BSE Digest v195 #154 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Thursday, 20 April 1995 Volume 195 : Number 154 In this issue: + Re: BSE: ICN vs RIP + RCPT: Re: BSE: Missile launchers as colony defense + Re: BSE:Kamakaze Attacks + Re: BSE: QSN/FGZ Thing + BSE: BSE list + BSE: Werthless News + BSE: Missile launchers? + BSE: cool mail reader + BSE: STGMAP + Re: BSE:Kamakaze Attacks + Re: BSE: STGMap + BSE: Re: Ind/Anon + BSE: Re: BSE IND + BSE: Re: BSE The Poker Game + BSE: Re: BSE AFT Negotiator gets fined + BSE: Re: BSE Spelling? + Re: BSE: Rlo Party + Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... + BSE: Werth Petition + BSE: Werth + BSE: Northcape + Re: BSE: Re: Ind/Anon/Terrorism + Re: BSE:Kamakaze Attacks + Re: BSE: Northcape + Re: BSE: The Poker Game + Re: BSE:Kamakaze Attacks -Reply + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities + Re: BSE: Werthless News See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:16:21 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: ICN vs RIP Steve, I didn't know Fizzies were sentient. Is this true? Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:45:05 +0000 Subject: RCPT: Re: BSE: Missile launchers as colony defense Confirmation of reading: your message - Date: 19 Apr 95 9:43 To: bse-list@io.com Subject: Re: BSE: Missile launchers as colony defense Was read at 11:45, 19 Apr 95. Scragg from the ZONE! BBS 804/474-9635 ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:10:53 EDT Subject: Re: BSE:Kamakaze Attacks Richard, I agree, but why limit it to just combat? If a colony keeps building and crewing ships only to see them fly off and never be seen again (either through military suicide missions, or merely those of "a single use ship" type) why wouldn't they have to pay a penalty? My fundamental point is this: The rules for IND are fine as they stand. Could they be improved? Probably. Is there plenty of in game stuff to do if someone is desperately worried about rogue IND ships? Yep. Do most of the players who seem worried about this remember (or were they even in the game) when so many places in the game (ex., the Interstate) were so dangerous for so many? And yet, here we are. The sky is not, after all, falling. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Brad's Sig. 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File Here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:01:16 +0000 Subject: BSE: BSE list I apologize to all if I've accidently been sending message reciept garbage to the list. I just got a new mail reader and am still learing how to use it. Joe ------------------------------ From: Ron.Kleinman@Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:08:56 -0700 Subject: BSE: Werthless News (Report of election returns on IND Werth) >> "The terror and disinformation tactics of the QSN are beginning to backfire. >> Lord Qutroh is surely not a happy Quman tonight. He now knows how Dr. >> Joseph Goebbels felt in April of 1945." This implies the Qumans are Nazi's (a vile and baseless accusation). But wait, news is arriving from the headquarters of the Werthies new masters .. (Reports of receipt of election returns at WCE Odin's Eye) >> <Chants of "Hail Dread Sovereign!" rise up throughout the room. Feet >> stamp in time with the chants. Treyder lifts two clenched fists to the sky, >> as the Imperial anthem "WCE Uber Alles" blares triumphantly in the >> background. Camera fades as the crowd surges forward....> Once again, and this time perhaps fatally, the witless Werthies have mistaken FOE for friend, and are stumbling with open arms into the very abyss that they hoped to avoid. Sir Harry bears full responsibility for this fiasco, and the people of Werth will soon sow what they have reaped. Somberly, Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Blue Whale MerchantPerson ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 14:22:34 EDT Subject: BSE: Missile launchers? Scragg, Why don't you think missile launchers are good at colony defense? Seems to me they do a lot of damage for the best price. Kevin ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 14:22:37 EDT Subject: BSE: cool mail reader Scragg, All this BSE mail is running my CIS bill up, so I've decided to switch internet providers. Therefore, I'll be needing another mail reader soon. Is Pegasus Mail an IBM program? And where is it available? Does anyone else know of any good Windows mail readers? Kevin ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 14:22:31 EDT Subject: BSE: STGMAP Jason, >>What're the hardware requirments for STGMap? All I got is a '386/16 with 2MB RAM. Can I run it?<< The following is from the STGMAP.TXT file (distributed with the program): - -- -- -- System Requirements STGMap will run on an IBM XT with 512K of memory and a single 3.5" or 5.25" high density disc, it will be very slow and you'll have little space for maps but it will work. Because of the size of the files you cannot run the system on a machine without hard disc and only 5.25" low density discs. It will also run with CGA graphics but EGA or VGA give colour as well and much better looking maps. If you do have a machine with only floppy disc see the section of Unusual configurations for details of how to get it working. Note that CGA is NOT recommended, the resolution is too low, you get no colour and the displays are VERY disappointing. If you look at the files you'll see two files called STGMAP.EXE and STGMAP.OVR, the EXE file is the main executable while the OVR file is an overlay. The system will, attempt to load the overlay file into EXPANDED memory if it's available, this makes for much faster execution, if sufficient memory isn't available the overlays will be loaded from disc when needed. The same applies to STGPrint. The optimum configuration for the system is 400K of expanded memory for overlays, as much free conventional memory as possible if you require large maps and VGA graphics. The faster your processor the faster the programme will run although a fast graphics card will give better results than a fast processor, most of the system is speed dependant on the speed of the graphics card. - -- -- -- Tim Lomas's internet address, for those who want to contact him directly, is: tim@antsnest.demon.co.uk Btw, the Windows version should be available within the next month or so. Kevin ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:21:47 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE:Kamakaze Attacks >I agree, but why limit it to just combat? If a colony keeps building and >crewing ships only to see them fly off and never be seen again (either through >military suicide missions, or merely those of "a single use ship" type) why >wouldn't they have to pay a penalty? PMJI (grin)... I would imagine _some_ sort of incremental morale penalty ought to come into play after a certain amount of time - it could be different for different affils (for example, the Japanese during WW2 tolerated this sort of thing for a fair amount of time - but could you imagine the public outrage if the U.S. had tried using kamikaze planes???) Just my two cents' worth. ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 18:15 WET DST Subject: Re: BSE: STGMap > What're the hardware requirments for STGMap? All I got is a >'386/16 with 2MB RAM. Can I run it? >Jason Goff >11 Avalon way >Riverdale, GA 30274 >404-478-0945 >JGOF4P1@S1.CSC.PEACHNET.EDU > > Not a problem. STGmap will run on a 286 with 640K but it will run a bit slow. It prefers to have >1MB with Expanded Memory for performance. Chip ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 19:56:31 EDT Subject: BSE: Re: Ind/Anon Brad Wrote >>Actually it doesn't matter. If you are going to attack a PERSON for the >>actions of a POSITION you are just as guilty of poor roleplaying as the >>hypothetical folks you are worried about. There are plenty of existing in >>game possibilties to discover who (in the in-game sense), if anyone, is >>"responsible" for the attack. Then again, as in "real life", there are going >>to have to be plenty of minor terrorist attacks that end up being untraceable. >>The acts of a single ship will, in most cases, be of minor consequence. Major >>"IND" actions will undoubtably be very traceable, just as with major acts of >>terrorism in the world today. >>This "problem" is something that's easily handled in-game by anyone with a >>reasonably creative imagination. Let's keep the GMs & game mechanics changes >>out of it. Thank you Brad. I was begining to wonder if there was anyone else out there who thought of this as a roleplaying game. Dave Isaac ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 19:56:40 EDT Subject: BSE: Re: BSE IND Richard Loutzeneiser wrote >>I and it seems many others have a problem with the suicidal nature of some of >>the IND positions. Maybe RTG could program a morale check as a prerequiste >>to starting a battle. Some formula including ratio of attacker to defender >>hulls plus morale, rank, training, whether the defender was posted by the >>attackers aff and racial/affiliation modifiers. If the unit fails the check >>they refuse to attack, possibly even mutiny. This check would not apply to >>the defender. This could be applied universally without anymore GM >>interference and could cut down on the non-Roleplayers use of assets on these >>suicide missions. What do you think? Richard, Now you're talking! Very few crews are going to willingly die to do much of anything. Nobody is going to die just to blow up a hiport. This idea not only has a lot of merit but should absolutly be implemented. Dave ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 19:56:46 EDT Subject: BSE: Re: BSE The Poker Game I knew it!!! All this bickering between you two is just code to take my money! I'm down enough to buy a GTT colony. Quit screwing around and deal, from the top of the deck this time. Where's Whispers anyway? Still sliding down the banister I bet. The only reason we let him in here was so we can get some of that DTR dough and the som'bitch spends the whole night sliding on the stair rail. And there was nothing wrong with that Dogleg deal. It's way to far out in the system to ship to. A few more drinks and I'm sure we can figure a way to move it. Mikel Lloyd ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 19:56:23 EDT Subject: BSE: Re: BSE AFT Negotiator gets fined Speaker, I have no idea what you mean when you refer to "heavy aquisition of assets" so I have little ability to comment on this. I do owe you an appology as I was unaware that our current PD has not met our obligations regarding payments. I can assure you that while I was PD those payments were paid regularly. However given the new TCA policy of exclusion it may seem wise of our current PD to have 'cut our losses'. And please could you clearify for me just what I'm being fined for. It seems to me that the AFT has been banned from DTR space because I expressed our concerns about the enequity of the TCA policy and because I don't have a spell checker. I have personally been fined by the MYR for talking about issues of fair trade which you perceive is an attempted to discredit the TCA. I am personally demanding that every TCA member write 100 times on the blackboard "I will not be a silly bugger" Mikel Lloyd AFT Negotiator (although for how much longer is in question) ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 19 Apr 95 19:56:52 EDT Subject: BSE: Re: BSE Spelling? Shannon Wrote >>David Isaac made the 1st nitpick about spelling which ticked off Carl Olsen because Isaac was essentially complaining about Rob Neal's typing Shannon, What are you talking about? I never said anything, ever, about anybodies spelling. Who cares about spelling for christ sake? Dave ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:23:09 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Rlo Party Dear Rlo, Win, lose or draw, you will always be welcomed at WCE Werth! Regards, Harry ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:44:48 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Flashman Sweeps To V... Steve M. Actually, I didn't know I violated any treaty! When I called RTG to clear it with Thad, he said he saw no problem with it and I just thought that resolved it. Ah, well. I'm sure we can resolve the legal aspect of this problem to our mutual satisifaction of the IMP & WCE.. From you, I welcome private E-Mail (grin) Steve D. ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:16:43 -0400 Subject: BSE: Werth Petition TO: PD von Ludendorf FROM: Harry Flashman Yesterday my colony voted to join the WCE. Under the terms of the WCE/IMP treaty, I am herein formally petitioning the IMP to allow IND Werth to join the WCE. I will be pleased to answer any questions you may have, however questions of compensation, etc. to the IMP should be directed to Horst Treyder. Thank You. ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE: Werth Steve D., My guess is that what Thad was refering to, is that RTG doesn't give a rat's ass one way or another what we the players do. Treaties, and such are left up to us the players to enforce. Steve M. ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE: Northcape > ...the treaty... was voided by the IMP..... Capt. Skragg., Actually, the Treaty was voided by The TCA Minister of the Interior, a certain ZCS Grey prince... the predecessor of the current TCA Minister of the Interior. However, when this troublemaking individual disappeared from sight, the treaty was reinstated by mutual agreement, between the TCA & IMP. You wouldn't happen to remember the name of that ZCS Prince? It slips my mind at the moment. PD von Ludendorf ------------------------------ From: Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@cts.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Re: Ind/Anon/Terrorism Well... I guess we're going to see just how traceable terrorism is. In the real world. ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:55:10 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE:Kamakaze Attacks If a 'check on the crew' of a potential suicide run were to be done; there should include a check of some sort on the captain, perhaps based upon rand. An Admiral may inspire more confidence from the crew and they may overlook the 'suicidal' nature of the mission because "Old Star Admiral Iron Sides has gotten us out of worst than this, we'll be just fine you wait and see"........... Rob ------------------------------ From: "Cap'n Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:58:35 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Northcape Actually, the Treaty was voided by The TCA Minister of the Interior, a certain ZCS Grey prince... the predecessor of the current TCA Minister of the Interior. However, when this troublemaking individual disappeared from sight, the treaty was reinstated by mutual agreement, between the TCA & IMP. You wouldn't happen to remember the name of that ZCS Prince? It slips my mind at the moment. PD von Ludendorf I was that person and the treaty was voided by the IMPs. You have it wrong. ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 23:19:21 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: The Poker Game Don Drunko; I guess you didn't take a look at MY hand - 5 Aces and 3 Eights - my lovely daughter could beat you at poker! If you want you're money back, Don Drunko, you'll have to sit at the table again. BlackJack ------------------------------ From: pkrauskopf@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 23:42:32 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE:Kamakaze Attacks -Reply So what you guys are talking abotu are the ALR checks I mentioned several days ago <g>. If this is implemented, I don't know that much more needs to be. Perhaps some tracking ability, but not too much. After getting blasted by 18,000 nukes, there really shouldn't be much of a chance of finding anything... PK ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:56:33 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities Jack, An excellent point. Surely Richard will post the details of this massive deal with the GTT. Surely (g) Steve D. ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:11:09 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN - FGZ Hostilities Richard, Come on, we went the details of this GTT deal and not "in one form or one". Sounds like another dishonest mole deal to me. I hope I'm not being too harsh! Regards, Steve D. ------------------------------ From: HarryFlash@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:00:44 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Werthless News Dear Nicky Van Rijn, Nazis are nasty people who want to steal the land of our people. They cry they want peace, when what they really want is a "piece" of this planet and a "piece" of that planet. Meanwhile their Minister of Propaganda tells lies and lies and lies. Now who wants to steal systems in the TH? The Qumans! Now who lies about their intentions? The Qumans! Who are the new Nazis? The Qumans! This ends the lesson for today. Hope you learned something. Regards, Harry ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #154 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". To unsubscribe from the bse-digest send the command: unsubscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". 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