BSE Digest v195 #156 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Thursday, 20 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 156 In this issue: + Re: BSE:IND + Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com + BSE: Poker & ACCC + Re: BSE: Virus + Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com + BSE:Kamakaze Tactics + Re: BSE: Virus + Re: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics + Re: BSE:Kamikaze Attacks + Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com + Re: BSE:Kamikaze Attacks + Re: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics + Re: BSE: Werthless News + Re: BSE: SMS comments + BSE: Fe Fi FOE Fum + BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? + BSE: Missile launchers? + Re: BSE: Werth + Re: BSE: More Werthless Events + BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #154 See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:15:55 EDT Subject: Re: BSE:IND Richard, You are taking the extreme case. In such instances I believe that I have made it clear that I agree with you. The point is that, in such a case, the AFF in question would be tracked back to and held accountable. On the other hand, if I wanted to start my hypothetical IND "pirate" (also a self serving interest), I would fully expect the USS to post the ship if I just "took" the asset. I would target it at all of my USS colonies. IND positions were run for years by folks in AFFs. All positions were "anonymous" until FB decided he didn't want to deal with 3X5 cards be tween players anymore. He added the "run by" line as a "service" to any player who wished to be contacted. Do you have a reason for believing that, for some reason, INDs are substantially more dangerous now than they were before? Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:21:19 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com Phil, ROFLTIP Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:23:36 EST Subject: BSE: Poker & ACCC Hey BoogerJerk, Anytime you want a rematch! This time we use Stu's cards. If he'll let us back to his house. How 'bout it, Stu? We'll behave ourselves this time, I promise! Unless that cheatin' welcher SOB starts somethin'. Mikel, we ain't tryin' to steal ALL your money! Just most of it. Anyway, I thought I saw Whispers sneakin' off with one of Stu's maids. And we ain't movin' Dogleg unless we bring the stargate, too! Maybe if got a whole buncha' ships with tractor beams... Don Guido ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:24:15 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Virus Phil, Poorly played. Until you posted your retraction, I thought you were just bringing up an old joke. For about 3 minutes, I was really admiring your sick sense of humor (...how many people from AOL/Sierra can I frighten?...how many rants can I get started?...etc.) Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:36:39 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com There are three kinds of people in the world: 1. Those that immediately recognized the "Good times" virus as a hoax when it was first reported on CNN. They laughed. They sneered at people's extreme stupidity. They still shudder when they think back to that day in '79 when the tape drive on their Trash-80 crapped out. They remember when CGA was Hotel Sierra. They know that until someone creates a wetware jack, all this talk about VR is a bunch of BS. They prefer DOS to Windows, but know that Unix is boss. They use CI$, but can't stand the fact that most of it's users know didily about computers. 2. Those that panicked when they heard. They have no idea why such a virus SHOULDN'T work. They aren't sure what a CPU is. They have difficulty programming their VCRs, let alone writing a few lines of C. They got their first machine within the last 4 years (probably at Sears or Circuit City and probably a Packard Bell). These people are big on AOL & Prodigy. To their families, they are "the computer experts." They think BOB is really groovy - finally someone made that awful Windows usable. 3. Those that started wearing gloves and spraying their machines with disinfectant when they found out that computers can get "viruses". Oh yeah - I'm selling sheep at Quay (stormgate 4) for *5. 2K on the market now, but I 'll get you all you want. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: "Richard A. Loutzenheiser" <76311.2317@compuserve.com> Date: 20 Apr 95 13:15:47 EDT Subject: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics This forum is incredible. On one hand people berate me that each position is independent of every other one and on the other they tell me not too use missle launchers because kamakaze attacks will soak them all off and then I will be defenseless. I stand by my request that the GM's program a morale check before battle, regardless of Affiliation and I remind everyone that before 1986 when IND & Aff combinations were allowed hulls were the most valuable commodity in the periphery because basically only the GM's had them. It took me two years of cargo runs and exploration pay to save up enough to buy a third ship back then (only two setups in those days). Now I can build a ship a week. The world is a different place, and if we want roleplaying instead of chaos we should support a few GM restrictions on our activities. (Which I would note is different from interference. Restrictions are predictable and constant. Interference is sporadic and arbitary.) These views are my own and do not in any way represent the official opinions of the Samillian Hegemony. Richard A. Loutzenheiser, SAM ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:29:19 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Virus Boy, is my face red! I too, kinda wondered how such a virus might work, but after seeing how some of them work on UNIX, I wouldn't have been surprised. I was just notified by the AF that it was a mistake on their part, that the virus does not exist. I apologize to everyone, and you won't see another post like that from me again. Phil K. Don't feel too bad Phil. When I first heard about it I thought it was real cool and wanted to know how it worked. (sick mind I guess) Well while researching it I found out it was a hoax. I was relieved and dissapointed at the same time. <grin> Joe ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:33:17 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics I stand by my request that the GM's program a morale check before battle, regardless of Affiliation.... if we want roleplaying instead of chaos we should support a few GM restrictions on our activities.... Richard: Actually I agree. A morale check before a suicide mission sounds reasonable to me. I also would not call this GM "interference", I'd call it a rule! BSE is a game, games have rules. I always thought suicide attacks where kind of lame anyway! How many people in the military do you know who would have piloted a plane of Iraq knowing they would get shot down just to see what the air defenses where like? I can't think of a single one. Joe ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:57:24 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE:Kamikaze Attacks Richard, > I and it seems many others have a >problem with the suicidal nature of some of the IND positions. But then I recall the legends of the battle between the QSN and WCE Soul Cage. Where all those Ensign Unnameds met their deaths. It's not just IND positions. >Maybe RTG could >program a morale check as a prerequiste to starting a battle. Some formula >including ratio of attacker to defender hulls plus morale, rank, training, >whether the defender was posted by the attackers aff and racial/affiliation >modifiers. So you spend 40 TU's at a Rec Complex before suicide, get the crew drunk, and boom. Plus, a highport has zero hulls, so it wouldn't trigger a morale check. If you want to change the rule by having the ship compare itself to the colony, I would object that the Ship'sCrew wouldn't know that information. In the real world, sure, they could know that attacking Jax's starport would be suicide, but how do you draw a line between attacking Jax and attacking (what used to be) WCE Anhalu, which could never have hurt a fly? Finally, I always thought that space combat happened so quickly that no one would have a chance to think about it. The Captain hits the FIRE button and it's all over. It's an interesting idea, but I see no way to implement it fairly. This just occured to me: The SAMs would be immune, right? Just tell them it was for the good of the Hive, so the individuals would no longer care about their existence. (That's how it works, isn't it? I'm not fully aware of the details of the SAM profile.) But, in any case, there should be racial differences, i.e., more problems. - --Russ ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:56:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Sender: owner-bse-list@pentagon.io.com On Thu, 20 Apr 1995 PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL wrote: > This is something that is critically important. I know > some of you don't, in general, want to see non-PBM > stuff on these mailing lists, I hope you'll not be too > upset once you see the content. This warning came > directly to me via US Air Force computer security > people, so it's about as valid as it can get. Phil, This is the 2nd time you've posted totally non-germaine material to the BSE List, don't do it again or you will be removed from the list. As for the the Good Times "virus" it's an old hoax that some fool dusted off to use for April Fool's Day. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:07:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE:Kamikaze Attacks On Thu, 20 Apr 1995, Russ Boggs wrote: > This just occured to me: The SAMs would be immune, right? Just tell them > it was for the good of the Hive, so the individuals would no longer care > about their existence. (That's how it works, isn't it? I'm not fully > aware of the details of the SAM profile.) But, in any case, there should > be racial differences, i.e., more problems. Yes, certain races due to their nature would be immune to any restrictions placed on so-called suicide attacks. Kerry ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:17:00 EDT Subject: Re: BSE:Kamakaze Tactics Richard, The scale has changed, too. Did you note the suggestion? "Not more than a few thousand...." He wasn't joking. A smallish side of medium sized colony right now has about 400 factories. That's 10K MU production/week. That's 5K missiles/week. So, they're saying "don't build more than 1,250 MLs if you only have 400 factories". Tactics have changed, and they depend a lot on suicidal positions. Much of it has to do with scale. I might have a decent sized colony, capable of doing a great deal of damage. Problem: I might only have 6 or 7 attacks per round, no matter what my overkill might be. I might be able to, on average, do 15 DN worth of damage/battle round, but I'll still only kill 6 or 7. My enemies saturate my offenses by bringing in a large number of ships (most of which are sucicides, although it doesn't look like it since it's a large group - but he knows I'm going to kill 24-28 ships/week). I can't do damage fast enough, even with my overkill, because of my limited numbers of attacks. So, my ground defenses get wiped and his chaffed MM fleet brings in a few thousand HTs and MEK to capture the colony. What do I do? I answer with suicide positions of my own. "Fire bases", GPs with minimal colony stuffs & a couple space armamants that I form into colonies the moment trouble looks likely. They will get killed, of course, but they can save the colony by splitting enemy fire & allowing the colony more shots. Same thing with parking a couple small warships in the starport. They lift to orbit when trouble starts. They get killed, but the colony is saved. The current situation in BSE is extreme, one where you have to use suicide positions, but generals throughout the ages have been making similar decisions. There are many possible "fixes" that I'd prefer to the current situation, but this is the way it is right now. One problem with this discussion: The subjects get interweaved, even though they don't really overlap. Example: Missile soaking ships aren't likely to be IND - what's the point? You've already broadcast your intent to attack. As to folks randomly making a ship IND to soak one round of missles, who cares? It's lousy roleplaying, but there's no substantial harm done. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:35:22 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Werthless News Heil Hairy! Heil Hairy! Heil Hairy! You need to get better censors for the newsvid coverage Hairy, I saw those swastikas!!!!! ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:54:28 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: SMS comments SMS creature, Our only concern SMS human is the gathering of resorces in our area of gathering and there is no need to fear us. Yes human, we have no spine as you can see our insectiod body is supported by a outer shell. We care little of your relationships as we only have one goal and that is to protect the Hive Queen. JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:01:59 -0700 Subject: BSE: Fe Fi FOE Fum <Disclaimer: The following message is sent as a private citizen, not as a member of any particular affiliation. > >>To: Human EEM thing, >> >> Your feeble brain can not contain a fraction of the data necessary to >>understand current FOE plans. Even our illustrious Priests acknowledge a >>limit to determining future Foelian actions, only Foebeus knows. An >>insignificant beings such as yourself predicting our response to a given >>situation is too absurd to even be humorous. My Dear V'Ril T'Bak, Not my fight really, but the way you define the strategy under which FOE plans are developed and future actions decided ... well the closest thing to it we Qumans have is the mathematical concept of the "drunkard's walk". See .. the drunk stumbles from lampost to tree, clutching wildly at each as he gets there. No one can predict which way he will head, or whether he will complete the next stagger successfully. Everything is random. Eventually of course he simply misses and goes down for the final time. Interesting to watch while it's underway though. Respectfully, Nicholas Van Rijn MerchantPerson ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> Date: 20 Apr 95 19:02:11 EDT Subject: BSE: Last Chance in Jinx? Does anyone know who controls the colony of Last Chance on Jasper in the Jinx-120 system? I need to contact the owner. Also, does anyone know who controls that system and if there's a stargate there? Kevin ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> Date: 20 Apr 95 19:02:07 EDT Subject: BSE: Missile launchers? Scragg, Good points. Thanks. Kevin ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 19:18:51 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Werth Steve M., I believe you are right, in regard to Thad and RTG. This is a very refreshing change. I truly do believe that Fat Boy (cursed be his name!) actually thought he was Jasil, and messed with the game accordingly. I have delayed Werth going WCE until I get your go-ahead. I have posted a formal petition for the change on this board. I hope this fulfills the treaty. Steve D. ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 19:32:20 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: More Werthless Events Dear Nicky, Thank you again for saying how you nice little Qumans want nothing to do with Werth. The people of Werth rejoice at this news. Since the announcement of the Quman boycott, tourism at Werth has boomed! Please, keep up the good work. Regards, Harry ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:23:11 -0700 Subject: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #154 >>From: HarryFlash@aol.com >>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:00:44 -0400 >>Subject: Re: BSE: Werthless News >> >>Dear Nicky Van Rijn, >> Dear Harry, >> Nazis are nasty people who want to steal the land of our people. They cry >>they want peace, when what they really want is a "piece" of this planet and a >>"piece" of that planet. Meanwhile their Minister of Propaganda tells lies >>and lies and lies. No argument so far. Substitute 'country' for planet and you pretty much describe the situation on pre-Galactic Earth. I have a feeling you're about to make some kind of point. >> >> Now who wants to steal systems in the TH? The Qumans! Hmm. Has someone left entire systems lying around in the Transhole that another AFF can just walk in and steal? I think your new masters in the WCE (or the FGZ, or even the Wasp) would have found any such systems a long time ago. >> >> Now who lies about their intentions? The Qumans! As a (recent) member of the Qumans, I have been reading the various postings, and found (admittedly this is not unbiased) that Minister Qutroh has attempted to fairly and completely respond to the various charges leveled against the Qumans .. from their skin color to their sexual proclivities to their secret goals. Based upon what I know of the discussions occuring at the highest levels of Quman councils, there have been no lies presented in this forum. >> >> Who are the new Nazis? The Qumans! >> >> This ends the lesson for today. Hope you learned something. Yes. Your message offered me yet another insight into the "Behind the Looking Glass" world where you spend your time pondering the diplomatic issues of the day. I only hope you don't wrench your neck too badly the first time your new masters tug sharply on the choke chain you just put on. >> >>Regards, >> >>Harry Respectfully, Nicky ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #156 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". To unsubscribe from the bse-digest send the command: unsubscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". 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