTRACTOR ERROR DESTROYS EEM HIPORTS >> >>(15/195) Admiral Jay Seafeather, EEM Director of Security, announced in a >>news conference early this morning at EEM Hypso that destruction of the >>hiports at EEM Hypso and EEM Valka were the result of human error. >> >>According to Admiral Seafeather, the EEM CEO had decided that the hiports >>at the two colonies needed to be replaced due to their age and rising >>maintenance costs. Lord Stu Krieger hired M&M Salvage & Hauling to >>dismantle the hiports and haul off the pieces. M&M told EEM investigators >>that they subcontracted the work to the Beezer twins, Kevin I and Kevin II. >> >>The two brothers took the 25% downpayment for the work, bought two surplus >>war galleys, armed them lightly and then attacked the hiports. The resulting >>explosions triggered EEM and other colonies' defenses, destroying the ships. >>There were no casualties on the ground. >> >>Admiral Seafeather had no idea why the brothers did what they did. He did >>comment that this was a "prime example of what you can expect when you >>use the lowest bidder." >> >>Both hiports have since been replaced with M&M paying part of the cost. >>The remainer of the subcontract fee remains unpaid as the Beezer brothers >> Does this mean that the EEM hiports are REALLY operational, or was this just an amusing in-character posting? Much Thanx, Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Blue Whale MerchantPerson ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:59:19 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: EEM HIPORT PRESS RELEASE At 12:58 AM 4/17/95, Philip Breault wrote re "BSE: EEM HIPORT PRESS RELEASE": >CONTRACTOR ERROR DESTROYS EEM HIPORTS > >(15/195) Admiral Jay Seafeather, EEM Director of Security, announced in a >news conference early this morning at EEM Hypso that destruction of the >hiports at EEM Hypso and EEM Valka were the result of human error. > >According to Admiral Seafeather, the EEM CEO had decided that the hiports >at the two colonies needed to be replaced due to their age and rising >maintenance costs. Lord Stu Krieger hired M&M Salvage & Hauling to >dismantle the hiports and haul off the pieces. M&M told EEM investigators >that they subcontracted the work to the Beezer twins, Kevin I and Kevin II. > >The two brothers took the 25% downpayment for the work, bought two surplus >war galleys, armed them lightly and then attacked the hiports. The resulting >explosions triggered EEM and other colonies' defenses, destroying the ships. >There were no casualties on the ground. > >Admiral Seafeather had no idea why the brothers did what they did. He did >comment that this was a "prime example of what you can expect when you >use the lowest bidder." > >Both hiports have since been replaced with M&M paying part of the cost. >The remainer of the subcontract fee remains unpaid as the Beezer brothers Does this mean that you'll repay us for the 18,448 missles that were spent "defending" your hiport when it was attacked because GTT Gaspree had EEM Valka on our defend/support list? Or do you just wish not to be on our defend/support list? As it was, since the attack was done by an IND, we were beginning to feel that DTR's IND policies may have a point. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ... Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. ... Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. ... GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) SF, CA 94114-3615 .. ... Petroom (#2713) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. ... <GTT-PD@consensus.com> (call before 9 Pacific) .. ------------------------------ From: Scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 14:57:11 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: EEM HIPORT PRESS RELEASE > >As it was, since the attack was done by an IND, we were beginning to feel >that DTR's IND policies may have a point. > > Why so you can waste ANOTHER 18,448 missiles on the next IND ship that enters orbit? ------------------------------ From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 15:24:40 EST Subject: Re: BSE: SSL > And, YES I AM CALLING YOU A CHEATER! A LOW-LIFE! A COWARD! A CROOK! AND, JUST PLAIN DUMB! > > What ya gonna do about it, try to wipe out another non-spacefaring race? > > BlackJack Yer pushin' it, FlackFlap. All I need is an excuse, and the boys hit the street. In the immortal words of Capt Scragg (and Crow T. Robot); !!! BITE ME !!! Don Guido ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 16:40:07 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN/FGZ Thing Excellent hunting, I see. ------------------------------ From: chazz@cais.cais.com (Charles Meredith) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 16:54:23 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Planet map symbols >Charles > >RTG is already using the following symbols on planet maps >to represent the listed terrain types: > > | Flat, Desert, Grasslands, Plains, Mud, Dust, Cultivated, Sand, Smooth > o Craters, Broken, Crust > > Mountains > # Swamp, Forest, Jungle > / Ice, Tundra > . Sea, Shallows, Molten Rock > * Urban or Special > >Keeping the same symbol has got to be easier. What I was referring to was how do you tell the difference between Flat and Desert? If the symbol for both is '|', it will be very difficult.... ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #146 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-bse-list": subscribe bse-digest local-bse-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "bse-digest" in the commands above with "bse-list". Up