BSE Digest v195 #159 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Monday, 24 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 159 In this issue: + BSE: Who's Who + Re: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? + Re: BSE: The Great GTT Give-a... + BSE: Excessive Quotes + BSE: Jinx + Re: BSE: Northcape + Re: BSE: Poker Night + Re: BSE: TCA Treaty? + Re: BSE: Northcape + Re: BSE: Poker Night + Re: BSE: Jinx + Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-li... + Re: BSE: turns + BSE: Grow Up? + Re: BSE: Re:Kamikaze Tactics + Re: BSE: Jinx + BSE: Poker night + Re: BSE: turns + BSE: WCE Restricted Areas + Re: BSE: WCE Restricted Areas See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:17:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: BSE: Who's Who Beyond the Stellar Empire (BSE) List/Digest Members Active US Players (RTG Version) - ------------------------------- wayne.alexander@linxinc.com Wayne Alexander (EEM PD) gtt-pd@consensus.com Chris Allen (GTT PD) 74642.2475@compuserve.com Jason Arnold (FGZ) tandmb@sierra.net Tony Baldacci (FGZ) rboggs@isisph.com Russ Boggs (IND) btb4@lehigh.edu Brad Braun (USS) philip.breault@com2bbs.com Phil Breault (EEM) law2be@aol.com Rick Burningham (SMS) ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org Chip Charnley (WCE) richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu Richard Chiang (QSN) v176@rex.uokhsc.edu Todd Clapp (ICN PD) cojran@ucsub.colorado.edu Mike Cofran (AFT) bill_combs@ccm.jf.intel.com Bill Combs (AFT) prothorax@aol.com Dave Cromer (WSP PD) 76114.3576@compuserve.com Kevin Curnutt (WCE) harryflash@aol.com Steve DeSante (WCE) scragg@infi.net Joe Eckhout (IND) pelliscaz@aol.com Paul Ellis (AFT) timenright@aol.com Tim Enright (WCE) lordzefir@aol.com Gene Ferguson (EKN) jackmyster@aol.com Jack Ferguson (FGZ PD) noakrieger@aol.com Jim Gagliardi (EEM) jgof4p1@s1.csc.peachnet.edu Jason Goff (SSL PD) regstu@sun.cc.westga.edu Richard Gurley (MYR) gstarrh@umich.edu George Hammond (USS) kerry@io.com Kerry Harrison (KZK PD) zu02380@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu Alan Hatcher (AFT) bhendrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca Bill Hendrick (QSN) henry4633@aol.com Peter Henry (QSN) 74103.375@compuserve.com Jerry Holmes (WCE) bhopkins@teleport.com Bill Hopkins (WCE) 72570.650@compuserve.com Jay Ibbitson (EKN PD) 76170.2705@compuserve.com Dave Isaac (AFT) michael.keane@maf.nasa.gov Mike Keane (FOE) * ron.kleinman@eng.sun.com Ron Kleinman (QSN) tandmb@sierra.net Josh Knapp (WCE) pkrauskopf@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil Phil Krauskopf (WCE PD) 73240.2556@compuserve.com Carl Linquist (USS PD) vlloyd@ima.infomail.com Vickie Lloyd (EEM) 76311.2317@compuserve.com Richard Loutzenheiser (SAM) 74551.3412@compuserve.com Chris Makowski (FGZ) paulmans@tmn.com Paul Mansfield (WCE) 76422.3260@compuserve.com Roger Markle (AFT) stephmarte@aol.com Steve Marte (WCE) ludendorf@delphi.com Steve Mathews (ISP PD) chazz@cais.com Charles Meredith (WCE) cmiddlet@ssbpost.env.gov.bc.ca Charles Middleton (SMS) monsons@hooked.com Gordon Monson (FGZ) 72073.1602@compuserve.com Joe Moreno (AFT) rfn2@aol.com Rob Neal (FET PD) grendle@mindspring.com Bill Peltier (USS) cyberdragon@fquest.com Richard Persky (FOE) 70511.64@compuserve.com Don Pierce (SAM PD) fk490@cleveland.freenet.edu Paul Postak (USS) record_doug@tandem.com Doug Record (AFT) 72632.2104@compuserve.com Kenneth Reeves (KZK) dougmr@aol.com Vernon Rothrock (ROC) 75477.1627@compuserve.com Shannon Rundquist (MYR PD) 71001.426@compuserve.com Joe Sanchez (WCE) pauls@realm.net Paul Schneider (WCE) wsenke@sonalysts.com William Senke (MYR) * 72477.3213@compuserve.com Mike Shepard (SAM) derek_smith.lotus@crd.lotus.com Derek Smith (SMS) 74023.574@compuserve.com Richard Smith (MYR) * jstanton@qualcomm.com John Stanton (SMS) jeffstout@aol.com Jeff Stout (ZCS PD) mtamen@aol.com Mark Tamen (IND) tyrrell@netcom.com Patrick Tyrrell (ICN) dwampler@aol.com Doug Wampler (SMS PD) marilith1@aol.com Wade Wheaton (FOE) ziemer@mcs.com Eric Ziemer (QSN) Active UK Players (KJC Version) - ------------------------------- rboggs@isisph.com Russ Boggs (DOM) mbuckle@delphi.com Mark Buckle (DOM PD) bcd@pvv.unit.no Bent Dalager (SMS) cezton@nvg.unit.no Kjetil Friden (IMP) 94ut13@chestud.chalmers.se Peter Norberg (AFT) larssto@alkymi.unit.no Lars Erik Stokka (SSL) GMs (either version) - -------------------- rtgthad@aol.com Thad Catone (RTG GM) 100412.2424@compuserve.com Kevin Cropper (KJC GM) rtgames@aol.com Pete Dorman (RTG GM) Others - ------ anderson@newton.apple.com Eric Anderson alb@cwa.com Anders Beitness jce@icon.net Jim Elliott mhughes@pms144.pms.ford.com Mark Hughes dragon_star@delphi.com Allen Hunter mladley@aol.com Mark Ladley pmcl@cts.com Pat McLaughlin sbach11@aol.com Steve Messer walt@solgrp.chi.il.us Walt Pesch pyrich@cris.com John Pyrich 100437.3137@compuserve.com Hendrik Siegeln csc2bds@cabell.vcu.edu Ben Swain ronw@tsd.itg.ti.com Ronald Wentworth mike_williams@pc.radian.com Mike Williams Notes: * - Active BSE Player, but not subscribed to the BSE List or BSE Digest. ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? On Thu, 20 Apr 1995 RFN2@aol.com wrote: > Where the $%&^*( is system 120? > > Rob > Woops. Someone in the WCE let some information slip. The WCE used their wormhole generator to make a connection to the Jinx system. There used to be a stargate there but it uhh disappeared. The Jinx system is therefore unconnected but is connected to another system!! Have fun. Richard ps. Use korondite to get yourself into the system through the wormhole. ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: The Great GTT Give-a... On Sat, 22 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > <It is obvious that the FGZ have nothing the GTT want either.> > > Richard, ever thought about running for office? I mean, your a natrual, > instead of addressing a valid point, you bring up something that has nothing > to do with the point...in order to shift the conversation...Again, address > what was said... > > <.tell us what on earth the QSN would have over any other AFF that the GTT > would want to "sell" a 1000 fact. colony??> > > J. > Low Blow. As for the sale, it really isn't any of your business. We aren't really keeping the details secret, but I am surely not going to respond to your request because you demanded it and call me names to get it. Grow up. Richard ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:00:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: BSE: Excessive Quotes I've had a few requests to post a message asking people to refrain from excessive quoting of the messages they are replying to. So if y'all would take this into consideration when replying to messages it would be appreciated. Thanks, Kerry Harrison BSE-List Admin ------------------------------ From: pkrauskopf@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:28:16 -0400 Subject: BSE: Jinx >>Richard >>ps Use korondite to get yourself into the system through the wormhole. Typical Quman respect for other people's property. ANYONE who uses that wormhole without permission will be dead. Treyder ------------------------------ From: "Cap'n Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 21:06:50 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Northcape > Why you're pulling this crap, I don't know. What you hope to accomplish >by starting lie, I'm not sure. But, i'm not gonna let you continue to spread this lie, >without a fight. Hey, I'm just telling it the way it REALLY happened. I remember it quite well due to the fact the IMP voided the treaty EXACTLY one year to the day it was ratified. It was not possible to void it before that date under the "Old policies" since it was written into the treaty that it could not be voided or changed for one year. I believe the specific reasons stated by the IMP had something to do with the FOE acting up, they IMPs didn't want to recognize the TCA as a Government but rather the individual members (the divide and conqure thing I guess). Another big factor was the pressure the SSL put on the IMPs for allowing the TCA to come in and flatten one of their colonies during the brief SSL/TCA war. I'm still saying you have it wrong. If you read the TCA charter, any one member (me at the time) can not make or void a treaty without a total consensus of the other TCA leaders for the TCA. Hence saying I voided the treaty is not only incorrect, it was not possible. Joe ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 22:53:26 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Poker Night I'll be there! Don Whino, You comming? BlackJack ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 00:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: TCA Treaty? > P.S> WARNING: There were at least Two doctored versions of the Treaty being > circulated between (1991 and 1992) that I know of. Be sure you have an > original or at least one you all agree on.(sigh) Steve Messer (?), The only copy I've ever seen is the one uploaded on compuserve. Is this one of the "doctored" versions? If it is, where is an original (if you know of one), uploaded.... that I can access. This CIS copy is the one the IMP (under me) has abided by and gone by. S.Mathews ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 00:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Northcape Joe, either produce your alleged letter, or knock off the b.s. My address is 1014 Crest Park Dr. Garland, Tx 75042 or you can fax it to: 214-864-0845 If you have what I think you have, you have a "threat" to void the treaty, from one of my predecessors, and nothing more. S.M. ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 22:58:01 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Poker Night Noa; IF YOU CAN SHUFFLE, YOU CAN PLAY POKER WITH US!!! BlackJack ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 23:13:10 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Jinx Mr Treyder; Would you please list the areas of THole space that the WCE control that are forbidden to all others without express permission from your office. I imagine you can start the list with Jinx. Also, if you could please list anything which you consider "illegal" in WCE space which is not illegal in the Periphery. Many thanks BlackJack PS Do you play poker? ------------------------------ From: RTGThad@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-li... This "Good Times" crap is just that .. crap .. viruses can't be contracted from reading EMail. ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 07:22 WET DST Subject: Re: BSE: turns >>Just a thought guys. >>I know that we are all getting a little impatient with the speed at which >>everything is happening with BSE...but I truly believe Pete and Thad are >>doing their best. >>Y'all may just want to cut them a little "slack"... > > >And if _that_ doesn't work, try imagining where you'd be if ABM was still >"running" the game. > >(There, do you feel better about RTG? - grin) > Oh, I don't know... If RTG weren't running BSE, I wouldn't be in it at all and sometimes my pocketbook and my wife tell me that would be a GOOD thing! :-) Chip ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 07:28:32 -0400 Subject: BSE: Grow Up? <Low Blow. As for the sale, it really isn't any of your business. We aren't really keeping the details secret, but I am surely not going to respond to your request because you demanded it and call me names to get it. Grow up. Richard> Richard: First...I don't see anything in there were I call you any names...I merely poi nted out a career opertunaty that I felt you would excel in...I mean, some of us have to work at being evasive.<g> As for the GTT deal...I asked about it to prove a point. Your just helping me along in that point... As for "Grow Up"....well, I think I'll just skip that one. But your bordering on "personal attacks" IMHO. J. ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 17:28:00 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Re:Kamikaze Tactics I can. Had a friend who flew an F-4 Wild Weasel (electronic warfare aircraft) over Iraqi air bases to identify, locate, and jam search radars. His wingman used HARM's to take out the AAA radars AFTER they started firing. He lost a good friend over one of the central airfields, a Brit in a Tornado going after aircraft bunkers. There is a difference between suicide (putting a gun to your own head) and very high risk military missions. Want to bet that some smart player couldn't figure out a way to take out a highport and not get killed (say maybe using Korondite). Just my two cents. Mike, Theres a difference between high risk and certain death. Flying just about any type of military aircraft in a conflict is high risk. ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:04:09 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: BSE: Jinx On Sun, 23 Apr 1995 RFN2@aol.com wrote: > Mr Treyder; > > Would you please list the areas of THole space that the WCE control that are > forbidden to all others without express permission from your office. I > imagine you can start the list with Jinx. Also, if you could please list > anything which you consider "illegal" in WCE space which is not illegal in > the Periphery. > > Many thanks > BlackJack > > PS Do you play poker? > > > Mr Treyder I would also like to see such a list or is it WCE policy to shoot first and inform of an offence later. Just what are you guys hiding in the Jinx system anyway. Bill ------------------------------ From: vlloyd@ima.infomail.com (Vickie Lloyd) Date: 03 Jan 00 23:08:17 -0600 Subject: BSE: Poker night My dear Noa-- Yes, you're right--two pair does beat three of a kind. Why don't you come to China Grove and play poker with me? Big game Saturday night at Funky Butt Hall rec center. We'll save you a spot. I'll even write up a copy of the rules right quick for you. yadda The Bird ########################################################################### # INTERNET UUCP GATEWAY: This message was sent from Fidonet to Internet # # via the UUCP gateway. All messages are not the # # opinions of the operator of the node of origin! # ########################################################################### ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:39:43 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE: turns >Just a thought guys. >I know that we are all getting a little impatient with the speed at which >everything is happening with BSE...but I truly believe Pete and Thad are >doing their best. >Y'all may just want to cut them a little "slack"... Wait a minute. I wasn't *complaining* about the turn around time at all. Life is rosy. I save money (g), and there's always a turn lying around somewhere that I need to fill out. With all the work that they're doing on rules, it's pretty amazing that there isn't a 2 week delay on turns. I don't think that they're sleeping much in that corner of Colorado. - --Russ ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:00:53 -0400 Subject: BSE: WCE Restricted Areas Currently, the WCE enforces the following restrictions: 1. Travel/entry into any space square of Lemke outside of 1845 and its eight surrounding space squares is strictly prohibited. This is by treaty with the Catrark, and is strictly enforced by both them and us. Even THC members are subject to this restriction. Permission to violate this this restriction cannot be given by anyone. 2. Travel anywhere inside Porkette is strictly prohibited without expressed permission of myself, the WCE War Secretary, or the governor of Merconia. These people will coordinate said permission with the AIS. 3. Incidvu, in the Porcine system is not open to exploration or further development. This status may change in the near future, pending th esuccessful conclusion of certain negotiations. 4. At this point, Jinx is not restricted, just difficult to get to. What IS prohibited is the use of the WCE wormhole to get there. If ships show up there, they'd BETTER be able to prove they didn't use our wormhole. 5. Possession of protospheres by non-WCE positions is strictly prohibited. 6. In general, possession of any bio-chemical warfare agents within the Empire is strictly prohibited, without the expressed permission of the WCE War Secretary. 7. WCE drug policies are very similar to those of the Stellar Empire. 8. Initiating battle with WCE ships in WCE sovereignty is also strictly prohibted. One final note: There exists a copy of the WCE laws established by previous administrations. While these laws are currently undergoing revision, if you follow them you won't go wrong. Lord Horst Treyder General Secretary Whitehole Colonial Empire PS-- Poker was required coursework at the AFT academy when I went there, so of course I play! However, I won't go anywhere near Mikel's place; he'd probably have me arrested. I wonder if there's any way I can get him to bet my resignation approval <g>... ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:33:28 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: WCE Restricted Areas To: H. Treyder, WCE From: H. Celine, USS ...Message repeats...WYYYYYYH...We are Celine...ECCCCCCU...request clarification of laws...LJJJJJJR...like sheep sleeping...OXXXXXXT...#4 imply guilt unless proved innocent?...VYYYYYH...killings are growth...EZZZZZZZE...WCE claiming exclusivity of protospheres...SWWWWWWWA...with good cause...HKKKKKKD...or just not in WCE space?...EIIIIIIF...dervish fun bleeding...ESSSSSSSU...Message Repeats...PYYYYYYN...Message repeats...WYYYYYYH... Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #159 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". To unsubscribe from the bse-digest send the command: unsubscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-bse-list": subscribe bse-digest local-bse-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "bse-digest" in the commands above with "bse-list". Up