BSE Digest v195 #157 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Friday, 21 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 157 In this issue: + BSE: I'm Back + BSE: Poker & ACCC + Re: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? + Re: BSE: Northcape + Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... + BSE: QSN + Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... + Re: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics + BSE: Please don't pass on these warnings + Re: BSE: QSN + Re: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics + Re: BSE: Northcape + BSE: turns + Re: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? + Re: BSE: Werthless News + Re: BSE: The Great GTT Give-a-way!! + BSE: Nicholas Van Rijn + BSE: Error Condition Re: STGmap with GIF + Re: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? + BSE: Re:Kamikaze Tactics + Re: BSE: turns + Re: BSE:Kamikaze Tactics See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wayne.alexander@linxinc.com (Wayne Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:17:00 GMT Subject: BSE: I'm Back If you're reading this then my Internet server is back on-line. Please direct all mail to my Internet address: wayne.alexander@linxinc.com Thank you. Wayne - --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ EEM: Shipwrights to the Stars for over 150 years! ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 23:28:48 -0400 Subject: BSE: Poker & ACCC Dumb Whineo; Rematch? You got it, Punk! BlackJack ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 23:39:19 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? Where the $%&^*( is system 120? Rob ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 23:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Northcape > I was that person and the treaty was voided by the IMPs. You have it > wrong. CapT. Skragg, You were a ZCS Grey Prince? I hardly think so. A Grey Prince is a ruler of nations, not a mere IND starcaptain. von Ludendorf - ---------------------- OOC: Joe, Seperate yourself from the character. Steve p.s. I was the IMP you told on the phone that you, as representative of the TCA, refused to renew the treaty. At the very end of NY's version of BSE, only Shannon of the MYR remained active as a political character. As the only TCA representative, he and I spoke and decided to reinstate the treaty you had discarded so casually. If you want to deny this, fine..... I don't care, and I won't argue this further with you..... Homey don't play that. ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 23:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... Gov. Flashman, Now that the Werth parliment has voted to join the WCE, and the WCE has voted to accept Werth, will you be filing the official request with the IMP government to become WCE, under terms of the WCE-IMP treaty? Or will you ask the WCE to do this on your behalf? Joe Bob Briggs UPI News ------------------------------ From: Commodore Bragan <70511.64@compuserve.com> Date: 20 Apr 95 23:48:12 EDT Subject: BSE: QSN On April 19, 1995 Richard Chiang wrote: <I think the THC with the SAM against profile....> (And a bunch of other silly stuff.) Richard, My response to you is the same one I used to give Tony Filiato: We are all very sorry that we are not playing the SAM the way you want them played. (For those aliens out there not familiar with the human tongue, this is called heavy sarcasm). Alas, your facts are not quite right with regards to the PGJ. On Feburary 15, Zozer (Mike Wganer) wrote to me, and I quote: We will not be ruled by a Queen Mother ever again. I believe this was before the loss of the PGJ asset, which wasnt done by the SAM anyway. I use the singular asset advisedly, since the ship in question certainly was not PGJ. Of course, Im not sure of the sequence since we do not have any battle reports. Don Pierce P.S. Congratulations, you win the prize as the first to drag me into these endless out of character discussions. ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 19:38:43 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... Dear Lord Soteki, Honor is, among other things, defending innocent victims of aggression. That is why the people of Werth voted to join the WCE. This is why you Qumans are currently without honor. And my, how you Qumans whine when you see opinions you don't like posted on this board. This board is not controlled by your Minister of Lies. So you better get use to seeing opinions that are not approved by Anton Qutroh posted here. Stop reading them, if you so choose. But don't think your whining is going to stop me from expressing my honest opinions. Regards, Harry ------------------------------ From: Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@cts.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, Scragg wrote: > I always thought suicide attacks where kind of lame anyway! How many > people in the military do you know who would have piloted a plane of > Iraq knowing they would get shot down just to see what the air > defenses where like? I can't think of a single one. Suicidal combat is not an American norm. It has been in a variety of cultures., at various times. Dying for God, etc.... OTOH, it's perfectly acceptable for Americans to die to the last man in some defensive situations (re: The Alamo). Just because _we_ think it's senseless doesn't mean other humans --or alies!--would agree. ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:21:40 -0700 Subject: BSE: Please don't pass on these warnings This AOL message is an old hoax that is now over a year old, and is still re-occuring. Folks, I'm going to issue both a plea AND a request here, and then shut up: The Plea: Don't just post this sort of thing because it seems important to get the word out. Do some basic research first. Don't just check with the person who posted it and asked for it to be forwarded -- go back to the original author. If you can't identify the REAL author (not the latest to have forwarded the message) to verify it, then the thing is a hoax. That is THE easiest way to identify a hoax: whoever sent it out isn't taking responsibility for the message. If you can't verify the accuracy of the message with the original author, then don't pass it along. In general, if you think about it, it makes SENSE to verify it anyway. Information changes rapidly, and if it IS legit, the author probably has an updated release and THAT should be posted instead. If you aren't sure, ask me. Or check with the List Mom of whatever list you're thinking of posting to. I'm pretty well plugged into both the Internet and Macintosh infrastructures. Ask before posting. Don't be a lemming. Two hours while we check the veracity of the problem won't kill you or the Internet, and it can save an amazing amount of hassle, sweat and anxiety on everyone's part. That's the plea. Here's the request: HELP US STAMP OUT THESE DAMN HOAX MESSAGES. Charles Hymes has written a web page on hoax messages: http://www.crew.umich.edu/~chymes/newusers/Think.html Check it out. Pass it along to others. If you run into a hoax, don't pass it along. Beyond that, though, go BACK to the person who posted the hoax and make sure they KNOW it was a hoax. Educate them. Go back to the lists where the hoax was posted and make sure all of the users THERE know it was a hoax. Ask them to break the chain. Ask THEM to educate themselves and think about it. Ask everyone who got the message, or who passed it along, to go to those places and pass the message and to educate. We need to start pushing back on these things. At best, they're an amazing nuisance. At worst -- well, imagine being the poor people at Craig Shergold's hospital (another internet hoax). They're at 11 MILLION postcards and counting, and that sucker is eight or nine years out of date and still going strong. Imagine the people who saw the AOL "Good Times" hoax and believed it, and the gyrations and anxiety they've gone through. Simply sitting back and not passing things along hasn't worked. We need to get people motivated to work back to the source of these things and step on them. We need to educate users on how to deal with them. These hoaxes DEPEND on well-meaning but naive users to survive. Let's attack the naive part -- especially since what the well-meaning but naive user usually GETS is jumped on, leaving them upset, confused and bitter. Let's not just sit back and let this stuff win. The two things to keep in mind: 1) The harder the message pushes you to post it quickly, and the more it encourages you to post it to as many people/places/lists/newsgroups as possible, the more likely it's a hoax. The more hysterical the message, the less likely it's true. 2) CHECK WITH THE AUTHOR. Get an updated version. Find out the latest. And if you can't IDENTIFY the author from the message, then assume it's a hoax and kill it. REAL problems are identified by real people, and those real people will make sure they can be found. If you can't find them, don't believe them. And any time anyone has a question on these things, PLEASE feel free to talk to me privately. I'll be happy to help you get answers or find the person who can get the answer for you. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ...Christopher Allen Consensus Development Corporation.. ...<ChristopherA@consensus.com> 4104-24th Street #419.. ... San Francisco, CA 94114-3615.. ...<http://www.consensus.com:8300/> o415/647-6383 f415/647-6384.. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:06:09 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN <Congratulations, you win the prize as the first to drag me into these endless out of character discussions.> Uh Oh.... Boy Richard, now you've done it! J. ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:08:20 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics >Suicidal combat is not an American norm. It has been in a variety of >cultures., at various times. Dying for God, etc.... Actually it's not a humen norm. Mans survival instinct is quite good. The only time people will set that aside is if they are crazy or if they are convinced by someone (who usually ISN'T suicidal) that their death will gain them a greater reward in the next life. ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:19:37 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Northcape >I was the IMP you told on the phone that you, as representative of the TCA, >refused to renew the treaty. At the very end of NY's version of BSE, only >Shannon of the MYR remained active as a political character. As the only >TCA representative, he and I spoke and decided to reinstate the treaty you >had discarded so casually. If you want to deny this, fine..... I don't care, >and I won't argue this further with you..... Homey don't play that. Steve: Actually I recieved a letter from the IMP stating all the reasons they where voiding the treaty. Jeff Stout has been playing the ZCS since I left so Shanon was never the only TCA member. Since I'm no longer in the TCA I have no reason to distort the past. You can do your IMP revisionist history if you like but I'll be around to straighten you out. You don't need to argue the point any longer because your wrong. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:20:50 +0000 Subject: BSE: turns Whats the turn around time been on turns lately? ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 09:46:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? On Thu, 20 Apr 1995 RFN2@aol.com wrote: > Where the $%&^*( is system 120? Nowhere, it's not directly connected to any of the (as the WSP would say) major areas of gathering and is only reachable via such things as say a wormhole. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Werthless News On Wed, 19 Apr 1995 HarryFlash@aol.com wrote: > Now who wants to steal systems in the TH? The Qumans! > > Now who lies about their intentions? The Qumans! > Governor Flashman, The Qumans do not desire any systems in the transhole or elsewhere. The only system we are concerned about controlling at the present time is Drell. Control of all other systems is interesting, but is not of primary importance. We are much more concerned with our freedom of travel and colonization. As for lying about our intentions, I would point out that you did not reveal your WCE connections until someone else pointed them out to you. How convienant. Then again if you did point out your WCE connections, then you could not play yourself off as that neutral party which you aren't. Concerning the deal with the GTT. You may ask the GTT for their permission. I have no problem in publishing the details with the exception of a few tech items and such. Please have the TH Accords forwarded to me with ALL its details for my records in return. Lord Anton Qutroh Minister of Propaganda ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 09:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: The Great GTT Give-a-way!! On Thu, 20 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > Come one Chris and Richard...tell us what on earth the QSN would have over > any other AFF that the GTT would want to "sell" a 1000 fact. colony?? > It is obvious that the FGZ have nothing the GTT want either. ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 21 Apr 95 11:35:07 -0600 Subject: BSE: Nicholas Van Rijn On April 20, Ron Kleinman sent: > <Disclaimer: The following message is sent as a private citizen, not as a > member of any particular affiliation. > > > <snip> > > My Dear V'Ril T'Bak, > > Not my fight really, but the way you define the strategy under which FOE >plans are developed and future actions decided ... well the closest thing to >it we Qumans have is the mathematical concept of the "drunkard's walk". > > See .. the drunk stumbles from lampost to tree, clutching wildly at each as >he gets there. No one can predict which way he will head, or whether he will >complete the next stagger successfully. Everything is random. Eventually of >course he simply misses and goes down for the final time. > > Interesting to watch while it's underway though. > > > Respectfully, > > Nicholas Van Rijn > MerchantPerson Nicholas Van Rijn, I expected better understanding of the situation from you. Alas you are merely human, even if significantly above average in intelligence (why else would the QSN allow you join them?). Your pitiful human math does not have the sophistication or depth necessary to express the true beauty and order that properly understood chaos represents. What your meager intellect can only perceive as randomness is actually individual freedom. I recognize that few humans will understand the concepts of individual freedom and personal responsibility. You seem only too happy to surrender both to you bureaucratic companies and dictatorial Imperium. I interpreted your personal move to the freedom loving QSN as a sign of improved intelligence in at least some humans. Trade well and die rich. Courteously, V'Ril T'Bak ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 15:50 WET DST Subject: BSE: Error Condition Re: STGmap with GIF The version of STGmap that will make GIF files of the screen shot (map but not notes/menu bar) is now available on CIS. Note that the way to make a GIF file of the screen is to push the G key. WHile this is in the DOCs it is not obvious. Chip [100014,1767] Tim Lomas / STG=7F STGMAP.ZIP Bin, Bytes: 355200, Count: 69, 23-Jan-95(19-Apr-95) Title : STGMap v3.8, Shareware, IBM Keywords: STGMAP STG MAP SHAREWARE LOMAS IBM STGMap is a PC utility allowing maps to be designed using hexes in any orientation or squares. Background patterns, foreground symbols, terrain modifiers, roads, rivers and borders may be overlaid V3.8 reinstates screen dumping to GIF files, STGPrint & Libs are not affected STGMap is a PC utility allowing maps to be designed using hexes in any orientation or squares. Background patterns, foreground symbols, ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 16:08 WET DST Subject: Re: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? Inaccessable to most people. :-( Chip >Where the $%&^*( is system 120? > >Rob > > ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 21 Apr 95 15:35:38 -0600 Subject: BSE: Re:Kamikaze Tactics On April 20, "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> wrote: >Actually I agree. A morale check before a suicide mission sounds >reasonable to me. I also would not call this GM "interference", I'd >call it a rule! BSE is a game, games have rules. > >I always thought suicide attacks where kind of lame anyway! How many >people in the military do you know who would have piloted a plane of >Iraq knowing they would get shot down just to see what the air >defenses where like? I can't think of a single one. > >Joe Joe, I can. Had a friend who flew an F-4 Wild Weasel (electronic warfare aircraft) over Iraqi air bases to identify, locate, and jam search radars. His wingman used HARM's to take out the AAA radars AFTER they started firing. He lost a good friend over one of the central airfields, a Brit in a Tornado going after aircraft bunkers. There is a difference between suicide (putting a gun to your own head) and very high risk military missions. Want to bet that some smart player couldn't figure out a way to take out a highport and not get killed (say maybe using Korondite). Just my two cents. Mike K. ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:44:02 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE: turns >Whats the turn around time been on turns lately? They usually show up 5 days later than I expect them to. In other words, the new rules appear to slow things down slightly. ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:54:57 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE:Kamikaze Tactics >On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, Scragg wrote: > >> I always thought suicide attacks where kind of lame anyway! How many >> people in the military do you know who would have piloted a plane of >> Iraq knowing they would get shot down just to see what the air >> defenses where like? I can't think of a single one. > >Suicidal combat is not an American norm. It has been in a variety of >cultures., at various times. Dying for God, etc.... British and Italian and Japanese midget subs. The operators knew they weren't coming back. One of the carrier battles in the Pacific involved a launch near dusk where everybody going off the carriers knew they were going to have to ditch (no night landings in those days) The torpedo bomber attacks on the Japanese carriers at Midway. The Dieppe raid. (Or was that British generals ordering Canadian troops?) Actually, yes, I can imagine an American pilot volunteering to probe enemy air defenses. Plus, it's reasonable to assume that these spaceships have escape pods built in, but since they would have no meaning in game terms, there aren't rules to cover them. If you assume that the captain stays with his ship, then the escape of individual crew members is irrelevant. - --Russ ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #157 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". 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